mela, what you say is true. there is enough land for anyone that wants to come here. The only problem is there isn't enough resources. There's not enough jobs in the world to help support that many people who come here asking for help. It is our Christian duty to help those in need, but what happens when the money runs out and our hospitals close because they are broke, or our schools run out of money and teachers start quitting because they cannot deal with it? There are millions upon millions of people here who cannot find a job, who cannot find housing, who cannot help pay their own way? What happens when Americans revolt and start taking things into their own hands? There is not unlimited resources here in America. When the boat gets too full, it sinks and everyone goes down.
In my post, replying to just a momI meant believes not bereaves (spell check must have just filled that word in.) “…. believes in The Holy Bible…..”
Suzy-You cant be more right when you say it’s like the Titanic. These people had more than enough room to fit more people on the boats they were in, yet they saw the poor people as vermin and decided to allow them to drown to their deaths rather than sharing the spacious room they had. Besides they earned it and they had to worry about their own comfort over the lives that could have been spared. Only to find, after hearing the terror in the screams of the dieing, they finally felt guilt. Now, after it was too late, they wanted to render aid. But realized that now, out of desperation and drowning suffocation, these people in the water, could - out of panic and hysteria- “tip the boat”
Sounds like a true American story if I’ve ever heard one. So much land to spare, yet we won’t share. Like the people on the Titanic and when the time comes and Americans realize we should have done something, I hope it’s not too late. We think we are poor, in a rescission, yet I never see a public trash can without food in it. We have no idea what 3rd world countries have to do, just to eat. We fight for animal rights, and care not of any human rights, if the human is not American. And I’m speaking about lots of American people, not America. Because our country does assist in the preservation of life and human rights. That’s what America is known for. Our morals. But greedy American citizens lobby against this. And want to change this nation into one without moral obligation to life. And criticize our government in the aid of other countries.
Now to go on to the subject of honoring bank robbers, kidnappers, and criminals who give the assertion of harming human life--------- that is a far cry from people fleeing from a country in fear of their lives. The old dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t theory. Only difference, is they don’t have a chance to live out, the one life God has granted them, there in Mexico. And they may have a chance here in America, regardless of what greed has put into the hearts of Americans. To teach your children it’s okay to put another human life in danger to support your family, when you have other options like government assistance, grants, friends, and family, and the main one: job fair ; is wrong. But to teach them that if your family is in danger, you fight and do what ever it takes to keep you and your family alive, regardless of the consequences, is just human instinct.
justamom-You are very presumptuous to assume you know what I think of you. You on the other hand stated that I am: 1 Young 2 an illegal or have been amnestied 3 Ignorant 4 never lived outside of “the cross roads region” 5 Blind yet squeezing my eyes tight
First of all how would I be born in Mexico yet never lived a day out side of “the cross roads region?”
Second because someone says they are Christian does not mean he/she is. A Christian bereaves in The Holy Bible, and does not rely on the flesh and idols of the world (biggest idol being money.) “as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me” Matt 25:40
“as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me” Matt 25:45
“For ye, brethren, were called for freedom; only use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but through love be servants one to another.” Galatians 5:13
”For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith,..” 1 Timothy 6:10
It takes more to being a Christian than just saying it. You must, at least attempted, to fallow scripture. The issue with illegal’s is a lot like in the time when Jesus walked the Earth, he drank from the same well as the Samaritan woman witch was not allowed among Jews.
