Sun Valley & Bluebonnet Convention Center

Victoria is going to become another San Marcos as soon as cows grow wings.

"Who are these people and where are my clothes?"

I might be posting this a little late but I just got through reading about all the hoopla that was caused by the Road House. Good gosh almighty this is why Victoria will always be known as a back wards city. This was for only one night and for a good cause. If anything the Road House should apologize for waking up the early snoozers roosters.

Gonzales has a wonderful bouquet. Cow patties on the south and chicken dropping on the north. They're no one-trick pony like Luling.

Sorry, bad example -- the burning leaves were meant to create an unpleasant odor. Let's try fertilizing the backyard with chicken crap upwind instead. That way, it'll only offend the senses without causing bodily harm. After all, we've shown that a farmer can offend an entire region with that smell.

exresidient, I can't disagree with you in principle, but would that business-saving event have to occur on a weeknight beyond 10pm? I'm only trying to raise awareness that time & place are the critical components which determine a mid-town, outdoor concert's acceptance. This event isn't doing a nightlife movement any favors. I wouldn't have posted a peep had this happened on a Friday night past 10pm. Yep, people work on Saturday morning too, but this is about perception & expectation. I was totally unaffected by this event, but I couldn't sit on my hands while legitimate complaints were being dismissed.

Having lived in Austin less than 1,000ft from a dive that had indoor (but loud) live music until midnight that would rattle my windows, my expectations were adjusted to my surroundings. In Primrose and surrounding neighborhoods in Victoria, there is a different expectation (& corresponding city code) which must be respected.

And this is only a property rights issue if a property owner claims it to be. You can allow anyone to do anything (legal) on your property with your permission. Maybe to prove a point, a nearby disgruntled homeowner should burn wet leaves in his BBQ pit upwind from a late-weeknight outdoor concert to see if anyone cries foul. It's not as creative as banging symbols. (:

I can have a good time with the best of them, but I have a conscience. I might just walk away from this issue and let it play out. We'll see if anyone lays claim to their property rights.

(Side note: Having a fair understanding of propagating wave theory, additive interference patterns, resonance frequencies, and physics in general, I can appreciate how sound effects different locations in different ways. Expecting only adjacent homes to feel the effects of an outdoor concert is ill-conceived.)

vox, you're correct. Shutting it down at 10pm (very reasonable for a Wednesday) probably would've gone a long way for folks who didn't get notified. I think the response to the complaints has been extreme. Getting complaints to a post-10pm, mid-city, weeknight, outdoor concert doesn't mean Victorians don't want to have events like this. It means there are (perhaps flexible) expectations for when & where these things should occur. None of us is entitled to have a good time at another's expense. It's a given that you'll never be able to please everyone, but you can sure start out by deliberating over how to displease the fewest number of people who have reasonable expectations of quiet in their homes.

The "for the troops" argument is getting tired. This was a poorly-planned event, PERIOD. How about having a more community-friend charity event next time. Does anyone else see the contradiction in having a charity event for troops that imposes on private property rights?

So a local establishment decides to hold a concert. In an effort to be considerate (since this seems to be a sticking point for some folks here), the establishment contacts residents in the immediate vicinity and even provides gift bags--they also complied with officers' requests to turn the music down. On top of this a portion of the proceeds went to the troops. Seems to me if they would have shut down at 10 p.m. then no one could complain (by law). That's the only thing they really have to change for next time.

I suppose I could understand all the complaints a little bit more if loud music just appeared out of nowhere one Wednesday night, but this was St. Patrick's Day, resident's were notified, and it didn't last until the wee hours. I hear just as much noise from the stadium during football season...and that is on a regular basis, not a one time 'holiday' show.

Side note:
The park is a ridiculous suggestion--there was a big (successful) event held there a while back...ONE TIME. Why? Complainers and logistics.

Events like this bring money to the community. Victoria has a long history of shutting things like this down (Armadillo Confab, Macaroni Festival, Street Dances, etc.) and it's not helping our tax base--all because of a few people.

Rebecca said: "I say bring on the bands and let those who would like to move to a more quiet location take advantage of the tax credit ? going on right now."

That's the spirit. Let's not give any consideration to location, time, day, or volume. You don't like it, you can move to a different home, regardless of whether you've lived there for decades before Texas Roadhouse was built.

This disregard for the sanctity of the interior of private residences after 10pm on weeknights is getting out of hand. Can anyone admit there are limits to when & where an outdoor concert should be held, or have we regressed to the point where we're OK with pissing on people as long as we're having a good time?

