VBB...My husband and I have also been married before. While we don't always agree with our ex's...we, and they, have always put our children's best interest ahead of our own and especially in front of the kids...we get along and it has made life so much easier and better for our kids. We have 8 children and together we do not have any of "our" own...when we married our youngest 2 were in Kinder and the oldest 2 in 7th grade. They are all grown now and all but 2 have beautiful children of their own. We put our family before all else and while no parent is perfect and always makes the right decisions, we have raised a family that is very tight knit. Our kids are closer to this side of their family, maybe because it is so big and loud and fun...but after the first 4 graduated and went off to college, and got married...these 4 decided that they wanted to set aside one week a year for family vacation so we could all spend time together...so we do. As for down-talking their other parent to them...no way. I know we didn't do everything right...but none are divorced, none into drugs or crime, all gainfully employed and those who have kids...are involved parents who are passing on that deep appreciation for family, so we consider whatever we did do must have been enough because that is what we are seeing in them. You see when we married we made a family that contained no "your's, mine, or steps" each of them were "ours" and they also were raised knowing that they had 4 parents...not just 2 who loved them and supported them. We feel so very blessed to have been able to take 2 families and developed it into one that is so close and enjoy each others company. So I guess even though we weren't perfect...we did the things that we should have somewhere along the line. Good parenting is a long, weary, thankless job, but I think the key is to always put your childens best interest first and foremost.

One thing I learned as a young mother in a tumultuous relationship was not to let my child witness the atrocities associated with it. I didn't want her scared or to think it was normal. I found a way out. Once out, I never talked about it, I had no contact with him at all. Anything that I needed to relay to him I did through his mother. She was a wonderful go between. He had supervised visitation only at his mothers house. It worked out well for all of us. I never talked ugly about him, I never disclosed what he did to me & her. She didn't need to know as it was history. She did eventually find out when she was a teen and old enough to understand & deal with it. Even though we left when she was a year old & she has no memories of it, she does have emotional scars, abandonment issues, trust issues & she's overly protective of me. Guess I couldn't protect her from all of it. Just think how it affects these kids that are old enough to understand what's going on & how it affects them & those they love, trust & rely on to protect them.

Thanks VBB I am glad to see someone understands what I am trying to say. I know that I can get a bit mouthy now and again and in all honesty sometimes I like having a place to vent my frustrations with things that I feel need attention but that take more than one or two to make a change. I have spent my life investing whatever I could to further and better the lives of children. There are some wonderful parents out there and there are some fantastic kids as well...and I have known many, many, parents who are doing a great job and the best they can at raising stable, thoughtful, well balanced, members of our future generations...but when we are constantly bombarded with preventable tragedies...some just tend to over-shadow all that is good. The children of today will one day hold our futures and lives in their hands...what can we expect from what we have raised. Children are innocent and have to learn and be lead by example to grow into being the best they can be for themselves, and all those around them, but for so many of them...they are just stuck and powerless to do anything about it.   If we continue to make excuses and close our eyes to "others" problems...one day it will more likely than not become our problem first hand. I am sure that this was a typical domestic dispute that happens on a regular basis...only this time someone who, may or may not have been personally involved got hurt...it was not handled correctly and the kids got to witness how not to act...and more likely than not it wasn't their first time either. I hope the sister has a speedy recovery and that everyone responsible will be honest with themselves and change what they are teaching these children...that would be the best Christmas gift of all.

ok, i agree with the part about treating people better ect, but once again, i dont see why stories like these make the frontpage. it should have been stuck in another section. and once more, why are we arguing about this? lets just all agree tht this incident was the result of the stupitity of two idiot parents and leave it at that. there's no reason to drag this out.

Very nicely stated OCL...if I may add 1 thing to your post......then we wonder why kids today are soooo screwed up. It's because they witness things like this, their parents are killing people over toys & TVs & papers that I'm sure could have been replaced. We, society, has put "stuff" over substance. We put our wants over needs. We put having fun over being responsible. We live in the moment without thinking about the future. We freely take risks without even thinking about the consequences. Then we find out we don't know how to deal with & or cope with reality. If parents don't know how to behave, how do we expect kids to learn, there's no one to teach them.

Podunk...perhaps you believe that the stork brings babies down to earth or something...but that is neither here or there...your first remark was aimed at my statement that these parents should grow up and act in a civil and responsible manner...that is why kid have parents...and don't just survive on their own. If you have some different thoughts about that then perhaps you are part of the problem. Wondering...I don't live in victoria so I don't want a scanner but thanks anyway..you think deeper? Please...talk about putting ideas into the story that weren't there.