mela, we cannot help those in other Countries unless our Country remains strong, the economy remains strong, good-paying jobs remain in America so enough taxes can be paid, the money paid to workers that work in America, remains in America, and the taxpayer and property owners are able to keep up with the costs of running this Country. Illegal aliens undercut all those things, and the more that come in, the worse it's going to get.It's kind of like when the Titanic sank. A lot of the life boats were half empty, but the ones in the boats were afraid to go back and try to pick up anyone because they knew if they did, the people in the water would be so panicked that they would drag them out of the boat to save themselves or tip the boat over and no one would survive. Americans are starting to feel that panic and are afraid of what they know is to come if something is not done now. America cannot run if it depends on tax money that is paid for the low wages that illegal aliens accept. It's just not possible.I feel bad for those people who died and no one deserves to die like that...no one, but it is not anyone else's fault if they chose to do something that they knew was dangerous and they died trying. We simply cannot honor anyone that dies knowingly breaking the law. If we did that, we would have to honor bank robbers who thought that it was their only way to help their families and better their lives, kidnappers who thought that a ransom would help their families in some way, thieves, murderers, etc. It sets a bad precidence (sp.?) to honor lawbreakers of anykind. Our kids pick up on those things and will think it is honorable to break the law if it helps them advance in life. That is not something that I want my kids to learn. I want them to learn that they can achieve anything they want by obeying the law, and not stepping on other people to achieve their goals.It's the families place to honor their loved ones if they wish.
Mela- the problem is you don't know me, but you think you do from one opinion I have. That just shows how ignorant you are. If you knew me you would know that I am a law abiding citizen who pays taxes and yes I help others on a daily basis. I had a good laugh at your comment because I can sleep well at night knowing who I have helped and how. I am a Christian who has a big heart and a big pocketbook for those who obey the law. I will not support illegals anymore than I would hand out money to a crack head, knowing it would not help them. I help the people in MY country first. Instead of helping the ones in Mexico or Africa as you stated, help the ones here instead. Then when our country has made progress we can then help others. It is very obvious you have grown up in Victoria and have never seen or lived anywhere outside of the "crossroads" area. Amusing really. Are you illegal, or did you get amnesty when you got here?
justamom-I must say, it must be so dark (in your heart) when you are so blind and have your mind squeezed so tight.... Yes, you still sound as if you have been socially deprived.They had a choice huh? I bet your one of the people who:
Believe America shouldn’t have interfered in Germanys destruction during Hitler’s rule.
Don’t believe in donating time or money to helpless children who live in Africa and South America.
You would just prefer to wake up in the morning and:1. Hit the snooze, sleep late and enjoy the day playing make-believe.2. Go to work and make a living just like every day leading up to this one.3. Find ways to get a better bank account, than to help the helpless.4. Move to Cabo or Cancun 5. I know this is a stretch but bare with me.....Go to the nearest human rights office and ask for the paperwork to stop aiding helpless people and give it to you.
You have choices everyday when you wake up, no matter where you live.You chose to ignore the grief’s of the world so you can sleep better at night, believing you are better. You victimize, victims of an unjust country so that you justify your beliefs. You endanger and subsequently murder the moral obligation to have love and compassion for human life. And want people to promote your idealistic views on hate. Shame shame. On you.
That was a sad event that happen, the lose life under those conditions need not have happen. Although the decisions that were made by the undocumented aliens were wrong, they did no the risk. Some one dies every day on the border from these crossings. If the border was closed to illegal aliens, just imagine that lives that could be saved..
for these people to be honored and have a mass for them brings a smile to my face. To know that this topic upsets so many people saddens me but dont worry cause in the end these people were and will be remembered, so go on with all yalls hatred..
Mela- I must say, it must be so dark when you are so blind and have your eyes squeezed so tight.... Yes, you still sound as if you are very young. They had no choice huh? Ok Lets put ourselves in the shoes of the parents of the 5 year old boy who passed away. What were his parents choices for that day...1. Hit the snooze, sleep late and enjoy the day playing with your kids.
2. Go to work and make a living just like every day leading up to this one.
3. Find ways to get a better job or improve MEXICO, maybe even decide to run for office.
4. Move to Cabo or Cancun and work at a resort.....the people who work there make a killing on tips and get to live in a paradise.
5. I know this is a stretch but bare with me.....Go to the nearest naturalization office and ask for the paperwork to become an American citizen, or for that matter, a student visa to further their education and life.
They didn't have any choices huh? I disagree.You have choices evryday when you wake up, no matter where you live.They chose to endanger and subsequently murder their child and people want to memorialize them. Shame shame.