When I lived in Houston, I attended many concerts. They were, however, in venues that did not allow the music to bother people who didn't want to participate. Those concerts were in the Music Hall, Coliseum, Jones Hall, The Summit, many at the Astrodome (including one ear-splitting performance by the Beach Boys), and Miller Outdoor Theater at Hermann Park. They not only didn't offend people who DIDN'T want to hear them, they also prevented people who DID want to hear but didn't want to pay from hearing the concert.

The story said the organizers donated ten percent to the troops. If seven-hundred people attended (I presume they paid for the privilege) and four bands were hired along with security, I wonder how much actual money was donated. Was if fifty bucks, five-hundred?

Front row seat in your own backyard?

I say bring on the bands and let those who would like to move to a more quiet location take advantage of the tax credit ? going on right now. I can see inviting friends over for BBQ and taking lawn chairs out to enjoy the live music under the stars.

exresident, I think you and I are on the same page on this. I prefer voluntary cooperation over laws of minutia. In Victoria, there is an expectation of quiet at certain times. In bigger cities, expectations (and laws) have changed over time to suit the evolution of the community.

My final conclusion:
If Victorians want successful nighttime events like this or an eventual flourishing nightlife, they have to attempt to do it within the limits of the community's expectations of noise limits, and over time, those expectations can & will change. There is a lot of validity in those complaints. If you guys would take a moment to understand those complaints, you might find a solution to those complaints. I want a thriving market for entertainment in Victoria, including this type of event, but it should be embraced by a critical mass (not a simple majority) of those who'd be impacted. Having a blasé attitude about Victorians' exceptions of peace & quiet will only buy you a fight. Try a more thoughtful & tactful approach. You can't continue to rely on emotional arguments like "It's for the troops, the children, the disabled, etc."

is glad he got out of Victoria. An event to benefit troops and everyone is crying foul because of outdoor live music?? Wow, stay in your homes and never come out

SO JUST HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY REALLY RAISE FOR THE TROOPS??? ANYONE KNOW???

You guys are acting like this was the only time and place this event could have occurred. Planning an outdoor concert on a Wednesday night until 11:30pm (10:40pm) immediately by a neighborhood is begging for rightful complaints. Complaining about the complaints is shortsighted. The Fun Police aren't out to get you.

Red Rage.

I can't wait myself.

I think its great that Victoria is having concerts and stuff. I read the advocate all the time and I'm always hearing people complain that there is nothing to do...then finally there is something to do and what do you do? Complain! Jeez! I can't wait until UHV students start taking over the city LOL

Ljb08.

I hope Victoria will turn into a San Marcos. It would shake things up. Hopefully, Victoria will have more balance and diversity.

I could understand if this was an attempt to make a lot of money, but was a charity event. So how could these people be SELFISH, EGOTISTICAL, GREEDY, CARELESS, SELF-CENTERED. Cmon N45BA, and everyone else who feels the same way!

Looks they did everything they could to warn people about the event. I hope they do this again. It was for a good cause.

exresident, I sincerely want you to tell me if I'm off base on my argument here. I certainly respect your opinion in this area. I've yet to here a compelling argument that can't be summed up as me just not wanting Victoria to have anything fun to do, which is not my purpose at all.

This is an area where property rights gets sticky. In Austin, an equilibrium has been achieved over the years. In Victoria, it's not completely understood or accepted that a band might fire up in a parking lot in the middle of town on a weeknight. Since property rights are somewhat based on your claim on them, Victoria contrasts with Austin by the level of claim on noise imposing on your property rights. I'm not suggesting Victoria won't or shouldn't get to a point where noise is accepted. I just think we should tread carefully & respectfully.

exresident said: "I assume that you made sure all of the conditions were met (sound measuring device at the property, the sound there exceeded 60, etc.) for an "offense" before you appealed to the law, right?"

Nope, I presented the law as written and a decibel chart explaining the decibel equivalents stated in the code. It's open to interpretation. I hated citing the law, but my appeals to respect private property fell on deaf ears. I know that bombarding private property with noise isn't your classic case, but it's a case nonetheless. There were numerous ways this could have been avoided. If we're to avoid being overrun by laws, we must respect the most basic rights of others.

The private property rights of Texas Roadhouse do not trump a single right of a single individual outside of that property line. It really bums me out that this is in the context of 700 people having a good time, but I can guarantee you that the number of people imposed upon wasn't limited to those who formally complained.

