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  • The population of Texas only continues to grow, as it grows there will a need for more colleges and universities. Even if tuition continues the grows, the value of a college degree and advance degree over a lifetime will continue to justify the cost.

    December 22, 2010 at 2:26 p.m.
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    December 22, 2010 at 6:51 a.m.
  • Brady: I asked the same question and "The Staff" assures us they have inside information (but no direct quote) that several schools have interest in Victoria. I'm as dubious as you.

    As I've pointed out several times, the State is heading to times of shrinking revenue due to the sluggish economy, and I can't see them paying out even more when there are countless choices in advanced education within two hours of Victoria already.

    December 22, 2010 at 5:40 a.m.
  • What makes everyone so sure that another university system will be jumping at the chance to pick us up? Operating budgets have been slashed state wide, and at this point, this all just one big assumption. Here are a few reasons I think it will be very difficult for Victoria to sell this as a destination location:

    Texas A&M- San Antonio (Brand New Campus with 700 acres to build on), UTSA- 33,000 plus student entrollment (and growing), U of H, Rice, The University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M- Corpus Christi, Texas A&M- Kingsville, Texas A&M- College Station, St. Edwards, Incarnate Word, St. Mary's, UT-Brownsville, UT-Pan Am, TX A&M-International, Hutson Tillotson, Concordia, UH-Sugarland, UH-Cinco Ranch, Trinity, and there are several other reasons as well as all the college bound students from this area simply choosing other schools farther north or out of state schools.

    Someone tell me why a system (any system) would invest 100's of millions of dollars in building a destination 4 year university in Victioria, Texas, when clearly we sit right in the middle of prime recruiting grounds for all these other schools. Certainly this would make zero financial sense for A&M and or UT systems?

    December 21, 2010 at 11:37 a.m.
  • My reply to the Board is on this blog. http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/weblo...

    December 20, 2010 at 11:01 p.m.
  • I don't acknowledge the pseudo-official COE as having any authority/merit to make decisions for us.

    December 20, 2010 at 5:10 p.m.
  • VicAdStaff: "We're not exactly sure how a minarchist supports the existence of public universities, but that's probably a better discussion for a blog or a political essay."

    To say I support them is a stretch. I simply tolerate them as I have no other recourse.
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    VicAdStaff: "We disagree, of course, with your label of the Advocate's editorial board as Fascist..."

    There are degrees of Fascism, which is why I qualified it with "scaled-down" and "soft-n-squishy". Perhaps I should have used Corporatism since it doesn't carry a heavy connotation. After all, the Editorial Board's body of work does seem to promote a corporatocracy.
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    VicAdStaff: "Our family-owned business takes seriously the idea of service to the community. Its owners and employees get involved in a variety of ways, including serving on boards and commissions."

    Some citizens would argue that serving on the Commission on Education is not analogous with serving the community, but this isn't new information.

    December 20, 2010 at 1:19 p.m.
  • Robert,

    Our immediate plans for more coverage would be the results of the recent survey. We also will try to get more information on the interest of other systems, but we expect that won't be forthcoming until sometime closer to the start of the legislative session. We noted below our knowledge of that situation so far; we have not printed anything in a news story because this is secondhand information.

    We appreciate the efforts by you and others to keep this conversation on topic.

    Legion,

    You raise good logistical questions that we will try to answer as the process moves forward. We assume professors and support staff will remain in place, which was the experience in San Angelo when that school shifted from the Texas State to the Texas Tech system.

    BS,

    Thank you for elaborating on your political views as they relate to this discussion. We're not exactly sure how a minarchist supports the existence of public universities, but that's probably a better discussion for a blog or a political essay.

    We disagree, of course, with your label of the Advocate's editorial board as Fascist, but you certainly have a right to your opinion.