Hey Jerk...How about the citizens of a country in which they were born band together and clean up their own country rather than bugging out to somewhere else and leaving the problems to fester and threaten others? It is, after all, THEIR country and therefore THEIR responsibility. You bad mouth the people here for resenting those who come here illegally but you have only praise for those break the laws of this country by being here. You know, there's just a chance that a lot of people here would not be as resentful to those who come here if they would come with the idea that they want to BECOME Americans and not remain Mexican or Honduran or Columbian or whatever. If they want to come here to share in what they perceive to be a better life in a better place, then they should be prepared to fully embrace the nation, the language and the culture as theirs. That's what my ancestors did. They didn't wish to remain what they had been. They not only wanted the better life, they wanted to BECOME AMERICAN CITIZENS. As long at the illegals think they can come here, take advantage of the good things about life in America but remain Mexican, they are going to engender a lot of resentment from some of us old codgers who think that living as an American citizen is something special.
jtj, so how many people do you think America can support? How do you think America can absorb "everyone" from "every" other country that wants to come here? How many jobs should taxpayers lose to people from other Countries that will work for pennies? Should we just open the borders? Should we send busses, or planes, to everyone who wants to leave their Country? How long do you think America, as we know it today, would stand? How long do you think "help" would be available? How long do you think it would be before America turned into another Mexico, or Cuba, or Iraq, or Russia, or wherever? How long do you think America would be free? How long before those bad people are here too? How long before American's have to protect the life they want to keep here and start shooting "anyone" that they see as a threat? How long before the economy that makes it possible for those from other countries to come here and seek safety, doesn't support it anymore?How long jtj?
Welcome to America.Land of the free. Free only to those whom descend from imigrants themselves.Free for the descendants of slave owners, free for the descendants of the ones who stole this land from your ascendants, raped your ascendants, killed your ascendants and forced your ascendants to flee to the miserable country you are trapped in today. Again I say:Welcome to America!Where it’s not wrong to care more about money than human (Mexican) life and safety.Where only American lives are valued.
Maybe we shouldn’t expect more from these people, besides look at whom they descend from, that’s the same blood. I guess some things truly can’t change. After so many years have passed, they still share the same greed absorbed, hate filled heart of their ancestors. Whom had no remorse for human life if they share not the same nationality.
Okay say you are at home, you step outside with your family, a van pulls up. Your family is attacked, ambushed, you fight with all your might. You wake on the ground to find yourself and wife bloodied, your 11 year old daughter is taken. You go to your local authorities to report the incident. You are then beaten and threatened not to talk to anyone about what has happened, they are working on the case. The federal police man then escorts you home to find that your home has now been rampaged and the little you work so hard to get is gone. The police man tells you, you should be thankful you have one less mouth to feed. And you should spend more time with your 8yr old before the same becomes of him. He then smiles, tells you sleep well, and leaves. All night you think, worry, feel guilt, think, feel helpless, cry, think. You know just 100 miles away, or less there is a land that you heard of, where you can go and your family will be safer. You will be able to keep them away from these evil men who are just waiting for your children to hit puberty before they enslave them for years then kill them. You know someone who knows someone who can get you and your family there, they tell you of other people who’ve gone there and the land there is like being in a different world. You don’t have to worry about your children starving or becoming sex slaves. All you have to do, is work hard. Now, he tells you there are dangers, but if you make it, your family will be free. Should you take the risk? Should you risk your lives, for the chance that the rest of your children not becoming sex slaves? But if you go you may die. If you stay, your son will die, but before that, he will be brutally raped, he will be brutally beat and then after years of torture and wanting to die, he will be brutally killed. So, you wake up the next morning and decide to take the risk and flee to the promised land.
