Taxpayers disagree whether Victoria's streets are getting better

City claims improvement, but residents aren't so sure

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  • HOW SURVEY IS CONDUCTED

    The street survey is done by employees who drive all 311 miles of city roads, not including highways maintained by the state.

    They look for such problems as pavement cracks, potholes, rutting and poor drainage.

    Each ...

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  • HOW SURVEY IS CONDUCTED

    The street survey is done by employees who drive all 311 miles of city roads, not including highways maintained by the state.

    They look for such problems as pavement cracks, potholes, rutting and poor drainage.

    Each of the 12 possible defects are rated and added to provide an overall rating for the street. The ratings are then used by the staff and city council to make decisions about which streets to repair.

    Those decisions also hinge on such factors as cost, the amount of traffic and the condition of water and sewer lines beneath the pavement.

    HISTORICAL RATINGS

    Victoria has conducted surveys on the condition of city streets every year beginning in 1994, with the exception of 2006.

    In 1994, only about 40 percent of the city's streets were rated as good to very good. That compares to just over 85 percent today.

Victoria businessman Jeff Lyon said he sees improvements in the streets. But he said the road to perfection is still miles away.

"They're making improvements, but it's a very slow process," said Lyon, vice president and general manager of GAP Broadcasting-Victoria. "They still have quite a ways to go in improving many of the residential areas."

Gilbert Gonzalez, who has driven Victoria's streets for 38 years for the United Parcel Service, described them as "terrible." He said he doesn't see the progress the city claims.

"Politically, they say yes," he said. "But in actuality, no."

Gonzalez said the potholes are numerous and even recently paved residential streets are getting cracks in them.

A yearly survey conducted by the city each summer give Victoria a solid B for the condition of its streets. The city's average street rating increased to 85.18 in 2009 based on square footage compared to 84.46 the previous year. Public Works employees rank Victoria's 311 miles of streets on a scale of zero to 100, with 100 being the best condition.

Public Works Director Lynn Short said the method used to judge the streets isn't perfect, but he said it's based on recommendations from the Asphalt Institute. The institute is the international trade association of petroleum asphalt producers, manufacturers and affiliated businesses.

Short said the survey doesn't take into account such factors as traffic volumes and it is somewhat subjective.

"As they drive the street, it's that person's interpretation," he said. "So, yeah it is somewhat subjective."

Freshman Council Member Denise Rangel said the increase listed in the report, though seemingly small, is good news.

"We have X amount of money, and you do the best you can," she said. "I think we're doing exceptionally well."

Rangel said the weather the past couple of years has not been much help to the city. Short agreed.

"When it dries, the ground moves around and the asphalt cracks, he said. "When it rains, obviously you get moisture in the base and you get potholes and failures."

The city street survey was conducted last summer and shows 73 percent of the roads were in good to very good condition. Another 19 percent were in fair condition, 6 percent were in poor condition and 2 percent were in very poor condition.

Short said he considers the nearly 1-percentage point improvement in ratings a sign of steady progress. He attributes the improvement primarily to the city rebuilding such thoroughfares as Laurent Street and Lone Tree Road.

"Some of those large thoroughfares that were in very poor condition have now been completed in concrete," he said. "That has brought up the score."

Short said he expects to see further improvements in the coming years when the city completes rebuilding part of Red River Street near The Victoria College and Sam Houston Drive.

"I think we're doing very well on our large thoroughfares," he said. "We still unfortunately have a lot of residential streets that we need to work on as funding becomes available."

Short said the city has $1.7 million available for general street maintenance this budget year. That includes $525,000 to seal street cracks that allow water to get into the base and cause pavement failure.

The city has another $878,275 to hire a contractor to help repair residential streets and $300,000 for the city crews to make general maintenance repairs.

"We're probably holding our own on the residential streets," Short said. "They haven't been increasing like the thoroughfares, but we've got a lot of residential streets out there and a lot of needs as far as residential efforts."



