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You have stated jurisdiction of state, local and the fed, the Texas penal code gives some federal agencies the authority to enforce state law in the state of Texas. The state and local officers do have some federal authority to enforce certain federal laws which do over lap each other. If you go to the Texas Penal Code you will find that to be true.
J...I didn't say you are "progressive." And, no, I don't know your ideology. I sometimes have a hard time understanding your comments due to your creative spelling and innovative grammar.
Me laughing? Nope. I am still against the Arizona Law as it is unconstitutional regardless of the reason.
Are you are trying to pin as being a progressive????? That is so rich. I guess in your world, if it’s not black, then it has to be white. Or if its not sweet, it has to be sour. You should already know by countless blogs and comments where my ideology lay. I do not claim progressivism as my ideology, although I do agree with some of it.
Uhhhh, Speakup...It wasn't ME who said locals can't enforce federal immigration laws. It was Writein who wrote in RESPONSE to me:
"Waywardwind. The Immgration laws should be only enforced by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. As a liberiatrian, you should have know this."
I said that I understood the feds were supposed to enforce the law, but they weren't doing it. That was why Arizona passed the laws they did and other states are planning to follow suit.
This is rich! It's the first time anybody EVER mixed me up with Big J. I bet he's laughing about it, too. I NEVER said the locals can't enforce federal law. The way I see things is that the state and local cops are necessary to the enforcement of federal laws simply because there are so many more of them than there are feds. Pardner, you need to go back and re-read the posts from Writein and me. You've got it bass-ackward. But, like I said the other day, I don't take offense.
After reading these posts, I've come to the conclusion that all of the political correctness is making our Country weak.The law needs the authority to do what it takes to uphold our laws, reguardless of nationality, or who it might offend.Face it, we are becoming the laughing stock of the world. Every other Country protects themselves from invaders, but we have to cater to them and pay their way, and goodness no, we much not offend them.
after reading all the posts, Ive formed the opnion that most here are agreeable to such checkpoints. When I first moved to Victoria, I remember several times going through them. One officer had a problem with me driving a car not listing me as driver on the insurance card. (It was a company car and all drivers employed by then were covered) Never the less, Id rather have that hassle than have to be walking the path I walk right now. Unlicensed driver totals one of my vehicles. The kid walks, after leaving the scene of the accident (He had drugs in his vehicle, a witness saw him pitch them out on a county rd). His Insurance paid nothing, Now I pay a heck of a lot higher rate because I was a good person and carried insurance. His family has no assets for my insurance company to sue over, so guess what...........I got the short end of the stick. I dont know if they still do, I came here from Corpus Christi, and when I left there, if you drove without license, you were arrested and jailed and your car impounded. If you were driving someone elses car, they were charged also with allowing you to do that. Perhaps that is city ordinance rather than state law, but Im telling you it works.
I do applaud the Police Department for their effort in trying to stop drugs and guns; however the method is in question, using a driver license check point is nothing more than a decoy to push the envelope on probable cause and the 4th amendment. Does anyone really think the officers walked out of their briefing, “I’m excited to see how many tickets we can write,” I don’t think so they walked out saying, “I wonder how many drugs and guns we will find.” That has to be the true intent of their operation, otherwise the operation would have reveled nothing more than harassment by the police Department and man hours wasted just to check drivers license.
Writein...Yeah, the feds are SUPPOSED to enforce the immigration laws, but they don't. If they did, Arizona wouldn't have felt it necessary to pass the laws they have. I don't have to be libertarian to know that the feds are failing to protect the border. Even a "progressive" should know that. Of course, "progressives" welcome the illegals and look for ways to fast track them into voters.
The Immgration laws should be only enforced by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. As a liberiatrian, you should have know this.
I have to say AMEN !!!!!!!!
You qouted the paper correct, but if you notice the paper did not use that as a quote, meaning that may not be exactly what was said, meaning the paper may have got it wrong. Also in that section of the story they were talking about all law enforcement, not just Victoria or Texas law enforcement. So by your standards they would be correct, "Police say checkpoints, used to check for driver's licenses and vehicle registrations, help to keep the city's streets and highways safe." Meaning police around the Nation use these types of checkpoints.
If you were to read further into the article you would see where the paper actually quoted someone and inticated that by use of quotation marks. The quote was from Police Chief Ure. So you dont have to look back through the article, I will post it here for you.
"I can tell you our officers were instructed to check every vehicle coming through the checkpoint ..." Ure said. "They were also instructed that the intent was to check for insurance and a valid driver's license. If they observed anything illegal through the Plain View Doctrine, then we clearly expected them to further act upon it."
No where in the direct quote did the Police Chief say he instructed his offciers to check for registrion.