According to the greedy people on this site you deserve to die. Your children deserve to become sex slaves because you were born there, your child was born there. These people say they are Christian, they say they are not racial, they say you are a coward because you chose to take the risk of fleeing this evil country you were born in. You are worthless, your children are worthless because they are Mexicans. But they are not racist. You should have applied to come into “their” country and wait the five years for your visa, even though your next child would have disappeared by then. It’s not their problem, it’s yours! And any penny spent on the safety of your family holds no constitute. You broke the law, by coming here, you deserve to die. Though they are afraid to help, they are afraid to spend pennies, YOU ARE THE COWARD!
mela, YOU are missing the point. These people "chose" to come here illegally. They contacted the choyote (or whatever they are called), not the other way around. THEY paid the money for someone to hide them while they entered our Country illegally. No one held a gun to their heads and forced them to do anything initially. I'm sure they all knew how dangerous it was. I'm sure they had all heard the horror stories, but they CHOSE to do it anyway. THEY put their children, and themselves, in harms way. NO one else did that to them.It's a sad, horrible, thing that happened to them, but everyone knows what happens when you play Russian Roulette. Sometimes the odds work against you, but it was a choice they made to take the chance.It was not a noble thing that they did, it was stupid and they paid the ultimate price for their own stupidity.
Just a mom- I will take a stab and guess that you have a lack of education in social skills, not knowing the difference between sneaking in to see a movie, and fleeing a country in the hopes of providing for their prosperity. The comparison is an insult.
From what I’ve read from most of these bloggers against any kind of memorial, article, remembrance, etc… they have a continued emphasis on the law being broken, as a way to justify why these victims “ deserved to die.”
These victims were begging to be let out, yet the trailer remained locked and abandoned, leaving them to die. That is murder. If they were able to seek refuge here without having to ride in the back of the trailer, believe me they would have. So in turn they were forced. They had no choice. They had to risk breaking the law, risk an unsafe pilgrimage, to have hope of survival.
They love America so much they died trying to live here. Now any true American would respect that.
abovblo said..."The anniversary date of the tragedy is everyday in my heart. it took those 9 to die here in Victoria for people to snap."........again...what about the other 10? 19 people died!!!! Your post lost any truthfulness/sincerity once I hit that sentence (which was the very 1st one). You are one of the pro illegals in here, yet you don't care enough about them to know how many actually died. "smh" pathetic.
Is the tide turning?
'Jobs that Americans won't do'http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/ejobs
With fewer jobs for Americans these days, are there fewer jobs that Americans won't do?
The answer will influence whether Congress decides to grant amnesty to some 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, perhaps by next year.
Most illegal workers in the US are Mexicans who mow lawns, clean motel sheets, butcher hogs, pick strawberries, and otherwise toil away at tasks that, as George W. Bush once said, "Americans won't do." And they often are paid less than the minimum wage.
A widely held assumption in Washington's debate about immigration is that native-born Americans avoid menial and dirty work. Laid-off autoworkers wouldn't really wash dishes at a Denny's or milk cows on a dairy farm, would they? Such a notion has long helped justify a flow of foreign workers into the US – or possibly an amnesty for those hiding from the law.
Recent recessions have been short enough that jobless Americans who rely on government benefits waited for a "good job" to return. But this "Great Recession" has been long and deep. The unemployment rate has doubled from 4.7 to 9.4 percent, and it may keep rising into next year. Many layoffs appear permanent as whole industries have collapsed and new fields, such as clean energy, are slow to emerge. The percentage of Americans "mal-employed" – working below their skill or education – is higher than in recent recessions.
With people desperate for income, downward mobility may be on the way up. News reports show long lines of applicants for a janitor's job or for work at a factory after a federal raid clears out the illegal workers.
Maybe it's a myth that Americans won't take certain jobs. In fact, a study by the Center for Immigration Studies used 2005-07 data to look at 465 occupations. Only four had a majority of immigrants in them: plasterers and stucco masons, agricultural graders and sorters, personal appliance workers, and tailors and dressmakers.
In every other occupation, such as janitors, maids, and groundskeepers, a large majority were filled by native-born Americans. The report's conclusion: "The often-made argument that immigrants only take jobs Americans don't want is simply wrong."
The US job market is too dynamic to be easily segmented. Americans move too often for new jobs – more than a third live outside the state in which they were born. This recession can help bust the myth that native-born workers are too snooty to get their boots dirty in farm fields and back shops.
Maybe then a key plank for an amnesty will be removed.