I agree that my name fits suits me...that is why I picked it. You see this story is just one more in a long list of BS that flood our news media on a daily basis. Employee killed, and others sent to hospitals because "shoppers" stampeeded the Walmart and broke down the doors to save $50 bucks on a much needed TV...two shoppers dead after shooting in a Toys-R-Us after altercation over a toy...8 year old boy arrested for shooting murder of his father & friend...which since Grandmother admits that there was abuse of this boy by the father...mother is arrested after her mother turns her in over smell coming from her car in the case of her missing granddaughter who still hasn't been found only now Grandmother is back-paddling...I guess because her worthless daughter is worth more than her 2 year old granddaughter...local girl is found dead after her and her siblings had been starved by adopted parents. Also making headlines this year...cheerleaders You Tube beating up one of their own, followed by several other such videos...17 teens pregnant(on purpose)at one school...local news another dead teenager found on remote road in Victoria County...and on and on and on...
You see two young parents who, although it doesn't say for sure, most likely both became parents while still in school, get in a fight in front of their kids, out in the street, and work it into such a heated battle that now someone who was only guilty of being related to them is fighting to live in a hospital. Wonder if the kids saw that happen and if so what kind of mental distress is that going to give them to have to deal with?

Crabby...yes...when are we going to say enough is enough instead of making excuses, having the "pack mentality" of being a part of but not the actual cause of some crime by shifting the responsibility and not accepting any of the guilt, or like so many "good" people do...believe that as long as our kids aren't involved then we are immune from things like this...it is none of my business...and of course..."we should care why?" Let's just all close our eyes, our ears, our minds, and our hearts and just play like everything is rosey....and continue to let stupid and senseless things like this happen to "other people" and it will be ok....after all I am sure that is what many of those parents of Virginia Tech students did...as well as those who had kids attending Columbine High School. As for me...it is ridiculious that people don't know how to be civil and to act and treat others...and if they don't like what I have to say about it. TOOOOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAADDDD!

this is frontpage news and we're supposed to care because why?

It's Christmas Time and we all have something to be thankful for. It's ironic how someone else's tragedy or situation makes all the bloggers strike at each other. Lord forbid we were all snakes, because no one would last long.

The whole situation is a tragedy and let's pray for all those involved, especially the kids.

onecrabbylady
yes my name suits me fine, I always dig deeper then the surface to get facts.
Yes maybe the driver was upset, and most don't think in that situation. I didn't say not to blame the driver, I just said the driver might of been upset. I wasn't the driver.And to your hmmmmmmm, I have a police scanner I listen to, and I heard it as it was happening, maybe you need one.
And the discussing part I was sending a message to the mom, to please not get the children in the middle of it all. Yes they argued, but people can change that also.
Your name truly suits you, you sound like you are always mad at the world.
My Thoughts

ocl- what u smoking now? choke. You cant do physco-analysis on everyone baby. If you do your behavioral training was in effective. imo.

Janie works at a nursing home.Just wanted to verify that for some of you that seem to know it  ALL.
OCL,slow down..Gzz

Now I will be the first to admit that the Advocate, or any paper for that matter, doesn't always get a story right...but then again before someone posts a comment perhaps they should actually read what they are commenting on. Armywife...I don't believe that anyone on this thread is judging the poor sister who got run over, but one thing for sure is that if her sister and her ex hadn't been fighting in the first place...this lady would still be walking around today...clearly there is some fault here. Also I haven't read into any post here that reflects unconcern for the injuries that this woman sustained...if you go back and re-read the story you will find that it lists her injuries...and they are serious.
Wondering...your name suits you..."maybe the driver was upset?"...ya think? "Don't blame anyone?"...even if the driver wasn't the ex...this person hit another person...if you're that upset...don't operate a vehicle until you settle down. Why shouldn't this person accept some of the responsibility of this injured woman? Go back and re-read my posts again...what should have been done was someone should have handled the entire situation from the get go correctly by calling the police to get any belongings needed and keep things under control. Interesting that you said "ran over her again" because the story mentioned nothing about that...hhhhmmmmmm....but the one thing I found sadly ironic about your post was your statement "this doesn't need to be discussed in front of the kids?"...seems like mommy and daddy were the ones responsible for that one...so unless they read the Advocate...I am pretty sure what is said here is out of their ear shot. This was totally preventable and that is what is so sad.

Complain,Complain,Complain..Read a different paper if you don't like the VA.Let the woman grieve rather it's on the front page of the paper or on the last page of the newspaper.Who gives a crap at a time like this!

Did we really need to see this young woman's anguish splayed across the front page of the newspaper? And what's with the BIG BOLD headlines recently? The Advocate is starting to look more and more like one of those weekly rags you can buy at the check-out counter of the grocery store.

TommyHawk: Your feelings are understandable. The seemingly irrational acts of certain members of our society leave us all somewhat shocked and in disbelief. If you believe some posters, there are holes in the story that have not/will not be revealed.

Or it could be another crappy stupid act in a series of ignorant events in a persons life.

