J who is full of hatred.. because I disagree with you. You say that my opinion is of no importance, but do you think i care that you are a bleeding heart liberal. Well i sure dont. Take your "post turtle" and run son.

J "wisdom to accept things ?" Things i dont agree with? Look farther down and see what i posted. Thats what I think!!

Mike, I believe you will support the fact that nuclear power and nuclear weapons are not one and the same. However, few countries with nuclear power have not added nuclear weapons.

The issue of religious faith to guide our foreign policy can be a double-edged sword. To ignore genocide where ever it occurs is morally wrong IMO, regardless of ones faith. At the same time to use faith and force to suppress, rape, disfigure, enslave, or kill IMO is morally wrong also. IMO extremist are very dangerous.

exresident, it is true many citizens across the world would love to destroy all Muslims. But I believe very few if any country advocates the destruction of all-Muslim and teach their youth and citizens to dedicate their lives to killing Muslim.
I am a warrior, I realize in any fight or war there are no winners; just degrees of lost. It is true I believe not a single drop of American blood is worth involvement in the Middle East, and when logic will not work force will. I would rather kill ever soul in any country that is our enemy or shelters our enemies, than to lose a single drop of American blood. If you believe this a “bloodlust” philosophy, so be it.

And that my friends, was the major reason for the conflict as we now know it.

After considerable debate, the United Nations General Assembly decided on partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be an internationalized city. The plan enjoyed the warm support of the Soviet Union and its Eastern European satellite governments. Josef Stalin hoped that the new Jewish state would be a bulwark against British imperialism. Owing to the support of President Truman, and despite State Department advice and Department of Defense pressure, the United States likewise supported the partition plan, and ensured its passage.

Meeting in Lake Success N.Y. November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved the partition plan, with 33 votes in favor, 13 against.

http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm

actually bonkers said was right and so is salazaa...

After WWII the newly formed United Nations felt sorry for the Jewish people because of the Holocaust, so in there great wisdom they decided to displace tens of thousands of Palestinians to appease the Jewish community and to give them a "homeland".

The more European Jewish survivors of the Holocaust that moved to there "new country" or "homeland", the more Palestinians had to move off of land that they had lived on for years.

Of course they are pissed, who wouldn't be? Some group of people that are thousands of miles away, decide without asking your opinion, that you have to leave your house, your farm, your very way of life, because the group decides that would be best.

Then to add insult to injure, after you have moved, built a new house, you are told you have to move again because of the influx of even newer people that want to live in Israel, and they need the land, so sorry move further away from the land your family owned generations ago.

Then you even have to go thru checkpoints to buy basic necessities of life or to visit what used to by your own land.
And the American Indians thought they had it bad.

Nope, there isn’t anything any American President can do.
Not if Washington D.C. remains an Israeli Occupied Territory.

I for one do not want a president to use his messianic faith ;to guide our foreign policy…We do not want a “Onward Christian soldiers” to be part of our foreign policy.

The United States is not a Christian nation; it is a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims and non-believers.

Show me a creditable reference where Obama supports Iran having a nuclear weapon. Neither the nation nor the military would support that.

Israel needs to be reined in from time to time..Every administration has said that.

How shallow and prejudice to use one’s birth middle name to try and denigrate the president…It is people like Alton, that prevented the president from using his middle name in the election…this is 2009 not 1959.

Alton but remember he is safe .... hes not a citizen ...

I do not believe just because President Obama has moved away from Christianity, embraced his middle name Hussein, embraced his Muslim ancestry and teachings, called the United States a non-Christian country, openly praised Muslim countries and individuals of the Muslim faith, openly supports Iran's right to be a nuclear powere, openly criticized to Muslim countries the actions of prior Presidents, and openly criticized Israel he is still considered an infidel in many Middle East countries. And many Muslim nations will still desire to kill all the citizens of the United States and Israel.

Throughout history every traumatic event has spun a conspiracy theory.

It took me about 6 months to read and reread the 9/11 Commission Report and lot of the conspricay theories are mentioned but they are discredited.

Shallow is subjective.

Funny, and the reason I really hate politics.

When the regions oil is no longer as important, as it is today; what will they do?

Allow me to elaborate, “a new renaissance” that will focus on building the intellectual infrastructure needed for the future. Every region in the world will need to this to be of any real significance towards the end of this century, some more than others.