Mela- I will take a stab and guess you are young by the way you type. I will say it is good to be involved at a young age about this kind of issue. However, all of your scenarios are ones of legal Americans. Hunny, they were not forced or murdered. They woke up and made the decision. Lets take out the race the and the illegal side of this story. Picture a mother and father who want to go to a drive in movie with the kids, but they can't afford it. Instead of saving for the trip they decide to pay someone to sneak them in the trunk of the car. Not knowing this person they climb in with a 5 year old boy. The driver of the car does not let them out and when they are finally let out the boy has died of suffocation and heat exhaustion. As an American, CPS would be called and the parents would be charged and sentenced. Now add the illegal only. Not only were these adults breaking the laws of the US, but they endangered a young boy as set by OUR laws and government. So why on earth do people think we should build a memorial to adults, who by our own standards would have been charged with endangering a child and murder?
I can see somebody learned a new word...T-O-N-E is all we have heard the past few days. I wouldn't have cared if it was a truck load of Irish immigrants, illegal is illegal. There are plenty of legal immigrants in this country, more power to them. Hell, at one time or another everybody in heres family was an immigrant at one time or another. It is sad that what happened to them happened but as justamom said, why is there not any memorials for the people that were here legally and died of something so tragic?
The anniversary date of the tragedy is everyday in my heart. it took those 9 to die here in Victoria for people to snap. This goes on evryday.for those of you who don't know the Legalization process is lengthy. They pay for all sorts of applications to be submitted to get legal. Then, while they are doing this, and luck isn't on their side, they get deported. they then just lost every cent they already put in. I know people that have been waiting 10 or more years. I think that's bs.everyone should have a shot at a better life. if entery were easy, they wouldn't need to be smuggled.a lot of people on this comment page, who are the negative ones, are the same people who get the so called illegals to cut their lawns, build their homes, or work their ranches. in other words stop judging when you're benefiting off of them.
mela....you contradict yourself so eloquently.
Just a mom ...and everyone else whom believes these people chose to break the law , so in turn choose & deserve to die. They did not choose to break the law they were forced. They DID NOT choose to die they were murdered.
What happens if a fifteen year old girl decides to break the law and drink alcohol, gets in a car with a guy she meets, and gets rapped? Does this mean she deserved to get raped knowing she broke the law by drinking then getting into a car willingly with a stranger.
What happens if a woman’s car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, she has no cell and finds no way of getting to a store or calling for help, breaks the law by hitchhiking, gets in a car a stranger and then he kills her. Did she deserve to be murdered because she broke the law?
The family whom was crossing the street in the middle instead of at the corner by the traffic lights gets hit by a 18 wheeler that made an illegal turn speeding down the street. Did they deserve to die because they broke the law by J-walking.
I could go on FOREVER with different scenarios.
But the answer is: Even though these people broke laws, doesn't mean they are not VICTUMS. And in no way deserve what happened. And the only reason I had to answer my own question is because some of you may beleive this was justified. Or maybe... just maybe this has more to do with Race then pople want to admit.
Once a month.....
Is it just me or does this anniversary come around like bi or triannually.
for one thing, mexican is not a race, it is an ethnicity, why honor people who died breaking the law, and why when these people come and lower our country to the standards of the one they left should we feel we owe them anything.???
may they RIP
Some of you people have given yourself over to a reprobate heart and mind.
Mathew 7 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
I thought this incident happened last year or so! But it has been over 6 YEARS! You are still wallowing in self pity? It is time to close the chapter and get on with your life. Are you still sobbing over the troops lost in Iraq! I don't see any article in the paper about those warriors who are serving to protect this way of life. OR are the reporters at the advocate too lazy to get real up to date stories. I sent in 18 articles in the health care bill that I and several others are concerned in the bill HR3200. It has received no coverage from the advocate except to say that those who make over 250,000 will pay for the health care. Come on Advocate, do your job! Inform the people on matters that really count-health care. This has gone on long enough. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for this fatal funnel series- it is not news except to you and the sympathizers. Others want to get on with their life!