The whole story has not been told yet. Whom ever ran over her, might of been so upset, that they accidently ran over her, and thinking they needed to get the car/truck off of her, ran over her again.
I know how it gets when a man don't want you to have certain things in a bad relationship. My first marriage was hell, and I did have help getting out.
But, don't judge until we know the whole truth. And I bet we never will know.
Divorce is a evil thing, it destorys lives, mainly the children.
So I will keep this family in my prayers. Cause, they are going to need it.
For the children's sake, nothing needs to be disusted around them. They are going to need a lot of loving.
To the sister, I pray God heals her quickly. And that her love for her sister getting the divorce will always stay the same. The sisters will need each other. I pray the family don't blame anyone. Just get through it all. And love each other.
Keep your spirits high, life is hard, but, we all make it somehow.
My Thoughts

what a sense-less act. My prayers go out to the family.

Every one readin this don't know the whole story. You all just know what u read in the paper. The paper don't know everything just what you tell them. I understand the part about the kids but you all don't know how hurt the woman is. Do you all even care? You all have to think for a minute if that was your brother or sister would you do to help them & what are you willing to do for them? Exactly anything & everything. That is just what this lady was doing. So you can't judge or say anything more.

The thing that I still don't understand is this...if this had been my sister...in my front yard...or hers...and I was witnessing her husband, boyfriend, ex-whatever, or babies daddy involved in a domestic altercation in front of their kids, my kids, any kids and I believed her or the kids to be in danger....my FIRST move would be to dial 911 on that cell phone that you know everyone there had. What was it that kept anyone from calling the police to begin with?

Babs57...I agree with you 100%...we have missed the boat somewhere with our children when they put little to no thought to having children and what responsibilities go along with those decisions and choices...no matter if you are married or seperated or divorced...you have a common bond for life with the other person who is a parent to your children, and the way you get along or deal with each other directly effects your children.  Podunk...since I have 10 children of my own and the same number of grandchildren...I speak from experience as a parent, and as someone who has spent over 30 years working with children as a teacher and in many youth organizations. Your religious convictions or lack there of...is your choice...and as to where you believe children come from again is your own choice as well...I believe that mine were given to me through a mixture of biology and God the giver of all life....I don't intend to debate the subject of religion or God's existance vs. your opinions on my beliefs in the same....this story and this thread are about irresponsible parents making poor choices and thereby setting bad examples for their children to the point that another family member is now fighting for their life because of their actions. If you don't understand that then I hope you don't have any kids yourself and podunk must define your mind instead of the place you live.

It is such a shame that grown people have to act like little children. How can anyone acting like this show an example to their children. Shame on the father for keeping things that involves his own children. I have never understood such stupidity...I to have been divorced but I never did anything such as this as I did not want to make any mistake which would come back to haunt me when my children grew up. Divorcing parents need to think of the children they have between them when they are separating and dividing up the household. There will always be a contract between them even as divorced parents as long as they have children growing up. So grow up and act like adults when you separate. Show children a good example of how a REAL parent. Then there would not be any accidents, killings, etc. Such a shame, esp. if this woman is crippled or dies as a result of such childish behavior between adults. So sad for everyone, but esp. the children who are innocent victims in a case such as this.

Ditto...Working Mom.

I assume everyone involved is not employed as this happened around 1 PM. Maybe if they were at work like the rest of us this won't have happened.

I totally agree with you. Had the police been called to begin with maybe none of this would have happended. Wonder why no one wanted to call the cops??

Ok, after rereading, I've concluded someone else was driving the car the baby daddy was is.

Very important lesson to be learned from this....never involve oneself in other peoples domestic disputes, if intervention is required, call the police. Most 3rd party interventionists wind up getting hurt/killed.
Everyone involved in this should be ashamed.

VBB...good question...but the story said no one had been arrested yet...so my question is...if this guy was over at her house...and the car he was in, even if not driving, was the one that hit the sister.. why aren't these two "winners" in custody? For the least of charges intent to harm or kill with a vehicle? What avoidable nonsense and tragedy this all is.

If he was in the passenger seat how did he run the sister over?

My thoughts & prayers are with her & her family.

Also before I get all the angry posts of who started what or who's fault it was....

Save your time and energy...you can't stop someone from acting like an ass....but you CAN control what you say and do in return...

It is both of these parents faults...GROW UP AND BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARENTS GOD INTENDED FOR YOU TO BE WHEN HE BLESSED YOU WITH THESE CHILDREN...be the parents together or apart that these kids deserve to have.

Well here we are..Christmas time...and two irresponsible parents are setting a good example for their kids and apparently the rest of their neighborhood...by fighting and acting like uncivilized "adults". So besides the lesson they gave by example to their children of "Civilized people never act like this"...another family member is laying in a hospital bed fighting for her life all because these two haven't grown up. I would like to think that these two are really proud of themselves now and have at least some feelings of regreat...but by reading the story and taking into consideration the actions they have displayed so far....somehow I doubt they do or that even at the least they learned anything from it. To the sister and her family my heart goes out to you...to the kids of these two "parents".... I am so sorry for you having parents who act like this... remember...you don't have to grow up to act like your parents do...you can rise above it all and change your life one day.

you are right Kenna. This is very sad for the kids to see their parents fighting like this!!! Now their aunt is fighting for her life.