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I have a solution for the Emergency Center. Place it with the 911 operations area and if the Emergency coordinator needs to communicate with someone in the area he can yell across the room to the dispatchers for a link out.There! A couple of million saved.
bs-maybe i misunderstood. i guess you just like to play the devil's advocate.
jsutataxpayer, first of all i'm sure that you are more than "just" a taxpayer. you should give yourself more credit than that.
"Who should be concerned by over $220 million in capital spending in a down economy? Only those who have to pay for it over the next 18 years. That includes me."
i believe that the $220 million in capital investment in a down economy is a good thing. what good would it do to take money out of the economy? you act like the money is going to go into a few select pockets in town, never to be seen again.
who do you think works for CL Thomas, New Distributing, Krueger or anyone else you may want to name from the VEDC membership? it's your neighbors. other taxpayers. the people actually doing the work and collecting the paychecks. do the owners/shareholders make a good living? you bet, but i'm sure that they all have earned it. building thier business.
do you own your own business or are you a working stiff like the rest of us?
holein1: "...the usual "these crooks" type we get from justataxpayer and bs."
I said, "Either I'm overlooking something, the story left something out, or the county is dragging their feet for unseen reasons." How is this calling anyone a "crook"? It seems like it may be a combination of the three possibilities — I'm missing something, this is inadequate reporting, AND the county has reasons/plans which aren't readily available to the public.
Frankly, I think VicAd should take the lead on providing the Commissioners Court minutes in PDF format on their website so we can view the bid request, submitted bids, alternative plans, etc so we don't have to speculate when we're not given enough information.
Don't you have a natural curiosity to know why something like the following doesn't add up:The article says, "The county was hoping to pay for the new center with $1.455 million in grants, plus about $200,000 from the county and city." That's $1.655M in funds and the low bid was $1.474M, but Judge Pozzi said, "We obviously do not have the required funding to do everything right now."
If you know the answer to this riddle, please enlighten us. If you don't, wouldn't you like to know?
jared - thanks for sharing a view and experience that is different from the usual "these crooks" type we get from justataxpayer and bs. the only angles those guys seem to have are ones where we are being fleeced.
perhaps the reason for the high cost for the chairs has to do with OSHA compliance for a municipality. i'm not an expert but i'm sure there are plenty of "musts" a city or county has to do when making purchases for employees.
@BSspotter and @justataxpayer, I am all for making minutes open record. This is our county that is supported by her citizen tax dollars.
I just know that there is seldom a competitive bid without alternates of some sort or fashion. For example, the owner may want a better A/C unit and requests a price that be separate from a bid that includes a unit that will function for the time being but be out grown in the near future. This is just an example, I don't the details of this particular project.
justataxpayer, thanks for the kind comments; if you heard my confession, you may have a different opinion ;) but that stays in the box!
You're probably right, but whatever the case, this leaves one wanting for more information. If the meeting minutes were available online, we'd have our answers.
The county may be refering to the prices of the alternates. Sometimes, an owner will have a number of alternates that can affect the base bid. It is possible that the prices of the contractors mentioned in the article are based on the base bid price and the county may be seeking one, some, or all the alternates and those are what may be out of the price range at this time. I don't know the details in this particular project, just speculating from previous bidding experience.
It is possible that the low base bidder on any project may not be selected because the owner may choose to use the alternates which may make the low base bidder a higher bidder for the overall price including chosen alternates.
Am I missing something?
The article says, "The county was hoping to pay for the new center with $1.455 million in grants, plus about $200,000 from the county and city."
That's $1.655M in funds and the low bid was $1.474M, but Judge Pozzi said, "We obviously do not have the required funding to do everything right now." It's not obvious to me. Either I'm overlooking something, the story left something out, or the county is dragging their feet for unseen reasons.
VicAd: "Dean said she is talking with the contractors to see what can be done to bring their prices more in line with what the county anticipated."
Is justataxpayer right — are they looking for a way to give this contract to Clegg Services?
plainboring: "Do they even have a plan to keep water out of the basement when it floods...?"
Yes, it's called an emergency expenditure when it floods.
It's as easy as...1) PROBLEM: Build an emergency command center in a location likely to fail during an emergency2) REACTION: "The emergency command center was unforeseeably inadequate"3) SOLUTION: Build a bigger, "better" emergency command center (the one they really wanted)
Do they even have a plan to keep water out of the basement when it floods from a CAT 5 hurricane? Something tells me they did not look at the 1999 flooding down there. I don't think it would be amusing to watch over $1 million worth of infrastructure to be destroyed by water pouring into the basement.
What does a $1,000 chair look like! To me it looks like to much money for one chair! Are they encrusted with diamonds and gold to cost so much? Shame on you Victoria leaders! Shame on you. I could understand paying $100 for a nice chair or even less. My question is where did they purchase a chair for $1,000? I bet it was not in the city of Victoria! And they tell ME to SHOP Victoria. Do asa you say Leaders or lose your cusshy job.
Well said justataxpayer!