BIGJ,I agree. I am a Christian, though I fall short at times. I say RIP to the victims as well and its time that we speak up for change otherwise this will continue.
To defend the attacks against me and no one else.....yes I am a mother and yes I have compassion. I love my child enough to not put them in harms way. Rather it be legal or not. To take a 5 year old boy illegally into a trailor that they knew would be dangerous is absurd. I do have compassion for the child, it is the illegals I have a problem with. What about all of the horrible abuse and death that is in OUR society (meaning America), I don't see any memorials to that....Call up a CPS or an APS worker and let them tell you some stories of neglect and abuse, again they are legal and still suffer, why not a memorial to them?BigJ and his new cohort mindurownbiz (which is probably just him with another screen name) can scream and call names in the middle of the playground all they want...No one is listening.
Race is still an important issue for America, but what I am talking about is the sovereignty of this great nation; or what's left of it.
Once again, this is an economic issue and the victims are us, our children who will inherit our issues and debts, and the people that are being exploited and killed along our border.
I don't pin the border security issue on the Mexicans, I pin it on our national government.
In addition, I still fail to understand how someone of this nation could refer to themselves as a Mexican. What about an American so that we can all be on the same team here? Celebrate your culture and embrace the differences of others; but none the less, participate in the processes as an American.
No one is asking you to be ashamed of being Mexican. What one should be ashamed of is breaking the laws of a Country, and bypassing those who are doing it the right way...cutting in line, so to speak. Only egotistical cowards cut in front of people who respect a Country enough to obey their laws, brags about it, and then demands sympathy and help.
I'M MEXICAN AND I STAND UP FOR WHT I AM.. IM NOT A SHAME ONE BIT TO BE A MEXICAN IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK THE MAJORITY OF US HAVE HISPANIC ORIGINS ... REMEMBER THAT U.S. WAS MEXICO'S BEFORE YOU ALL CAME ALONG... I AGREE WITH SALAZAA THAT YALL LIVE IN T0WN FOUNDED BY MEXICANS...
This dogs been beat several times for the past few months..Let it go.. Vote to change the way things are..Blog to change your blood pressure....Good day all..
I concur Suzy. I heard someone put it today that a people that fear its country are living under communism while a country that fears it people are living in a democracy (or something like that).
Think about something here. If people get fed up enough with illegal immigration, in the same way that they are protesting the healthcare reform, what changes could they get accomplished? No one thought there would be this much opposition to healthcare reform, but there is!!! People are getting fed up...period!!!
You're right...Don Martín De León was the only Tejano empresario to settle a colony in Texas, in the days before statehood. The De Leon family also supported the Texas fight for independence and lost everything that they had.
I don't see why people fall into the racial trap on the immigration issue. I come from immigrant ancestors that were needed for labor. And now I am an American; not an Irish American, not a Mexican American, but an American.
Salazaa...I served my country honorably where all men and women were green in uniform, not black, white, or brown...just green and all Americans.
..."Also in conclusion, ponder this, if the Mexicans and other illegals were not present in the US, then who would do all the landscaping, fruit picking, and raise all the white kids???..."
Uh, the same people who did it before the illegals came. When I was young, I remember roofing crews were white, construction crews were white, trash men were white, etc. You all have it wrong when you say that white men will not do those jobs. They have been priced out of those jobs by people who do not have the expenses that our people do. Employers opt to exploit those who do not know their self-worth and can be replaced easily. In other words, throw-away workers.Raising the white kids? Is that what's happening to our kids? Good Lord, no one raised my kids except me. I didn't trust anyone else with them.
Geesh, And you people live in a town founded by MEXICANS.
Well Purple, these people, like all others, have my compassion. I regret that NAFTA and some of our gov policies may be to blame for some of the degradation of Mexico. Shame on us!
The fact remains that we have become a welfare state, giving free medical and education and awarding amnesty. This is bankrupting us, and my children will inherit this mess.
This is an economic issue. If we were in "good times" then most immigrants would not be a threat, but a need for our workforce as they have been in history. But those conditions have changed and now we are talking about apples vs oranges.