    We understand your interest in noting that one of our owners is a member of the Crossroads Commission. Our family-owned business takes seriously the idea of service to the community. Its owners and employees get involved in a variety of ways, including serving on boards and commissions. We certainly might find more ways to disclose all of the various ways we're involved on a personal level, particularly as it relates to highly newsworthy events.

    Kay McHaney's involvement on the Crossroads Commission already is public knowledge, but we're happy to emphasize the point here and to strongly disagree that her role there is to provide a mouthpiece in the community. Rather, this is one of many, many ways she has served this community.

    A recent story about her remarkable career may be found here:
    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...
    Full disclosure: The article is not long enough to fully acknowledge all she has done.

    December 20, 2010 at 11:36 a.m.
  • VicAdStaff: "Yes, Kay McHaney and John Roberts, Advocate co-owners, lead the Advocate's editorial board."

    I think McHaney's appointment to the COE should have been disclosed in the editorial for the edification of your readers. I'm not suggesting it's something intended to be hidden, but its inclusion sure would help your readers appreciate the grand "support" given by the EB members.
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    VicAdStaff: "... you and a couple of others might want to state upfront your Libertarian view that government should have no role in any of this."

    I think I've spelled out my positions on government very succinctly over the last 18 months. I have no illusions about govt ever receding from education nor am I certain of the practicality of such a relativistic action considering the blurred public-private lines in our economy. Yes, I am a (lowercase) libertarian on a national level but more of a minarchist locally because I acknowledge the necessity of minimal govt at the local level. Our ideas of what & how large govt should be is where we part ways, not on its existence.

    While we're discussing catch-all labels, let's examine the VicAd Editorial Board. When you total the views of the EB on matters of govt handouts to business, veiled tax increases, police checkpoints and the general size & scope of government, one could say they support a scaled-down, soft-n-squishy version of Fascism, which is a term I don't use lightly. To their credit, this has already been fully disclosed in a catalog of editorials, but the average citizen can't put a name to it.
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    VicAdStaff: "Should there even be a taxpayer-supported university?"

    From this point forward, yes, but who controls them is another matter. No, I don't advocate the abolition of public universities.

    Our "leaders" views on what initiates & sustains commerce is what is driving the wedge between them and the citizens. Most people recognize misguided bravado and slaphappy overconfidence when they see it, and they pay even closer attention when their wallets are being taken for a ride. While most can't cite the fundamental flaws when they suspect a cart is pulling a horse, they have the innate sense to know something isn't adding up. I suspect this is why McHaney is so valuable on the COE — the cart needs a publicist.

    December 20, 2010 at 10:41 a.m.
  • very, very interesting topic. it's a shame that some choose to come on here to just muddy the waters.

    people ask why the rush ? im guessing morrison is in a position to possibly make this happen now and might not be two years from now. that has to be a huge factor.

    two questions for vicad:

    has any other systems shown interest in absorbing uh-v or is that just the hope of morrison and the commission ?

    when will vicad print the next article on this topic ?

    id also like vicad for finally providing a place for a community discussion.

    December 20, 2010 at 12:51 a.m.
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    December 20, 2010 at 12:33 a.m.
  • "The rush to move (which again, isn't a rush as this has been building for years) is because the Texas legislature only convenes every two years. We have tremendous momentum within the community to make this change. No new system will make a move without community support and there's no telling what the scenario will be two years from now if a change is not made now."

    So, a $20 Billion budget shortfall facing the upcoming state legislature might be worse in another two years? That's not a optimistic view IMO.

    A few more questions I have... What will happen to all the current professors and support staff that currently work at the actual UHV campus here in Victoria if another University system takes over?
    Will the new system hire them?
    Or will they move to another UH campus and new people will be brought in?
    Will the tenured professors lose their tenure by making a change of employers?

    What if the new University system does not offer the classes that current UHV students are taking to receive their degree?

    True, the legislature can change the system running a campus with the stroke of a pen, however that does not answer my above questions.

    I fully support the University, be it UH or another system, but there are a lot of questions that need to be addressed if a change is made.