My utopia is to have a society of voluntary cooperation necessarily driven by mutual respect for each other's rights, so I guess my ideals are getting the best of me. With the way Victoria has tolerated the raping of their economic liberties (& property rights, I suppose) with the absurd property taxes, I don't expect them to recognize property rights in a nuanced situation like this. But I wonder, if property rights have no value while you own your property, why did we fight so hard to thwart the TTC?

Unfortunately Superlift, everyone everywhere is dragging their screaming kids to restaurants these days & not just McDonalds or "kid friendly" restaurants. If I'm paying $50+ for a meal, I expect the kids to be controlled.

The most surprising thing here is NOT the noise complaints, but the miserable folks that live here using this forum to berate Victoria.

I agree with you. It is a terrible. Please leave as soon as possible. Then the rest of us can enjoy our lives in the wasteland.

anxious said: "I wish you guys would learn to enjoy life just a little."

I enjoy life immensely. While doing so, I make sure I don't negatively impact others who're trying to enjoy their own lives, especially while in their homes.

I wish you guys would learn to enjoy life just a little.

It's all about the bass. My neighbors have been known to carry on outdoors with the radio until the wee hours. I sleep like the dead. I don't hear a thing away from the window facing them.

But put a carload of shaved-head cretins on the Port L HW with amped-up woofers and I can hear them a mile to and from the vicinity. The Doppler Effect works with that, too.

[cont'd from previous post]

Sec. 10-22.1. - Sound from amplifying devices—distance limit.
(a)The following definitions shall apply to this section:
(1)Place of amusement—a fixed place of business that possesses a license to sell alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption, including, but not limited to, any nightclub, bar, bowling alley or billiard parlor.
(2)Plainly audible—capable of being heard by a human being. For music to be plainly audible, the words of the song need not be discernable. Music is plainly audible if the rhythm, beat, or rate of vibration of the music is discernable.
(3)Permit the operation of—to allow to operate, when one has the authority to control the creation of the sound, either directly or indirectly, including the authority to eject a person creating sound from the property. A person or other legal entity shall be considered to permit the operation of a sound amplifying device if the person or entity is:
_i.an owner in possession of the real property upon which the sound amplifying device is located,
_ii.the operator of the place of amusement in which the sound amplifying device is located,
_iii.the lessee of the real property on which the sound amplifying device is located, unless a subleasee owns the place of amusement.
_iv.a manager of the place of amusement in which the sound amplifying device is located.
v.a member of a band creating the amplified sound, or
vi.an operator of an electronic device through which the amplified sound is emanating.
-->(b)It shall be unlawful at any time at night between 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. to operate or permit the operation of any sound amplifying device at a place of amusement so that the sound is plainly audible at a distance of 100 or more feet outside the property line of the property on which the place of amusement is located.
-->(c)It shall be unlawful for any person operating or occupying a motor vehicle on a street, highway, alley, parking lot, driveway, whether public or private property, to operate or permit the operation of any sound amplifying device from within the vehicle so that the sound is plainly audible at a distance of 50 or more feet from the vehicle.
(d)This section shall not apply to any person acting on behalf of a government authority or acting pursuant to a valid parade permit issued pursuant to Section 22-34 of the Victoria City Code.

Source:
http://library.municode.com/showDocum...

Decibel Chart:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfS...

You guys should push for a change to the city code:

Sec. 10-22. - Sound produced by amplifying devices or musical or entertainment groups.
(a)It shall be unlawful for any person to conduct, permit or allow an electronic sound amplifying device or a musical or entertainment group to produce a sound that is discernable beyond the property lines of the property on which the sound is being produced that, when measured with a sound level meter using the standardized frequency weighing as specified by the American National Standard Specifications for Sound Meters, exceeds the applicable dB(A) level listed below for the property on which the sound is received:
(1)Residential property:
a.Sixty (60) dB(A) [conversation at 3ft] between the hours of 8:01 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday or between the hours of 7:01 a.m. and 12:00 a.m. on a Saturday or Sunday.
b.Fifty (50) dB(A) [average home] between the hours of 10:01 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday or between the hours of 12:01 a.m. and 7:00 a.m. on a Saturday or Sunday.
(2)Non-residential property: Sixty (60) dB(A) between the hours of 10:01 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday or between the hours of 12:01 a.m. and 7:00 a.m. on a Saturday or Sunday.
(b)The dB(A) levels set forth in this section apply to the property where the sound is being received. Any sound that when measured at the property where the sound is being received exceeds the dB(A) level set forth in this section is a violation of this chapter.
(c)This section shall not apply to the creation of sound by government authorities.

