Respect the U.S. flag
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Editor, the Advocate:
Victorians, when I drive around Victoria, I am appalled at the number of torn, shredded and ratty flags people fly, especially businesses.
Please keep watch on our flag, and give it the honor and respect it deserves.
Abbie Campbell, Victoria
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Wow Pilot! Could you use anymore big words?
As I said, we will draw the lines where we each see fit. It's evident that between you and I we see the codes and laws in a different manner.
I always enjoyed, and even sometimes admired your previous posts on other subjects but, and not that it will matter to you or even to me, I did lose some respect for you by you calling it "a damn flag".
Perhaps your the one who needs to look into living in a different country.
Tx
April 16, 2010 at 4:46 p.m.Next thing you'll know someone will make an iconic symbol out of an excruciatingly painful ancient method of execution - oh wait...
April 16, 2010 at 2:34 a.m.Ok, let me try this in a more elementary version since we are going to try childish "name calling" now (txbobo - TX Bohmenian?)
writein-"Your comments makes NO SENSE what so ever. Flag being disrespected is NOT, NOT the same as vandalizing property"
There are codes to follow when displaying the US flag and it is a sign of disrespect, whether knowingly or not, when it is not done according to the codes. And the examples of vandalism I used, evidently far fetched for some, are far worse, no doubt, but still disrespecting.
Also the examples I used was in reply to the " If people would "mind [their] own damn business", the world would be a better place."
I fail to see how looking the other way when something is being disrespected, whether it's displaying the flag improperly or vandalizing others property or anything in between, is going to make the world a better place!
I guess as individuals we each will draw the line where we see fit.
And, yes, pilot I am aware that only the Texas flag can be flown at the same height as the US flag. That was not the question, which you seem to avoid. Or maybe you did answer with the "mind your own business" comment.
As far as the other childish "smoking" comment; no, I don't and never have.
April 16, 2010 at 12:10 a.m.TX Bohmenian.
Your comments makes NO SENSE what so ever. Flag being disrespected is NOT, NOT the same as vandalizing property.
April 15, 2010 at 5:31 p.m.To pay honor to the Victoria Tea Party, I post again this video of the spokesman for the Texas Tea Party, Mr. Larry Kilgore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqtNi...
April 15, 2010 at 1:37 p.m.Your welcome FrancesG.
Contrary to some beliefs here I do respect people trying to show Patriotism by flying the flag, it just needs to be done properly.
It's obvious, according to the posts here, some think they are "above the law" and don't have to follow the rules set forth.
April 15, 2010 at 11:42 a.m.thewaywardwind
April 15, 2010 at 9:51 a.m.TxBohemian
Thank you both, I agree with y'all.
I still respect my country, and it's flag.
And all those in my family, and friends, that have served our country in the army, navy, air force, they agree with us also.
It breaks their hearts to know that there is some that don't respect what they have fought so hard for.
Thanks again.
ex..."What does any of that have to do with someone flying a flag that you deem not up to code?
Maybe if you spent more time worried about people transgressing against the property rights of others, and a little less time concerning yourself over the condition of others' flags, the world would be a better place!"
From the Flag Code: "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."
"It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness."
It's not whether I or anyone else considers a flag not "up to code." The Flag Code itself states that the flag should not be displayed when it is dirty, torn and worn out. It is more respectful of the flag to not display it at all than to fly it in a condition that shows it to be tattered or in a manner that is not in conformance with the Flag Code, ie; flying a flag at night without it being illuminated or flying it in bad weather.
I'm sorry you don't feel the flag deserves proper respect as the symbol of the nation. A great many of us do and find it distasteful for people to treat Old Glory in the same manner as you would a handkerchief or sweaty tee shirt. Perhaps if people were more concerned with respecting the flag, they would also be more aware of the rights of other poeple as well. It couldn't hurt.
April 14, 2010 at 3:11 p.m.Years ago, I noticed that the flag at a Volunteer Fire Department Station that I passed on the way to and from work was getting pretty tattered. I stopped by one day on the way home and gave them a new flag and a suggestion that they keep an eye on the flag and not let it get too worn. They seemed most appreciative of both the flag and the advice. My new flag was flying the next day and I never again saw a flag at the station that needed replacement. At least in this case, it appears that no one had ever told them about proper flag etiquette.
April 14, 2010 at 1:11 p.m.So to writein and pilot -
The next time I see someone vandalizing, say, a school property I should just mind my own buisness?? The city gets enough of my tax money, they can pay for it, right??
Or I see someone shooting out windows in cars up and down my street just look the other way, as long as it doesn't happen to me? Mind my own "damn business"??
Yeah, that's going to make "the world a better place"!!
Maybe my "hobby" is to make less ignorant people in this world.
Also pilot writes:
April 14, 2010 at 7:44 a.m."...panties in a wad over seeing a flag displayed that doesn't meet your expectations..."
So what would you do if you saw someone here in the US flying the US flag under another flag, say like a Mexican flag, on the same pole?? Would you look the other way and "mind your own damn buisness"??
Pilot.
If people would "mind [their] own damn business", the world would be a better place.
April 13, 2010 at 11:58 p.m."I hate the flag of the United States" Larry Kilgore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqtNi...
April 13, 2010 at 9:40 p.m.Pay it forward people. Stop at the location and give them a new flag. A random act of kindness can go a long way. People on my street used to complain about a house that had unmowed grass. Guess what? I now mow that grass for the lady that lives there. She cooked my son and I chicken fried steak the last time I did it. The point is, stop complaining and provide a nice gesture and in most cases the person will return the favor.
God Bless You...let's all try to get along and not judge someone you don't know.
P.S. that lady and her daughter didn't have a lawn mower and can't afford to pay someone to mow her yard...
April 13, 2010 at 3:37 p.m.Waaaaay back when I was in high school, shortly after the glaciers receded, my explorer post had a project with which I was involved for three years. When we would see a flag that was in such condition that it shouldn't be displayed, we would (in our uniforms) visit the company (I don't ever remember doing this at a private residence) and explain nicely that our post would like to take their old, torn, or otherwise damaged flags and dispose of them properly and with the respect due Old Glory. Only a few times were we turned down. The people flying the flag meant no disrespect to it, they just flew it because they felt they should, but many simply forgot to take in down at night or in bad weather. They knew the stripes had separated or that it was otherwise damaged, but continued to fly it meaning no disrespect.
We stored the flags until the Fourth of July, when we had a destruction ceremony with the Star Spangled Banner and other recorded patriotic music during which we burned the flags, which is the accepted method of destruction of a damaged flag. Over the three years I was involved, we burned probably close to a couple dozen damaged flags.
This was back in the 60's when many were burning flags in protest of the Vietnam war and we had to assure some folks that was NOT our intent in burning the flags we destroyed. They were treated with the respect due Old Glory and some of the people from whom we collected flags actually showed up at the ceremony and complimented our post. It was a good feeling and this string has brought back some very fond memories of those times.
April 13, 2010 at 12:16 p.m.I agree, it saddens my heart to see so many disrespect our flag. If it is torn, take it down. If you can't afford to buy new ones, don't fly them. If you can afford to keep them neat, and respectful, display a flying flag in honor of our country.
April 13, 2010 at 10:28 a.m.Finnally a letter to the editor that i completely agree with! Take down those old torn flags people and put up a new one already
April 13, 2010 at 1:54 a.m.I agree with you Abbie.
I also see alot of flags being displayed improperly around town, hopefully ignorance is the reason.
Anyone who wants to display the flag should goggle "USFlag etiquette" first and learn how before displaying one.
April 12, 2010 at 5:45 p.m.