    The most important one, IMO, is the budget shortfall the state of Texas is facing. For the state legislature to vote to change the current University system is one thing, for them to vote to finance another public university system the funds to actually acquire the UHV campus is another.

    December 19, 2010 at 4:31 p.m.
  • Nicely said Thinksalot.

    December 19, 2010 at 1:41 p.m.
  • In the eyes of the UH regents, Victoria is a small but important cog in a much bigger machine. UHV supports the system with a nursing program and online courses that add significant value to the enterprise. I imagine that UHS does not want to lose these.

    Despite the value of UHV to the system, the UHS priority now is their focus on Tier 1 status and improvement of the metropolitan Houston campus. Unfortunately, this leaves limited resources to spend on a small-town outlier like ours. Other systems, however, do see the appeal of a destination university in a setting like this. And that's why it makes sense to align ourselves with one more willing and able to develop such universities outside the traditional home base.

    I'm not sure why all the negative comments are directed at those trying to make a difference in our community. Maybe it's a valid suspicion of secretive backroom deals designed to benefit a chosen few. Or maybe it's a simple need to find personal validation by derailing the ideas of "powerful" others.

    It would be nice if the UH System could put the interests of our community ahead of their own. I just don't see it happening.

    December 19, 2010 at 1:02 p.m.
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    December 19, 2010 at 12:08 p.m.
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    December 19, 2010 at 9:31 a.m.
  • Advocate Staff... thank you for your continued outstanding reporting and support of this issue.

    Many of you seem to believe that the government shouldn't pay for education at all and that's fine. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    For those that are okay with our educational system, I would ask you to understand the dymanics of this situation before jumping to the conclusion that this process is being rushed by our community leaders. The facts are that a four year destination university has been a priority of city leaders for many, many years. Prior to Dr. Hudson, former UHV President Karen Haynes had wanted this change for Victoria but was instructed to drop it by UHS and our local regent.

    Dr. Hudson, being the visonionary leader that he is, saw the need for the long term growth of education not only in Victoria but our region and Texas. He took the ball and ran with it, without the support of UHS. Under his direction UHV became a four year university, developed an outstanding sports program, added American Book Review, Centro Victoria and more.

    UHS has proved continually that they are not interested in developing UHV into the vibrant educational instutition that it has the potential to become. They've put forth plans to develop the current campus that show complete lack of thought and, in my opinion, only offered it to pacify locals critics.

    The rush to move (which again, isn't a rush as this has been building for years) is because the Texas legislature only convenes every two years. We have tremendous momentum within the community to make this change. No new system will make a move without community support and there's no telling what the scenario will be two years from now if a change is not made now.

    It's time for our community to look forward and partner with an institution that has the same goals as we do. I strongly encourage Representative Morrison to continue her efforts to move us to a new system.

    December 19, 2010 at 9:08 a.m.
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    December 19, 2010 at 8:50 a.m.
  • By the way, Edith, UHV recognizes Claud Jacobs as one of its biggest supporters, both financially and otherwise. To discount his informed views as "blatherings" is incorrect and probably should be removed as a personal attack, but we'll respond here rather than remove your entire comment.

    We also hope a link to a recent profile of Mr. Jacobs will help others know more about his many years of service to the community:
    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...

    December 19, 2010 at 8:13 a.m.
  • Pat,

    The hotel was in private hands. We'll have to dig into our archives to recall the hotel company that owned Jaguar Hall previously.

    We would note, though, that the UH System approved the purchase and inspected the premises. This was not the work of "local school officials." Hudson proposed a more permanent campus location so that the private sector would be willing to build a new dorm and lease that to the university rather than renovate an existing building, which is always problematic.

    In terms of recruiting the first freshman class, UHV had significant success doing so in the Valley and in the surrounding metro areas. Victoria can be appealing to those students who want to get away from but not too far from home.