Frankly, I really do not care except to fell sympathy for the innocent lives that will suffer out of pride or ignorance.

Like I said they have much more to lose if they fail to act under this President to reinvent their homeland. If Middle East leaders fail to mobilize their people towards a “new” educational enlightenment it will only be their people that suffer. If Islamic extremist aggravate the situation further, America may embrace isolationism again under a less favorable President.

Personally I’m for “isolationism” and “population control”. My opinion on globalism is what Benjamin Franklin said about good fences make good neighbors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_con...

Is this better for you Mike? Please tell me you are not that shallow...

And I thought the era of black helicopters and a commie behind every fence was over.

Patriotsaints.com...lol

I did not ask you to change Mike. I was stating that I too can believe what I want. You do not have to agree with my opinion as I do not have to agree with yours.

exresident - Google works both ways.

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911...

Anyone can say they don't have a bias but they do have a comment history; that is availabe for all to see....Might as well and admit your bias.

Hictoria
Why should I change?

Medieval Islamic Civilization - that says it all. I will stand by my opinion. Just as Mike will stand by his bias of being a democrat.

Exresident
In Tom Friedman’s book (Hot, Flat and Crowded) he said we just used the Middle-east for a filling station while the Saudis were sponsoring the Madrassas’s schools in plain sight..Just a little of the royalties to help them start up alternative schools; might have gone a long way.

Yes Overthrow of Premier Mosaddeq of Iran has a lot to do with the hostility and mistrust Iran has toward us.

Mike - if you want to get technical. I do not believe any of those countries had anything to to with it. I still believe it was our own government working with the Saudi's. I am referring to 9/11. As far as those countries being civil...Like I said they were never civil.

Hictoria
In case you missed it, even Dick Cheney is now admitting that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11….Iran did not have anything to do with 9/11….al Qaeda types are Sunni Arabs..Iraq(although Muslim) was pretty much secular at the time of the invasion and Iran is made of Shiites Muslims.

When we invaded Iraq without an exit plan it left the lone deterrent to Iran, in disarray...Hence a hornets nest.

John..."They could use sun power to create a monorail system between each country’s higher learning centers, bringing about an “Islamic Renaissance”."

Higher learning centers? Is that where they would graduate from the 12th to perhaps the 17th century? Create Hi-Tech transportation systems -- rubber tires on the donky-carts.

Mike - "Iraq and Iran have always been civilized countries ;it was when we stirred up hornets’ nest that the situation escalated…..Iran helped with the initial invasion of Afghanistan and will probably play a big part in the Afghanistan/Pakistan situation, if we can ever start the negotiations."

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Civilized? Since when did we stir up any nest? I am pretty sure those countries were not civilized even before Desert Storm. Those folks over there do not care about "physical" life on this earth. They believe in Allah and will do anything to meet him.

They expect to find 72 virgins waiting for them. However, Allah never said they would be female virgins!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama was just creating a new foundation for “American-Middle East relations”. It’s all politics with a dash of common sense.

“I hate politics, it’s all blah, blah, blah” – John

He did touch on the key to Middle East peace, education. The biggest problem in the in the Middle East is culture. I’m not talking about in general so don’t get me started. Like all cultures there is a hierarchy, mobility is dictated from the top down. Those at the top in the Middle East know that their power is derived from oil; which is finite. As much as they have they do not want to share, nor do they feel they should.

Traditionally, religion has been a wonderful tool to keep people’s minds busy blaming their problems on other things instead of their rulers; in America this is accomplished through drugs quite successfully.

If you have an enlighten population, their chances of being aware of the real reasons they are disenfranchised, increases. Once this happens their rulers are left with two choices, open hard oppression or work to create opportunity. I really do not see an alternative for Middle East rulers unless their heirs are foolish to believe that oil will be of any real significance after the middle part of this century. Their time is running out, and no amount of money is going to rescue them from the hatred of their people for failure to take bold action. It’s kind of like the last one at the buffet pays the check, I feel sorry for the heirs to the kingdom when this happens.

It may appear that President Obama is attempting to appease Middle East Muslims for our interest only, but in truth they have much, much more to lose. If they screw this up, they may not find a more accommodating United States President again.

The worst thing that could happen to them may happen within the next 30 years. America having no further economic interest in the region, we deport millions of Muslims because of ongoing terrorist attacks, and become isolationist again; and they are ill prepared to deal with being insignificant.