Source:
http://library.municode.com/showDocum...

Decibel Chart:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfS...

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This is all ridiculous. I understand that people work during the week, people work at night and on the weekends as well. Should they listen to the six that called the vpd or the 700 that showed up or the one that put earplugs in so they could still get sleep and not cry all week. Ten thirty is a decent hour to shut down and kudos to roadhouse for doing something worth going to. I honestly hope that I hear of these same noise complaints for years to come. p.s. buy some earplugs.

Just so everyone knows.."We" out in the country party as well and don't concern ourselves with who we are disturbing..So don't come our way if you want peace and quiet. We love to kick it up a bit. ;)

ljb08, that is very true! Victoria is soon to turn into San Marcus, what is going to happen then? I, for one, can't wait to watch the fur fly! Be careful what you wish for people, you just might get it!

I don't even know where to begin. First of all, I grew up around here, and I am now 25. All people do is complain about there never being anything to do or that the young people need to find something to occupy there time..and this one harmless event is still too much. It's ridiculous.
Just a little news flash, this is about to be the home of a four year university...yes, that is right. That means there are going to people under the age of 50 attending UHV...so get over it. There is going to be loud noises, probably a lot more events like this going on DURING THE WEEK because there is no way someone is going to want to attend college where a bunch of prudes live! At least they're not robbing your damn house or killing your neighbor. They are listening to harmless music that stopped before 11 o'clock. Have some fun, you can sleep when you're dead.
No one is ever going to be happy about anything that goes on. No one is ever going to be satisfied, and if you don't want to hear any noises...move to the damn country.

People live downtown & also in the vicinity of the park...do you people not think they should have peace & quiet? Maybe a nice pasture somewhere in BFE would be better for y'all.

Living anywhere near Navarro cannot be a peaceful existance, you would think they would be used to the noise.

You know what I find super annoying??? Shrilly screaming children early in the morning & late at night. I happen to have neighbors whose kids are screaming at high decibels at 6am on Saturday & 11pm on weeknights while they are on spring break. There is no law concerning these offensive creatures. I would much rather be hearing some music from a concert than annoying screaming kids. But I can't get the cops to put a gag on them. That's life...deal with the environment around you or move. Those are your choices.

San Antonio had many establishments hosting block party concerts on St Patricks Day, no complaints that I am aware of. Victorians complain there's nothing to do, there's nothing to do because 6 people are able to put the kibosh on the things to do.

If it's to loud your to old. People complain that there is never anything to do and then want to gripe when there is something to do. Waaa Waaa poor cry babies had to stay up until 11:00. Isn't the news over at 11:00 figured people would be up anyway.

bdr22..."It’s quite comical that a business that employed 4 bands, at least 3 security guards and a whole bunch of employees on a Wednesday night is creating so much noise from those who complained about too much noise."

Not at all. The gentle clicking of the keys on my computer can't be heard from thee feet away. I doubt many other computer keyboards are much louder.

I find it interesting that some people cannot seem to have a good time without forcing their good time onto people who don't want to participate. What's the matter, if you can't annoy someone, you aren't having fun? Is that why y'all don't want the concerts in the park or downtown square -- there's nobody to bother so it wouldn't be any fun?

How soon we forget,wasn't it only a few days ago the police investigated a noise complaint at a local motel?

Just think if the lady in the room had a amp.

WHEREAS, on March 17, 2010, some boring fuddy duddies complained about loud music penetrating their private domiciles late on a weeknight; and

WHEREAS, if it’s too loud, you’re too old; and

WHEREAS, dressing up ferrets is like blasting high decibels of sound into private homes; and

WHEREAS, I go to work when I want; and

WHEREAS, if you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs; and

WHEREAS, the only way to avoid said fuddy-duddiness is to stand around in a parking lot with iPods and listen to music so they don’t disturb anyone;

BE IT RESOLVED, that any time a group of 3 or more decide to have fun, citizens in the immediate vicinity must suffer some level of discomfort, annoyance, or sleep deprivation.

pilot said: "Actually, I have been in a few more places that were much louder..."

Pilot, just to be clear, the event was in the parking lot.

itsallfunny said: "I heard the noise like any other person. I went inside and put in ear plugs to sleep."

You used EAR PLUGS to sleep! Hmm.