    December 19, 2010 at 8:06 a.m.
  • Edith,

    Here is the link to Joe Wyatt's column about concerns regarding UH in the early years:
    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...

    To briefly respond to your other questions:

    "Tell me again why less than 700 students need more room on Ben Wilson and Red River when so many of the classes they are taking are online?"

    Jaguar Hall is full in its first year. If UHV is at least as successful in its recruiting efforts next year as it was in its first, a new dorm will be needed. Hudson tried to push a long-term plan for the campus. We've reported UH has no such plan for Victoria.

    Online courses serve a role, but they are not central to a dynamic destination university. If you want more online courses, then your position of opposing change is a correct one.

    "If some of us have a skewed perspective of this situation, why is that?

    We can't begin to answer for you, but we have seen you are predisposed to be against anything the newspaper is for. That's your right. We regularly quote people who offer a variety of views on any issue. Of course, with rare exceptions, these people need to be named to appear in our news stories.

    If anyone with a different opinion wants to appear before the next Crossroads Commission meeting and speak, we'll be sure to alert our news reporter.

    December 19, 2010 at 7:58 a.m.
  • Everything has already been beaten to death here so I'll just make acouple of personal comments:
    -Victoria is nestled nicely between four large cities, offering an attractive option for students there and in the Rio Grande Valley.
    I don't think we are NESTLED!lol Why would anyone from the Valley come to Victoria when ther are other schools a lot closer. Plus the problems that have already arisen with the poor palnning of the first freshamn class will likely be brought up by prospective new students.
    -The debacle with the purchase and rehab of the motels probably showed more about the inability of the local school officials to manage the school expansion they all want so much to the forefront.
    I would still like to know who owned the two motels when they were purchased for $9,000,000 and one had to be torn down because it was not fit for peopel to live in because of mold. This is getting confusing even to me.
    One alst thing-Get off of Edith's case. She asks the hard question and you don't seem to have hard answers for her.
    Patrick Barnes

    December 19, 2010 at 7:44 a.m.
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    December 19, 2010 at 7:39 a.m.
  • Edith,

    To answer your question again, you cite several accomplishments at UHV in recent years. We agree that's more of what we want to see in the future. The UH System does not, as evidenced by many actions, including the removal of the president who made these successes happen.

    In terms of next steps, every state university is a product of the legislature. That's where the community needs to take the discussion. Realignment can happen with the stroke of a pen:
    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...

    BS,
    Yes, Kay McHaney and John Roberts, Advocate co-owners, lead the Advocate's editorial board. This family-owned newspaper has for generations supported the community in many ways and has been blessed to be an integral part of it. This editorial position and many others reflect their years of involvement and caring for the community and, likewise, the community's investment in and support of its newspaper.

    In terms of helping others understand the positions of all concerned, you and a couple of others might want to state upfront your Libertarian view that government should have no role in any of this. Should there even be a taxpayer-supported university? That's not a criticism -- it's a perfectly valid political position to take -- but it helps to inform this discussion.

    Just a Taxpayer,
    Retail growth is great, but it's built on the backs of primary jobs. That's why VEDC worked so hard to bring Caterpillar to town. Those 500 or 1,000 or perhaps more jobs will do great things for building retail. In terms of your question about changes at UHV, these have been bewing for about as long as UH has been in Victoria. Please see RUSerious' link to former legislator Joe Wyatt's guest column.

    Bighorn,
    The other systems don't want to comment publicly until community leaders are ready to move forward with legislation. We have spoken with several leaders who have had direct conversations with other interested systems.

    In terms of the location of a new campus, certainly that would be re-examined by any new system. A debate about the cost and location of a road to one proposed location is extraneous here because that issue has not been decided.

    Hope that helps to address all of your questions. Again, we encourage everyone to write letters to the editor on this important subject. They carry much more weight than the comments here.