Education and innovation will be key to their survival once we no longer need to be involved in the Middle East; from my view he is just trying to throw them a bone and they should be very appreciative.

I wonder If Muslims will take this opportunity to make the Middle East, “The worlds cradle of Higher Learning”; so that they would remain of some worldly significance, once oil is not as important. They could use sun power to create a monorail system between each country’s higher learning centers, bringing about an “Islamic Renaissance”.

The Middle East, “The worlds Cradle of Higher Learning”, I’m sure they don’t want that. I think it is time for a beer and a visit to my harem, I wish.

archie, the jews DID go back to where they are from.

Pilot
I disagree with your scenario because the U. S. will never give Israel the codes to fly over Iraqi air space and the bunker busters necessary to complete the mission. The Bush administration did not allow them their request because of the probable blow-back to our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iraq and Iran have always been civilized countries ;it was when we stirred up hornets’ nest that the situation escalated…..Iran helped with the initial invasion of Afghanistan and will probably play a big part in the Afghanistan/Pakistan situation, if we can ever start the negotiations.

I agree no one will ever attack us but one little dirty bomb will do a lot of damage.

I am not a Middle-East expert but I do know that we have about 150,000 troops in Iraq and another 40,000 + in Afghanistan not counting the embassy workers and private contractors, so we better hope that never happens.

Pilot..."Does anyone disagree with me on this scenario?"

I think you have a very firm grasp of the situation.

"I wouldn't count on a bunch of desert rat Islamists who regard all non Muslims as infidels, to even have as much as a safety on the trigger of their of their nuclear weaponry."

Careful, Pilot. You'll end up branded as a hater like someone else we all know and love. But since you mentioned it, I agree completely. They certainly seem to have no respect for life, much less love of life, for anyone -- even themselves. But, then, I'd expect nothing less from people who will send their children out dressed in C-4 vests to blow up themselves and as many other innocent people as they can find.

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Hicktoria my apology but your comment was not posted yet when I started reading this blog from start to finish

it's all caused by the jews they should've stayed in europe or wherever they came from! the arabs wouldn't be trying to get palestine back! aren't the palestinians deserving of their own country?

How is my comment not on topic grifter?

J here is what i think about your Obama..

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President. The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a "post turtle." Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a "post turtle" was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a "post turtle". The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb "***" put him up there."

WOW not one comment on topic... not even this one

Obama's speech will not build bridges with the Muslims. Those people have been fighting ever since the beginning of time. Obama is not the messiah who will save us all and bring peace around the world. Obama is just like the rest of the presidents before him. A puppet on a string begging for oil...

Big J

You'll have to explain that one, I'm a little slow.

Mike

All people have a choice about what to believe and what not to believe. That's part of the plan.

BIG J

I don't think the muslims put a lot of stock in Psalms.

That makes a lot of sense… A Christian solution to a Jew/Muslim problem.

Sounds like” End time prophecy” brought to you by Rev. John Hagee.

You can talk peace propaganda between Israel and the muslim world all you want. Ain't gonna happen until the "big bad boy" himself comes to power. Then it will only last for a while. Problems will start up again, then it will be over in the blink of an eye.

Israel needs no help. It will survive and so will all those who who have them as an ally.

BigJ
If we didn’t have to rely on for foreign oil, then we wouldn’t be as interested in a peaceful resolution. It is in our own interest.

A draft would be political suicide for anyone who would suggest that idea. Charlie Rangel put his draft proposal to a vote. It got two votes and Charlie Rangel was not one of them. I would see like to see a draft, because less than 1% of the population has a direct connection to the wars we are involved in. This is a reason for the numerous tours…. Then again we never get to pick a justified war and, because that’s left up to Congress and the president.

Bigj
We are about 5500 miles away from a situation, so I don’t believe our input matters. Israel and Palestine will have to live with their agreement and we really don’t understand the day to day problems. Saudi Arabia and Jordan can be honest brokers for the Palestinians.

Your solution did not mention the 10,000 or so Settlers, which will have to move. Prime Minister Binejamin Netanyahu is not in favor of two state solution and he wants to include a solution to the Iran threat. He is a hard man to bargain with.

A speech without works means very little.

A resolution to the Israel- Palestine situation is key to some sort of civility in the Middle East.