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  • In November of 1996 the voters approved the 1/2% sales tax increase for infrastructure improvement. (It was voted down 2 years earlier) From the begining of '97 to the end of '09 this tax has collected prox $67 million. Anyone & everyone who makes a purchase in Victyoria is paying this tax, not just property owners, and the the tax is currently producing about 1/2 million dollars per month.
    Back in '96, people were complaining about Sam Houston St. just as they are today. Voters were ...'sold' ... on the idea that this money was going to fix streets, fix drainage, fix sewer lines, fix potholes, etc. You can see that the 'sales job' has not lived up to reality.
    Every time a new 'crisis' or pet project comes up (overpasses, Airline extension, softball fields, hike & bike trails, etc) this fund is tapped to pay for it. All of these items ARE infrastructure and they technically qualify for these funds ,,, but they are not street repair, which is what the voters wanted when they voted this tax on themselves. You can only spend this money one time so ... street repair gets pushed back on the list, or further into the future. When you hear politician say, "they have 'discresonary' funds", this is what they are talking about.
    Fixing the streets is not very 'glamorous' so the politicians allocate this money to what ever the currently fashionable cause of the day is. AND the Advocate will run editorials saying 'We Need Overpasses' and the next day run an editorial saying 'We Need the Streets Fixed'. Folks, you've got 'x' amount of money ... What do you want to do with it?
    For myself, I say fix the streets! That is what I voted for in 1996! It is the only time in my life I ever voted to increase my own taxes ... and judging from the results over 13 years ... I wish I could get my money back. Does anybody think that any of us has a chance of doing that?

    April 18, 2010 at 7:36 a.m.
  • Mockingbird has always been horrible, Airline is probably the best of the three mentioned, Red River not good. One of the Bens was much better than the other, I don't remember which one though. Aside from Navarro & Main/87....all the rest of the major roads pretty much blow.

    April 17, 2010 at 5:48 p.m.
  • N45BA, you can add Crestwood to that list.

    April 17, 2010 at 5:23 p.m.
  • I love the line
    As they drive the street, it's that person's interpretation," he said. "So, yeah it is somewhat subjective
    Yep, driving down Red River will only knock off a hub cap, Sam Houston will knock your front end out of alignment.

    April 17, 2010 at 3:06 p.m.
  • Longdistanceshot:

    When the late Wayne Watkins was a member of the town council he was able to get a 0.5 cent tax passed just for street repairs. The better questions is, "Where is that money"?. My guess is to appease some yahoo that has a pet project he/she wants accomplished and to heck with the streets. I must agree with you, the streets in this town are deplorable and the people that rate them have no idea what they are doing other than what they are told by the town government. Sad state of affairs in this frontier burg.

    April 17, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.
  • The streets of Vic are the WORST streets I have ever traveled on....and that is NO exaggeration! I travel to Houston, Dallas, SA, and many smaller towns in between often and none are as bad as the very town I live it. IT's just a crying shame! What liars we have to say they are getting better...ya (their) "wallets" are getting better (fatter) by putting out such lies, so, of course they would say that.

    April 17, 2010 at 9:55 a.m.
  • The bad apple here is getting "recommendations" from the Asphalt Institute.
    With gumbo soil beneath you can asphalt all you want, the streets
    will begin to deteriorate just as soon as the first vehicle drives
    over it.
    What is needed for the city streets is rebar (sp?) reinforced concrete.
    Getting advice from the Asphalt Institute is like having the
    coyote guard the egg laying hens!
    I think after all these years of failed paving someone, somewhere of those who are in charge of street maintenance is getting 'silver lining' from the so called Asphalt Institute to keep this
    insanity of pouring the taxpayers money and asphalt over more
    asphalt over the city's wavy-gravy streets.
    City Fathers; get a grip!

    April 17, 2010 at 9:41 a.m.
  • I worked for an oilfield construction company out of Beeville. We had a machine that was designed to repair potholes in the road. It rented for $3,000 per week and was pulled behind a dump truck which carried the road material (rocks). This machine would blow the pothole clean with high pressure air, then I would coat the pothole with liquid asphalt and then a mixture of asphalt and the small road material. Mound it over on the top so the traffic can compact it to level. I was done in about 3 minutes per pothole. That is what Victoria needs to do to the residential streets for a temp fix until they all can be redone in concrete!

    What do you think Victoria? Does that seem like a solution to the current problem? Cheap and fast!

    April 17, 2010 at 6:32 a.m.
  • The streets in victoria are bad, I can not believe the city wants to brainwash people to believe that they are getting better.Please let me know which one are in good shape.My husband always had said that we dont have to take the children to the carnival to get on rides we can get a thrill riding on the streets in Victoria . Instead of wanting to give the downtown area a make over ,start with the streets so people would want to even drive there. But our City Council is all confused they dont know if they are coming or going.I still dont understand how they stay in office, i guess the people our brainwashed.

    April 17, 2010 at 12:11 a.m.