    December 19, 2010 at 6:09 a.m.
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    December 19, 2010 at 1:19 a.m.
  • bighorn said: "If access to the proposed land donation is so important, isn't it less expensive to reach it from the airport to the east, rather than extend Airline from the west?"

    If feasibility, practicality and affordability were the leading factors, you'd have a point, but when real estate developers contribute to political campaigns via orgs like TREPAC, all bets are off. Decisions begin to lack reason and appear arbitrary & cronyistic.

    December 19, 2010 at 12:45 a.m.
  • We have yet to hear from any other system that they are interested in the Victoria Campus, regardless of it's location. Has the "Staff" contacted TT, UT, or TAMU to get their comment.

    Is there a reporter in the house?

    If access to the proposed land donation is so important, isn't it less expensive to reach it from the airport to the east, rather than extend Airline from the west?

    December 19, 2010 at 12:31 a.m.
  • Bud,

    I'm sure Walt Disney would have faced many naysayers if his visions weren't funded with private dollars. Our local "leaders" want to build Candy Land on our dime. If you want to partner with someone, find some private investors. Don't do us any favors by thinking you know how to best spend & borrow us into prosperity. Having a vision for our community is fine, but so far, all I've seen from our "leaders" is a bunch of collectively schizophrenic, counter-intuitive words & actions that have little regard for our wallets. If your visions don't mesh with the values & principles of the community, you should expect this kind of blowback.

    December 18, 2010 at 11:27 p.m.
  • Thanks BS for the update on the Leaders. I've seen Waco, the four year school and I've seen Lake Travis ISD. I'll vote for Victoria to be like Lake Travis.

    December 18, 2010 at 11:23 p.m.
  • When you examine the Commission on Education (COE) roster closely, you can see where the priorities lie:

    4 VEDC Board Members (Patillo, Lyon, McLarry, Blanchard)
    3 UHV Board Members (Hudson, Jacob, Butler)
    2 DeTar Board Members (Sanders, Blanchard)
    1 token VC Board Members (Walker)
    1 token VISD Board Member (Moore)
    9 others

    ( Who's who in the COE: www.victoriawatchdogs.com/diagram )

    If K-12 was a priority, I'd expect to see a couple elected VISD officials or even teachers on the COE.

    Can the VicAd Staff assure us that Kay McHaney's (Editorial Board Member) placement on the COE had no influence on the publishing of this editorial?

    December 18, 2010 at 11:13 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 11:10 p.m.
  • Mr. Bud
    I think your post is relevant but would you please put some spaces or commas and paragraphs in there . Not to be critical, I just want to be able to understand.
    Thanks Bud

    December 18, 2010 at 11:08 p.m.
  • Gosh, I love all of the comments. Especially love the conspiracy theories. And the naysayers. I mean you have to have them I suppose, but the thought comes to me about the time Walt Disney flew into Orlando on that less than desirable land and said here is my vision and this is what we are going to create. I wonder what the naysayers said at the time. Yep just about the same thing. Well as they say time will tell and it sure did. Who knew that would ever come to fruition. Now I am not suggesting that this is anywhere that kind of stretch. But have you taken the time to visit with any of our past state representatives about their experience with UHS? Have you really done any research on your own? Yes I know it looks like they are "doing something" but I am not am not buying it. From the get go UHS really did not support the downward expansion. When people tell you who they are believe them. Why did the idea of a four year university have to come from us?? Wouldn't it make sense that if you had someone looking out for your future that they would be doing all in their power to make you as successful as possible. Nope that didn't happen. You have to have leadership and that only came from Tim Hudson. It didn't come from Houston. So what do they do in support of UHV? Remove the leader at the most critical time. Surely that had to make you pause? No? I know we have to worry about the road out to donated land that hasn't even happened. That's just noise. With a new system all of that is off the table as far as I am concerned. No the plans would start off on a clean slate. I am moving along to join the group of leaders who do have the best interest of Victoria and the Golden Crescent who are looking for a partner who will help us become the best we can be. With the proper partner this area will flourish for many years to come. It will not be Orlando but I would like to think that we had the foresight to change partners to a more dynamic can do system than we have now that will make this that vibrant city that we all surely want. Because with our present partner you will see mediocrity at best. Just look at our history prior to Tim Hudson. That is not acceptable. You see, we know what is possible because we have seen a glimpse of the future. Why don't you suspend your disbelief, do your research, and come join us for an exciting future. Send in your comments about what you want for our four year university.

