Itisi, you cannot discern between "your" and "you're," "moral," and "morale," yet want to accuse me of smoking something?

It would be funny if it weren't so sad. :(

Exresident, PS, about #5 all BS. FYI, it’s all about the high THC content so please do not blow you’re SMOKE my way, because it is nothing more than a smoke screen…

"For the kids" is no excuse for you or law enforcement to ignore the law. That you think it is just speaks to the fact that everyone should be thankful for your antiquated and harmful methods of enforcing your false-sense of moral superiority going the way of the dinosaur.

Also, it will be clear to any who read this thread that you are the one with the "beef," so your attempt to throw that on me is in vain.

End of discussion really, unless you're ready to get to work on #5...

Knowledge never hurts Itisi (once you get past the initial shock).

Enjoy your afternoon.

Exresident, I don’t know what you’re beef is, although I do feel you’re knowledge is some what limited in the area elicit narcotics. I don’t think you know the entire chemical make-up of Marijuana, namely the high THC content and depending on where this product is grown. Example Mexican MJ has a lower THC content than what is grown in the Northwest U.S. or possible in Europe etc....

My methods, what ever you mean by that I don’t know… I will tell you this ole buddy, if MJ was legalized, you tell me how you’re going to explain it to the kids. When there is a major objective to educate kids not to use or do drugs in this country or have you failed to look at the signs around the local schools in the area. You continue to leave out the morale equation of right and wrong. Why is that????? I don’t care what you say you cannot justify the legalization of MJ.

Itisi,

Your post is indicative of a failure to complete #5 in the list below. Failure to do so will result in your continued appearance as an uninformed blowhard. You do it to yourself.

(note: this is not an attack on you, but rather your methods.)

Good luck with that,
Exresident

I agree that it should be legalized. Alcohol is legal and a far more serious and dangerous drug. If you habitually drink alcohol, your body can become physically dependent on it and once you stop, you can go into what's called Delirium Tremens and actually died from the withdrawal process. Many hardcore alcoholics have to be weaned off alcohol in a hospital setting with the use of drugs just to get their bodies back on track. Not to mention what it does to your liver. Last time I checked, there is no such thing as a physical dependency on marijuana. The addiction, if there is any, is purely mental. There are no "marijuana withdrawal" drugs. It also doesn't make you hallucinate like other hardcore drugs. I fail to see what's so dangerous about a person laughing a lot and having the munchies. As opposed to someone drinking and getting violent (which happens A LOT).

We all know the only reason it's not legal is because the government can't figure out how to tax it and make a profit. The government has always hated what it can't control.

I don't smoke or drink, but if I had a choice between dealing with drunks or pot smokers, I'd take the stoners any day. At least they laugh and act funny.

Making it legal would also eliminate a lot of crime, as people would no longer need to go to drug dealers to get it. You take away a large portion of their customer base, you take away a lot of their power. This makes total sense to me. Why go buy your pot from some shady people when you can purchase it legally in a shop? The drug dealers would still have the market cornered on hardcore stuff like cocaine and ecstasy, but not everyone has tried those or wants to.

Besides, it's not like everyone hasn't tried it at least once, or uses it currently anyway. This is Victoria--do you even know how many people smoke pot here? Get out of the house and meet a few people--they'd have to arrest half the entire town. It goes on anyway, why not make it legal and be done with it. Pot is extremely easy to score, it's ridiculous.

Legalization would also cut down on all the pointless arrests and criminal charges. I don't care if someone is high or not, I'd like my law enforcement to go catch some real criminals or solve an actual crime. Stoners aren't high on my list of things to be concerned about.

Sorry exresident, I want go there with you. You’re too for imbedded in the culture and ideology. So there for logic, sound reason and better judgment along with the concept of right various wrong does not apply in you’re aerations of morale convictions. You’re message to kids it is morally wrong. I don’t care how you look at the issue as it stands you’re trying to find some morale reasoning for the use of elicit narcotics. I will give you an A for trying.

It has been interesting to read you’re point of view, which I totally disagree with.

Good luck on you’re quest…

Itisi,

1) I'm not sending any message to "the kids," in fact if anything my message is exactly the opposite. In case you've forgotten my post from earlier in this thread, I will repost it here.