President Clinton came close to solving this issue, but like all the other administrations, they failed. The Obama Administration will try a different approach.

For many years ,we have let Israel dictate and the terms of the resolution. Israel trusts Jordan and Saudi Arabia, so this administration will try to use that trust to broker a two state settlement. That is the reason for this foreign trip, if successful; a peaceful resolution will be possible. The administration has a two year window.

J..."
I have done some research I never see anyone goes by the name of Nobama"

Well, gee, I guess it was typo.

"Don’t worry Waywardwind. I saved some of your ignorant comments on Microsoft works file including the one you made recently about Cheney, a shotgun and Obama."

Okay...I'm impressed that you saved that stuff. I'm touched that you went to the trouble. Remember, though, that I didn't make a comment about "Cheney, a shotgun and Obama." I suggested that in the spirit of bi-partisanship, it would be a good idea for the sitting president and the former vice-president to go together on a hunting trip. You know, some of that male bonding stuff. They would get to know each other better away from the political arena and it might lead to better understanding between the right and left. I was going to suggest that it might be a learning experience for BO because I figured that he'd probably never held, much less fired a shotgun, rifle or handgun. Then, however, I remembered that he went to a muslim school for some time, didn't he? So, I figured that he had probably been given quite a lot of firearms training as a child.

"Obama isn’t that difficult to misspell."

Well, J, I guess you'd be the one to know. YOU are the Victoria Advocate Web Site champion for misspelling and using the wrong words.

Finally, J, I was wondering if that idiot basketball player would EVER get back into your rants. It gives me a warm feeling that he's back.

Well, Pilot...I didn't say 10. I said foxy. She's a good lookin' woman -- I'd giver her about a 7 to 7.5 -- but that's just my opinion.

J..."Second who is NOBAMA."

Well, J, nobama is the SOM who is living in the White House. He's the SOM who bows to muslim kings. He's the SOM who goes out of his way to alienate the only friend the US has in the middle east -- Israel. He's the SOM who is running this country headlong into inflation by printing and spending money faster than any president in the history of the country. He's the SOM who has never done anything on his own -- except marry a foxy lawyer -- but thinks that he knows better than anyone how to run automobile manuracturers. He's the SOM who wears the mantle of President of what's left of the United States. THAT'S who nobama is. There are 1328 days left in his term. You can help me count them down.

cool that was my point.. Obama is going to kill us and put our kids in poverty ...

President Obama is cozying up to the Arabs for oil, folks, plain and simple. The rulings to stop new drilling and explore alternate energy will once again make us pawns in the oil wars. Just as Bush did, Obama is begging for oil for the USA. Our neediest times of the year are the summer in the south and the winters in the north. His reference recently, that America with its 3M Muslims, is one of the largest Muslim nations really made me mad. If we can't be a Christian nation, then darn if I want us referenced as a Muslim nation. This President will be the downfall of our America as we know it.

The way I see it, middle eastern people have been killing each other for thousands of years and still haven't stopped. Why is the United State even getting involved with them?

Maybe, he is trying to find someone to purchase our government bonds. After China laughed at our Sec. of Treasury telling them our bonds were a good investment, I don't see them increasing their financial exposure in USA bonds.

I finally figured out why Obama called the killing of Paul Tiller "despicable" but has failed to make a widely publicized comment about the murder of Marine Private William Long at a recruiting office, which was also a despicable act!

Obama is on his way to the Arabia to "make nice" with the Muslim world, so he passed up the opportunity to mention that Long's killer, , Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, is a Muslim convert, anti-military and an anti-American terrorist.

See my latest blog post "Climate of hate, world of double standards"

Hey, sixgun - try reading my profile. You misunderstand - I am a conservative Republican. I wasn't referencing you; rather, I was referencing those of whom you asked the question, "How much can you dump on your children before you see it..". So, please, calm down. I DIDN'T vote for him, nor would I ever. Stay on these forums for a while, and you will see who is who, and who believes in what......I am on YOUR side.

This is the greatest country in the world.. We BOW to on one .. You tell me then why nobama bows to the king of Saudi???? Then I'll tell you why this is a bunch of Sh!t..

Sugar

See WHAT? Not another Bleeding heart liberal .....

sixgun - there are none who are so blind as those who REFUSE to see.

NOBAMA is going to kill us..... How much can you dump on your children before you see it..