    December 18, 2010 at 10:48 p.m.
  • If I was a Leader, I would ask for donations for the Victoria East Titans. They were coached and played a great football season. Today Lake Travis won their fourth straight 4A Championship. 27-7 with their fourth head coach in the last four or five years. Denton scored only one touchdown.
    Thanks Titans! See y'all next year.

    December 18, 2010 at 10:23 p.m.
  • Does Victoria really need another Chinese buffet? Do we really need to build better roads or expand the old ones? Do we really need any other companies or entrepeneurs coming into town to invest in businesses and creating more job opportunites when people aren't moving here or returning here to work? Are you serious!? This town is not going to remain what it is today, we are the regional hub. WE have to decide what it is going to be. Growth happens.

    Why do you think UHV is now a four year university? It's not because it was the UH System's idea or even the idea of the plutocrats. It was the vision of Tim Hudson to expand our university, to make it a destination university. He saw the potential in our community.

    The people of Victoria rallied behind the idea, knowing it was a good thing for our city and for our kids. When Welcome Wilson, chair of the board of regents for the UH system, came to town to head the panel to explore whether or not to downward expand, he was not in favor of it at all. Witnessing his demeanor while conducting these meetings, with Ron Walker of the VC board, made it even more important that the community come out and show that we did want to be a four year institution so that the children of our area would not have to travel farther than a few hours away for their education. It also would insure that those kids could stay close to their families, even living at home if need be. The day came for the public to comment and the house was packed! Janie Lack held up a poster size picture of it the last time the regents met at UHV earlier this year. It was an awesome sight when it happened and it was an awesome sight then. Did any of you happen to be there?

    If you think that the UH system has always been a supportive partner, then you missed Joe Wyatt's guest column of October 1, 2010. Read the history before singing the praises of UH.

    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...

    It really makes one wonder what if we would have waited those two years and been part of the UT system? Would we be as big and well thought of as UTTyler? If we don't move forward now, we will never know if that could even be possible for Victoria. UH doesn't want that for us, they only want Tier 1 status. Instead of thinking of us as a step-child, they should view us as a stepping stone to their goal. Let's move forward and find a supportive partner to build a better university and a better community for all of us.

    December 18, 2010 at 10:11 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 6:45 p.m.
  • The Leaders may read so here are some survey comments.

    Since Higher Education is in for a budget cut of 25% the next several years, please do not tax the locals.

    This observation is because the City of Victoria is in big debt, up to 200 million dollars( sewer plant, water plant, firestations, roads and utilities) and climbing (Airline extension, sidewalks, airport tanks) which is after the VISD 150 million debt......YIKES. No more debt even though Caterpillar is coming.

    I know this is a negative comment but no more negative that when my daughter asks me to buy something for her and I have to to explain "no I'm sorry honey, our City expects its money first".

    December 18, 2010 at 6:33 p.m.
  • Good article about Hudsons reassignment, but no where in that article did it say that he considered Jaguar Hall as a temporary solution to student housing as you comment suggested... "The building of the student housing started under Tim Hudson's time as UHV president. He also saw this as only a temporary solution to projected growth and pushed for a plan beyond this one dorm in a less-than-perfect location off campus."

    If I was on the board of regents and Mr. Hudson actually said that a $9 Million investment was only a "temporary" housing solution to VicAd or anyone else, well ... no wonder he was reassigned.

    I think the most pertinent part of the article was the last paragraph....