We're all Americans - and they come in black, white, red, orange, etc. One day we'll all see each other being in Heaven or Hell. They take the jobs that the white homeless don't want. At least you don't see them begging for money...... My prayers go out to all the families, such a bad tragedy.
Right now we are subsidizing a lot of illegal immigration with our robust social programs and it is our problem that instead of coming to the United States as a land of opportunity, many come for the security guaranteed by our government welfare system.
Our government was suppose to take a good look at this issue following 9/11, and I have not seen an appreciable change in our border security.
"joethejerkEveryone pays taxes,or has them ripped out of their check. That is part of being in this great country,pay taxes and you get : street lights,paved roads,colleges,running water ,sewer ,polce officers,military, and countless other things. So you see when your taxes, and mine go up,you are not just paying for the care of illegal immigrants.you guys gotta know this,right"
Yes we do know what SOME of our tax money goes to. And I don't care if it's illegals, or somebody just to lazy to work, they should have to earn it just as we did. I think they should start drug testing before handing out welfare. That simple...don't pass.....no money. Now back on topic, Do I think it's right what happened? NO, I don't, but plenty of other people come here and earn their citizenship the right way.
EVERYONE IS JUST MAD BECAUSE WE STILL HONOR AND REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY..NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE DESRVES TO DIE LIKE THAT... UNLESS U URSELF HAS KILLED SOMEONE THEN THEY DESERVE TO DIE....BUT THESE POOR PEOPLE WERE JUST TRYING BETTER THEMSELVES AND THIER KIDS....SO WHAT IF ITS ILLEGAL U HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THIER POINT OF VIEW...I AM PRETTY SURE AND MORE THAN POSITIVE THAT IF YALL WERE IN THAT SAME POSITION THAT YALL WOULD OF DID THE SAME WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS IN CLOSED TRAILER OR ANY OTHER KIND OF WAY JUST TO GET IN THE US....BUT THATS THE PROBLEM NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE POOR PEOPLE ON THAT DAY SO GET OVER IT PEOPLE......LIVE WITH IT AND MOVE ON..GET LIVES GET JOBS...AND JUST LIVE WITH IT
Well said Big J!!
Everyone pays taxes,or has them ripped out of their check. That is part of being in this great country,pay taxes and you get : street lights,paved roads,colleges,running water ,sewer ,polce officers,military, and countless other things. So you see when your taxes, and mine go up,you are not just paying for the care of illegal immigrants.you guys gotta know this,right?
Just A Mom,Really are you "Just a Mom"?? Because as a mother I would think you should be the first one to feel sympathy for this 5 yr old that died..NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES for how it happened. I don't even know where to begin with the rest of your comments. But you should get back to watching your soap operas and daytime televion now...maybe you can learn something about human affection and moral sensitivity.
No the last post is a clear example of somebody that is tired of being forced to have to pay for people who choose not to work for what they get in favor of having it handed to them free of charge and taking the easy way around things. Speak your mind justamom.
The parents that took the 5 year old boy on that kind of trip deserve what ever happened. Follow the laws and things like this will not happen. Take responsibility for your actions and quit relying on some sad tale of how hard things are. If they are hard then you will appreciate them more when you overcome them. Getting in a trailer is the easy coward thing to do. I know how hard it is to become an American and there is a reason for it. I watched a dear friend go through the process, who was here on a student visa. I cried at the site of her taking her oath and singing the national athem. It was beautiful and she was a better person and American for going through the process. It can be done I have seen it first hand. That is the thing, no one wants to work for it anymore. It is to be handed to them or done illegally.
How ignorant is this statement "They chose to get in the trailer and break the law, they chose to die."??? How about educating yourself on why these people want to be here in the US and their options for doing so. It's not that easy as filling out paperwork as mentioned in an above post. There is an HBO documentary called "Which Way Home". I would urge everyone to watch it before making such igonorant statements. Let's also not forget 2 things about American history:1. Before the Texas was the US, it was Mexico.2. Some of the first illegal immigrants to the US were white Englishmen that came over in the Mayflower and eventually pushed out the Native Americans from the original 13 colonies and took all the land for themselves. Also in conclusion, ponder this, if the Mexicans and other illegals were not present in the US, then who would do all the landscaping, fruit picking, and raise all the white kids???