I highly doubt that Texas Road House cares one bit what is being wrote on the board. And it sounds like there was small minority of Victoria that was even bothered! If you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. The folks that this bothered wouldn't dine at the Road House. The crowd they where aiming to please was there customers. Hats off to the Road House for providing a nice venue for Victorians to celebrate St. Patty's day!

Just so the facts are clear, the band was shut down at 10:40, not 11:00; I was there. Evidently the Roadhouse gang wasn’t raised in the “be seen and not heard” era. Maybe for Cinco they can convince 700 people to show up and stand around in the parking lot with iPods and listen to music so they don’t disturb anyone. It’s quite comical that a business that employed 4 bands, at least 3 security guards and a whole bunch of employees on a Wednesday night is creating so much noise from those who complained about too much noise.

bdr22 said: "So if you’re Roadhouse, who do you try to please? Do you listen to the 700 people who attended who had fun and want them to do it again, or the seven who complained?"

You respect those who did not attend voluntarily. You're welcome to sign on to that resolution.

It's all about respecting others. Being kind to those around you. Not forcing your music upon others. One day, if they can still hear, they to will think music is too loud when they are older. Age will do that to everyone.
I'm not against having fun, or concerts. I am against trying your best to annoy others around you, that don't like the music. But, as always, there are those that just don't care.

I do agree with having it on a weekend or a friday night if it is going to happen. The fact that it was wednesday night is the reason I did not attend mainly because I want to be at work semi-awake. I WOULD complain if it went past a decent hour and kept me awake, but I feel 11pm wasn't too bad. Starting early and ending around 10pm on a weekday might be smarter.

The notion of having it at the park or on a Saturday night so those trying to sleep will not be disturbed is really silly. The reality is regardless of where or when the event is held, there will be people complaining. So if you’re Roadhouse, who do you try to please? Do you listen to the 700 people who attended who had fun and want them to do it again, or the seven who complained?

BSspotter - My grandma can't hear anyways so good luck. She likes polka though if you do decide to serenade her.

I heard the noise like any other person. I went inside and put in ear plugs to sleep. I slept and woke up fine. Loud noise does annoy me, but I am laughing because the issue is over and done with. Texas Roadhouse closed early to accomodate people. So let it go. Maybe they learn and if they don't, then I will read your posts on here for that party too.

itsallfunny said: "We need more serious people like you that take trivial things and make them the world's biggest issues."

Trivial, huh? I'd be happy to pump loud music into your grandmother's house if you'd like. Oh wait, who cares if you'd like it.

If you'd try to put yourself in other people's shoes for a moment, you'd see that people cherish the peace & privacy their homes provide. When you enter their homes with extraneous, non-productive loud noise, you're violating their space. People can forgive the buzzing of a chainsaw or hammering of nails at appropriate times for the sake of progress. What you and others are defending is simply social regression. I'm sure there was a time when citizens cared about their impact on their community.

Now, when I put myself in the shoes of those who don't see a problem with late-night noise or rattling windows, I feel like a piece of crap for imposing on them unnecessarily. I feel like my "right to expression" is a symptom of some underlying flaw in my psyche that prevents me from self-awareness and empathy.

Here ya go. I expect you guys to submit this at the next Council meeting:

WHEREAS, on March 17, 2010, some boring fuddy duddies complained about loud music penetrating their private domiciles late on a weeknight; and

WHEREAS, if it’s too loud, you’re too old; and

WHEREAS, What’s the big deal; and

WHEREAS, dressing up ferrets is like blasting high decibels of sound into private homes; and

WHEREAS, I go to work when I want; and

BE IT RESOLVED, that any time a group of 3 or more decide to have fun, citizens in the immediate vicinity must suffer some level of discomfort, annoyance, or sleep deprivation.

Ecellent BsSpotter!! We need more serious people like you that take trivial things and make them the world's biggest issues. Kudos!! Next problem?? What's next?? Wal-mart parking lot is too big??

I hope Roadhouse has more concerts!!!!!

itsallfunny said: "Better yet, let's ban restaurants and having fun in general!"

Yeah, let's twist the anti-weeknight-loud-music position into "fun is bad". That would be the most genuine way to approach it. One could also say, "Let's pass an ordinance that all fun must be at another's expense." After all, if it's ok some of the time, it's gotta be ok all of the time. Right?

I think we should put a blurb in the Chamber of Commerce literature touting our having the highest number of inconsiderate dolts per capita.

yomuda,

More like, if it is too loud, our ears are not damaged by loud music.
I hope you never lose a job because your hearing is not what it is supposed to be.