    "I think Tim Hudson was caught in a position in which he was probably getting a lot of local pressure and pressure from the system," Golden said. "He got put in the crossfire, in my opinion."

    Now, we know who the system is, UH, the local pressure, obviously, was from local leaders, who as I said before, want things their way or, we will find another University system to do what we want.

    If you want to blame anyone for the removal of Mr. Hudson, I suggest you start with the Crossroads Commission on Education, certain city and county officials and the editorial position taking by the VicAd itself.

    December 18, 2010 at 6:09 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 6:08 p.m.
  • I wonder if this survey will be on the same level as the survey that initiated the Lone Tree Hike & Bike Trail. Best I remember less then 200 people expressed an opinion in favor of that fiasco.

    Anyone want to venture a guess as to how many responses there will be to this current survey? I would be surprised if it hits even the 200 mark. 200 out of 60,000 plus in population does not consistute overwhelming support. My guess would be that if 51% of the responses are in agreement with VICAD it will be reported as overwhelming support.

    December 18, 2010 at 6:03 p.m.
  • Thanks Staff I saw those two questions. I thought the survey might include 15 or 20 questions.
    Thanks for your help.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:42 p.m.
  • for anyone here that left victoria to attend college (especially in a smaller town), you understand how that college absolutely is a financial boom for that city.

    if there's a chance of turning uh-v into a destination college, it would change this city.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:41 p.m.
  • Legion,
    This article is a good one for explaining Tim Hudson's plans for growth and how those ran afoul of the UH System, which never intended to create a destination university:
    http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...

    December 18, 2010 at 5:32 p.m.
  • Texas A&M-Kingsville has always been a destination university and has almost a 100 year tradition behind it, to even talk about UH-V in the same light is laughable.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:31 p.m.
  • one commenter on here is hands down the most 'victoria' negative commenter on here. i can read a story and almost guess their comments.

    it's pretty obvious that u of h has no plans for uh-v. if the school is going to grow it needs to realign with another system or keep crying until something changes.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:25 p.m.
  • Woof,
    The survey questions are listed above with the editorial.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:22 p.m.
  • Thanks Staff, what are the questions?

    December 18, 2010 at 5:20 p.m.
  • Here is the Leaders survey:
    http://survey.constantcontact.com/sur...

    Thanks,

    Woofwoof

    December 18, 2010 at 5:18 p.m.
  • Woof,
    If you are having trouble with the online link, you might try this route:
    You may mail your answers to the Victoria Chamber of Commerce, 3404 N. Ben Wilson St. Victoria, TX 77901.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:13 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 5:09 p.m.
  • Survey still won't open.

    Guess it's not that important for the leaders to know our thoughts and observations. But that's OK, I knew that already.

    December 18, 2010 at 5:03 p.m.
  • Legion,

    Glad to try to answer your questions:

    Yes, UH has been in Victoria for about 30 years. The building of the student housing started under Tim Hudson's time as UHV president. He also saw this as only a temporary solution to projected growth and pushed for a plan beyond this one dorm in a less-than-perfect location off campus.

    Yes, the Crossroads Commission has worked on other issues besides UHV's future. In our opinion, UHV's future is currently the one the commission has the most ability to affect.

    Yes, UHV added sports teams under the direction of Hudson.

    Glad to hear you support the expansion of UHV. We encourage all to focus on this support rather than the debate about where an expanded campus will best work. The time for that debate will come after the Victoria campus has a partner focused on growth.

    You also cite other city issues, but we continue to maintain this one is, by far, the most important one.

    History Major, Kingsville and the other cities already have destination universities, and we congratulate them for that. Our point here is that Victoria can achieve this as well.

    December 18, 2010 at 4:30 p.m.
  • This editorial reflects the position of the Advocate editorial board. The names of those members are in the paper every day. The comments here elaborate on the board's position because you asked direct questions that seemed to call for a response.