We are all sinners in one way or another, who are WE to JUDGE! We really should treat human beings like we would like to be treated ourselves!
I FEEL FOR THESE PEOPLE AND ITS SO HORRIBLE THAT THEY HAD TO DIE THIS WAY AND THAT AMERICA TALKS DOWN ON IT WHEN WERE SUPPOSE TO STAND UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ... WHTS GOING ON WITH AMERICA NOW IN DAYS WE HELP THE PEOPLE IN IRAQ WHEN THERE OWN COUNTRY IS KILLING OUR PPL ??? WHTS UP WITH THAT??? WHTS HAPPENING IS THAT THE HISPANICS ARE RISING AND WERE NOT LETTING ANYONE STOP US ... EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF RACE IS GONNA KILL, BURGLARIZE , RAPE, AND BREAK THE LAW.. EVERYONE IN THESE DAYS ARE ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE AND ITS A SHAME FOR THOSE PPL OUT THERE THAT WERE BORN IN THE UNITED STATES AND CHOOSE TO LET THERE CHILDREN LIVE ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE JUST B/C THERE SO LAZY TO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND WORK... AND YALL WANNA TALK BOUT CRAZY AND WRONG ...
Human life is precious. People will always make mistakes,and even sometimes break the law. One of the victims was a 5 year old boy,I for one do not feel that he deserved to suffer hypothermia ,claw at walls ,urinate on himself,and die in the dark because he was being brought into this country illegally.At the end of it all we are supposed to be HUMANS,and as a HUMAN , we should not post hateful or hurtful things.
I can't believe that my church is actually getting involved with this. By all means, the dead should always be honored, but you have to look at what these people were doing when it happened. They were breaking the law, plain and simple. It was disgusting what was done to them, but these people chose to break the law and placed their lives in the hands of evil people who had no regard for human lives. Illegal immigration is wrong, period. If you want to be a part of this country, you need to respect its laws and the people that live in it. We have paid are dues to be called Americans, they have not.
They can't stop the Fatal Funnel series now...not all the newspaper carriers have won Press Association awards for their delivering of the paper.
I hear ya, Mr. Mader. I don't think I've ever seen a dead horse beat as severely as this one. Maybe that's why, when I open up the VicAd here lately, or come on line, I start to feel brain dead in a matter of minutes.
Wanna bet that there will be a reprise for years on the anniversary of the incident? It will likely be with us as long as any of the current staff remains on the Advocate.
Granted they were coming in illegally but what was done to these people was wrong no one under any circumstances you ever be treated the way they were this was a tragedy and this should be remembered. I don't like people coming into our country illegally I don't like that they get Medicaid housing and some even get our Social Security and never pay into the system but what happen to them should have never happened and I'm glad they caught the ones that did it.God be with each of the families and help us all understand.
Well, digalitldper, it looks like ftilly is picking up where gabe has left off......it's not enough the VicAd has to monopolize newsprint and bandwidth with the fatal funnel series, now the issue has to be moralized and sermonized on VicAd employees' blogs as well. I am close to finished with the VicAd, period, and ready to cancel my subscription.
So, digalitldper, good luck with your hope for the end.......I have a feeling it ain't gonna happen.
"We got a lot of luck," he said, his voice shaky with emotion. Nuñez crossed the border illegally 15 years ago. He is now a permanent resident."
HELLO problem number one with me.......
Second if the illegal immigrants woke up that morning and said "Instead of trying to sneak into a country illegally and with people I barely know or trust, I am going to go down and start the paperwork for my family to move to America legally." Then they would not have died. They chose to get in the trailer and break the law, they chose to die. Next we will be memorializing the gang member who was killed by cops because he was an armed suspect running from a burglary.....Geez Take responsibility for your actions people.
Only 9 were remembered? What about the other 10?