"As an aside, before itisi pulls another, 'you must be smoking something' straw grasp, let it be known that I neither condone the use of cannabis, nor choose to use it myself. If you are to do so, I recommend that you seek the guidance of a physician first."

And here you go, grasping for those straws...

2) If your concern is really "the kids," then my solution is the only rational one. Of course, judging from your belligerence in this thread, explaining this to you is probably an exercise in futility... but here goes.

As it stands now, with marijuana being consigned to gray-market status, it is entirely too easy for "the kids" to get their hands on the stuff. Believe it or not, I was young once too. Drug dealers don't check i.d., but the liquor store does.

3) If you must continue attempting to cast doubts and aspersions on my character, and posting opinions/unsubstantiated evidence as fact, then you will leave me no choice but to make the case to vicad.com staff (no, I don't have any special connections) that your total disregard for forum decorum and the user policy represents grounds for deletion/banning. Hopefully they will listen, but I know if not I have merely to sit back and allow you to make the case for me.

Watch and learn.

4) If you are incapable of employing logic and reason to come to sane conclusions from my arguments, politely rebutting my case, then kindly ignore them. I don't really care to waste too much of my time involved in petty tit-for-tats on the internet. No thanks,

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5) Please brush up on your logical fallacies, including "argument from fallacy," "appeals to authority," "ignoratio elenchi" "post hoc ergo propter hoc," "appeal to ridicule" and "argument from ignorance."

Thanks for you time, and get back to me after you've completed #5.

Exresident, the point I’m trying to make is, the message you’re sending to kids, that it’s ok to do DOPE! So when and if you have kids or maybe you do have kids, you can explain what DOPE not to use so they do not become addicted to it. Perhaps maybe you will realize how truly pathetic you sound. I just hope you have the money for the rehab, don’t put it on the tax payer. It will be your choice and only you’re choice…

Keeping marijuana illegal serves as a huge jobs program for law enfrocement, the judicial, and prison system. Never mind that legalizing marijuana would merely be reflecting the public will and where we are as a society today. Like many other laws on the books today, they were conceived and passed in a bygone era and no longer find general support from citizens. The huge and outrageous taxpayer cost for arresting, prosecuting and incarcerrating our friends, neighbors, and famililies, is offensive to any sane taxpayer. The unfairness of current laws on the books serve to undermine public support in general for law enforcement, courts, and prisons. Most of us want "real" crimes and "real" criminals removed from society.

"The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate, and total documented prison population in the world. As of year-end 2007, a record 7.2 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.3 million were incarcerated. More than 1 in 100 American adults were incarcerated at the start of 2008. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million, while having four times the population, thus having only about 18% of the US incarceration rate."

What does the school board have to do with it?

Was that some sort of appeal to authority?

P.S., you're the one wanting to lock your fellow man in cages; the burden of proof is on you.

Exresident, why don’t you and Mr. Rodriguez, gather up all of the data you can find, and create a presentation, then go before the school board with you’re theories about why Marijuana should be legalized. Then if you can get by all of those parents without being dragged out side before being tarred and feathered. Then get back to me, because they will eat you alive… Social accepted I don’t think so…

Have a wonderful Sunday

Since someone at VICAD deleted my advice (?), I will post it again.

Anyone interested in the new law regarding possession of less than 4 ounces of marijuana should research hb 2391.

I'm not sure why the advocate would be opposed to that information being presented...

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Itisi, Your platitudes mean nothing. Potential harm is not an excuse for preemptive harm, even if it's a good revenue source for local police departments.

You have no moral high ground here, and additionally do not have any data to speak as though you are an expert on my life experiences. I implore to refrain from doing so in the future.

Thanks.