    The negativity of your regular anonymous comments speak for themselves. You routinely criticize the city, the county, the school district, VEDC -- you name it.

    You're fee to have your opinions -- and you're free to be called out on them. You confuse stifling with disagreeing strongly. Stop by our news meeting at 10 a.m. weekdays if you'd like to meet. Or come to our editorial board meetings at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday if you want to sway the board's opinions. We extend that invitation to everyone in the community.

    We look forward to your signed letter to the editor. Surely, you're proud of your position on this matter of high community importance. It matters much too much to sit on the sidelines.

    We also look forward to the results of the survey to see who is in the majority. We hold this community in the highest regard. It's full of people who care and work hard to make a difference.

    To repeat the key issue here: A thriving destination university would forever change the face of this community.

    December 18, 2010 at 4:19 p.m.
  • Just a question or a few...

    Has the UH system not had a campus in Victoria for over 30 years?
    Despite the departure of Mr. Hudson, did the UH system follow through with the purchase of property for about $4M to convert into student housing, even though half of it was unusable, but the system did follow through correct?

    Wasn't it proclaimed that the Crossroads Commission on Education is concerned about every year of education, not just the goal of expanding a University campus?

    Has the UH system expanded the Victoria campus to include Baseball, Softball and just this past year Soccer teams?

    Finally, despite comments to the contrary, IMO, every single resident of Victoria supports the expansion of the local university campus. What a lot of us have is a concern about is the way some in the community are, face it, more or less telling the UH system "Do it our way, or we will shop around for somebody willing to."

    And all the implications involved for we, the taxpayers. $9M to extend Airline to donated property for a new UHV campus, the VC board has said they have no intention of purchasing the current UHV infrastructure.

    You know, at one time the overpasses were considered the highest priority for the city and county, then a great thing happened, the Cat factory, all of the sudden the overpasses weren't such a priority anymore. UHV announces downward expansion and every single leader thought it was great, then the land was offered as a donation, and Airline road just had to be extended, it was a priority. Now all of the sudden Riverside Park does not have enough parking, it is a priority.

    Let's add up these priority s, some that are no longer a priority.

    Overpasses $14M, or more last I heard.

    Airline extension $9M.

    Rebuild John Stochbauer for the Cat plant $?

    Purchase more land to give to Cat support Companys $500K

    Beautify down town sidewalks $400K more than building regular sidewalks, (BTW, the ADA requirements for wheelchair access on sidewalks is only a 20 year old law.)

    New parking in the park $300K , at least.

    And who knows what the next priority will be, we can't forget the splash pad park, that is another priority.


    December 18, 2010 at 4:18 p.m.
  • Victoriaadvocatestaff I currently attend Texas A&M Kingsville and I am offended by your comment about what your comment implies about the town and the university. Have you bothered to look at the rapid expansion A&M Kingsville has undergone in the past two years? Enrollment has grown and continues to grow with each semester. The campus is growing as are the academic programs. I would say that Kingsville has the potential to be a destination university faster than you think. So before dogging on other cities do some research.

    December 18, 2010 at 4:04 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 3:52 p.m.
  • What makes Victoria ready for a destination university? Let's start with a community of people ready to make it happen. A better question for you: Why are you so negative about a place where you choose to live?

    What makes Kingsville or Tyler or Huntsville or San Angelo ready for a destination university? Victoria is in a much better position than any of these cities to have a thriving destination university.

    Why is everything an emergency? Again, you're entirely missing the point. The Victoria campus needs to realign precisely because more planning is needed. UH has no vision for the campus here. It's focused on running a metro system. The accomplishments you cite happened in spite of, not because of, the UH System.

    The system's response to these recent successes was to reassign the president most responsible for making them happen. How about trying to get involved in pushing for positive change rather than sitting in the shadows and attacking everyone who tries to do something?

    December 18, 2010 at 3:11 p.m.
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    December 18, 2010 at 2:59 p.m.