Now do you have any other gripes about this checkpoint? I think getting these drivers off the streets who don't obey the license and insurance rules is a great thing. If they don't obey those to simple rules, whats to make them obey the rest. They obviously don't care about the laws.
"Police say checkpoints, used to check for driver's licenses and vehicle registrations, help to keep the city's streets and highways safe."
It seems that the police are carrying out illegal instructions and mandates if they are requiring that drivers have their vehicle's registration papers with them. It is NOT required in the state of Texas. It is in California and a few other states, but not here.
Highway 59/Moody is not considered a major thoroughfare? How about they just build booths in the middle of roads/streets as permanent checkpoints? Or better yet, you have vehicles that will not start without a breathalyzer test, why not build them a driver license card swipe.
To begin I support the police check points. If a driver does not have a license or insurance or there is evidance that a crime has been reported this is good. Now the illigal issue. How do you choose who might be illigal? Speech? Skin color? Shape of eyes? Some one you don't like? Careful folks, this is a very slippery slope. Also you may find out someone in your family or you look like a person that might be....arrested!
Good for the VPD. If they catch "illegal aliens" then good for them! They are "i-l-l-e-g-a-l". If you are "illegal" then you should be detained and deported or jailed. Police typically look for "illegal" activity. Because if your "illegal" you are breaking the law. I hope the VPD continues to hunt for illegal activities.
If ya'll would read my original post I didn't say that illegals are the only ones that should have their automobiles towed. I posted that anyone driving without a valid license or insurance should be towed.
Bullet Bob Brace,Moulton, Texas
abovblo..."Bottom line why weren't the so called americans arrested too? Why just the Illegals. Someone's rights were violated."
Why were just the illegals arrested?!? Uhhh, maybe BECAUSE they're illegal? And, what rights are you referring to? They have the right to be sent back to whatever hellhole country they came from.
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I was waiting for someone to say something about the Illegals. The checkpoint was done incorrectly. The people who did not have a dl were ticketed and those who did not have one and were "Illegal" were arrested. Bottom line why weren't the so called americans arrested too? Why just the Illegals. Someone's rights were violated. The victoria pd was just looking for a reason to find illegals. Believe me when I say the two that were arrested had no dl but were illegals.
Thank you for that quote There are too people in this nation who say “ I have nothing to hide” or “Lighten up” . These people would rather to be sheep being sent to the slaughter house. Instead of being Americans who question the powers of the government. The police have no right to stop anyone without due process, in a time of peace, or where no crime occur.
Thank you for that quote There are too people in this nation to say “ I have nothing to hide” or “Lighten up” . These people would rather to be sheep being sent to the slaughter house. Instead of being Americans who question the powers of the government. The police have no right to stop anyone without due process and in a time of peace.
Those fools willing to give up essential freedoms for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety.
@ Bullet Bob, you mention Houston, however I too had a accident which was here in Victoria. I was not at fault and the other driver did not have insurance. The officer towed the woman's car stating it was their policy to tow uninsured vehicles they stop or work wrecks on. Might want to check your facts before commenting.
Waywardwind I agree about the traffic in Houston and I moved out here in 76 to get away from it. The problem with Victoria is it looks like Houston did in the 60s and 70s and growing more and more. In the 80s and 90s I worked for Delta Drilling in the oilfield and their office was located in Victoria. I've watched it grow for about the last thirty years. To someone that lives there it's not as noticeable as for someone that come to town every so often.
Bullet Bob Brace,Moulton, Texas
Dang, Bullet, who xxxxed in your Post Tosties? I lived in Houston for 25 years and have had all of Houston traffic I want. It's not something I pine for now that I live in Victoria. As for as the user name, it's within the rules of the forum.
Good comeback BulletBob!!!
I drive in Houston, Victoria and San Antonio quite often. I also grew up just outside of Houston in the 50s, 60s and early 70s. I learned how to drive there. So what is your point. By the way why don't you post your name instead of hiding behind some avatar. Mine is Bob Brace and when I post a comment which isn't very often because of idiots like you who hide your identity and make stupid post. I'm not scared to let people know who I am.
Some idiodic folk need to get out of Moulton more often and drive in Houston.
How many of the citations were for no drivers license and valid insurance. In my opinion if you are driving without a license and/or insurance your automobile should be tow until you can prove you can drive legally. My daughter got rearended in Houston by a driver that had no insurance and all the driver got was a citation and was told to reimburse my daughter's insurance company. Now the other driver cannot be located and my daughter is stuck with the deductable and was told her premiums would go up if they were not reimbursed. The main problem is that Victoria is like Houston a sanctary city and the police turn a blind eye to those driving illegally because they might find out that they're illegal aliens and they wouldn't want to do that.
I agree, they should continue the checks. I also would like to see the PD put someone at a traffic signal to catch red light runners. There is almost always at least one car that comes through after the light turns red.
They need to do this more often.