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itsi - The way I see it is if you wrote a book, it would be fiction, and based on manipulated statistics anyway. You try to separate drugs and alcohol in your argument, but the truth is that they belong in your "drug related" statistics, and with equal stature and importance. The truth of the matter, is that the worst problem with marijuana now, is that it is illegal, and in so being, creates a very volatile and sinister international trafficking problem, which coincidentally, runs in tandem with methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and pharmaceuticals trafficking as well. It is a very versatile plant that the good lord put here, that has both beneficial medicinal properties and is very suitable for use in fabric and ropes as well. The government subsidized growing it in WWII for the hemp. Similarly, there are, after our recent rains, mushrooms growing in cow patties, probably no more than a mile or two from where you sit reading this, that as with marijuana, ingested raw or cooked, will rival the strongest ecstasy or LSD, on the streets, and likely to boot, have a bit of nutritional value. The problem is not that these two plants are evil drugs, that should be a reason to overcrowd our prison system and courts. The problem is that they make one feel good, and as such, until the government figures how to tax and profit from their attractiveness, it will make it a crime to possess them, and funnel valuable enforcement resources away from truly serious narcotics and human trafficking.
Don't give me that "it leads to stronger stuff" crap either. I am sixtyish, and haven't used marijuana for over twenty years.......only because I am at risk of having to pee in a bottle and lose my job though - not because I am worried about possibly smoking a joint then going out and killing someone for crack money tomorrow night.
Well, there is one other reason......If I started smoking weed again, I'd probably weigh 400lbs, within a year.........

Exresident,

I will make this as brief as possible for you. I do believe you are not as knowledgeable as you seem to think in the area of narcotics, along with the writer of this statement on the subject of legalizing marijuana.

I think you have not seen families that have been destroyed by the use of drugs, nor have you witness the crimes that fellow drug use, because of the need of drugs. Yes you can say that about alcohol has the same effect, but if you think a drug does not have a sustained effect on the body, you’re totally misguided. You may think that you have relief from pain by smoking MJ, that maybe true, but you can have the same effect from alcohol. 70% of the crime that is committed is drug related in some way or another. Example, Chicago has the highest murder rate in the country, 85% of those crimes are drug related. The writer stated, “When was the last time you heard of someone dying because of MJ?” The writer is misguided as well. If you want some facts go the county jail, or even go to the court house and go through the conviction documents of crimes that where drug related. That is really all I have to say about it, because you’re wasting my time. I just don’t care to write a book…

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As an aside, before itisi pulls another, "you must be smoking something" straw grasp, let it be known that I neither condone the use of cannabis, nor choose to use it myself. If you are to do so, I recommend that you seek the guidance of a physician first.

Thanks, and here's to your unencumbered health and happiness!

exresident, no thanks, I'm retired with 30 of LE...

Perhaps the writer of “legalize Marijuana” could have done some research before writing. The comment has no fact based information to support legalized Marijuana.

So to be clear itisi, you support the police taking illegal actions in the interest of enforcing "the law?" You should apply for a job at VPD.

Besides, what will it get me? Well, if it's less than 2 ounces, probably a ticket until it is dismissed in court. Then it will get the police department/arresting officer a lawsuit.

Know your rights people, but more importantly know the law (it's on your side).

Texas Penal Code, Health and Safety Code, under the 400’s get stopped by the police and see what that Med/MJ will get you…

Thanks Vicad for the removal of my comment. Mr. Rodriguez made a statement, because it began with the letter (I), my comment was based on fact...

Did you know that medical marijuana is already legal in Texas?

Here, for the unwashed, is this from Texas Penal Code 9.22

"Conduct is justified if:

the actor reasonably believes the conduct is immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm;
the desirability and urgency of avoiding the harm clearly outweigh, according to ordinary standards of reasonableness, the harm sought to be prevented by the law proscribing the conduct; and
a legislative purpose to exclude the justification claimed for the conduct does not otherwise plainly appear."

For more info, read about 53 year old Tim Stevens' case:

http://www.newsli.com/2008/03/27/texa...

Let's see, prohibition of alcohol required a constitutional amendment, whereas prohibition of marijuana only required the Controlled Substances Act/FDA Scheduling. What gives?

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The only reason that it is illegal is because the government cannot figure out a way to farm and market it cheaper than you can do it yourself.They want to make a huge profit on the taxation of it. It is and will alway's be about money. Bobby do you think that the government really cares how much pot you smoke? If there are any health issues concerned then they will just tax it more to cover that, just as alcohol and tobacco.Figure out a way for them to make a profit and you will see it legalized.

I agree with you but not for your reasoning. It seems that when prohiabition was in, only the gangsters benefited. The case with drugs seems to be similiar. It seems that if people could go through their doctor to obtain drugs and to be monitered it might end the drug war. Maybe. I wander?