I think we should take a stand and ban loud music in town. Better yet, let's ban restaurants and having fun in general!! Woohooo who's with me?? Anyone? I mean what is with this city? 23 year olds running for mayor and restaurants holding bashes that are fun?!?! The nerve!

not too sure about "too old" because I'm young and I don't like loud music myself..but I do believe that people and business should be able to enjoy themselves or show customers appreciation in their own way. And if it's a temporary situation and very rare I dont see the problem. Just remember it will soon be over with and it doesnt happen every day.

YOMUDA says: "If its too loud, your too old."

Spoken like the bane of my existence. While there are young folks with "hobbies" that literally rattle the windows in my home, there are young folks like me whose alarm is set for 5:30am so I can go to work. Afterward, I participate in hobbies that don't disturb residents of private property.

If its too loud, your too old.

"Based on the success of Andy's Irish Bash, Feldmann said residents are already inquiring about the restaurant's next big event.

"They want us to do it for Cinco de Mayo and again for St. Patrick's Day," she said."

Interesting that nobody wants an American holiday celebrated. I guess that's because people who really love America are considerate enough of their neighbors to do their celebrating where it doesn't disturb people. They go to the park or stadium.

There will NEVER be a Texas Roadhouse Blues in Cuero!!! You city slickers go on with your bad selves.

Superlift said: "But you know what? Cars, trucks, hot rods, lowriders, bikes, loud music, loud pipes, etc. are all a lot of people's hobbies.
So are dressing up ferrets. You don't see me complaining about that."

Dressing up ferrets doesn't impose on your neighbors, that is, unless your dressed-up ferret drives its thumping car around the neighborhood. Were you just throwing that against the wall to see if it'd stick? So, can I justify any property-rights-violating activity that can be deemed a "hobby"?

I can pretty much bet that no matter what DAY of the week or Time of day this event was on,.. in this town there would still be complaints. Some people need to get a life and stop trying to ruin it for everyone else.

RedRage...Nothing at all wrong with and outdoor concert...just have the freakin' thing at the park away from where people are trying to sleep. Is that such a difficult concept? Would you want me playing Roy Orbison or Glen Miller at ear bursting levels thirty feet from your bedroom window or the window of your six month old kid at eleven at night?

Yall complain too much over stupid stuff. lol

It's sad that you can't even have an outdoor concert in Victoria without people crying.

This is a private property rights issue. If the government has one job, it's to defend those rights. Every time a (manhood-compensating) car/truck rolls through a neighborhood thumping window-rattling music, property rights are being violated. These things help me identify those who have no interest in voluntary civic cooperation.

Also, don't you think having this event on a Wednesday night was asking for trouble? Spring Break or not, people still have to go to work. I enjoy music as much as the next guy, but I think this event was ill-conceived. (I guess I'm a troop-hating fuddy-duddy, huh.)

It's too noisy, too crowded, too mean, too nice, roads too bumpy, roads too expensive, taxes too high, economy too bad, food too fattening...Living in a world that has to consider other people must be too stressful for some.

Well not everyone is lucky to have weekends off sometimes people work Saturday Mornings too or Sunday...but whatever.. I'll just agree to disagree..thats why our country is so great... Have a blessed day everyone!!

amylynncox..."...we cant very well plan every event in Victoria around when everyone has to go to work. Sometimes it just happens that way"

Thus my suggestion for either doing it on the weekend or in the park.

"I also have a Big Church behind my house and they have Jamboree's sometimes, they play loud music at that time and I can hear them all the way to my house even though they are across a busy intersection, should I then complain that they turn it down?"

Yes. The laws against loud music disturbing people apply to all -- churches included.

"This was probably one time out of all the years Roadhouse has been here that they have done something like this, and they get all this headache over it."

One would hope that the Roadhouse would remember the headache and not do this sort of thing again in the middle of the week. Perhaps because of the headache the first time, they'll be more considerate of others the second time.

Yes Texas Roadhouse had a Party for the Troops!!! And thats Great but the fact of the matter is the noise, If your haveing a party at your home and the neighbors dont like it and they call the cops. The party ends.. Now if there were 6 calls to the vpd than why did the party get to keep going!! Just Saying!!

@N45BA
Well, good thing I'm not completely stupid! I do understand sarcasm and know that u are using it..just making a point as well, that the honking at the light or anywhere else for really no reason it noise pollution in itself.

@thewaywardone
I guess it doesnt entitle anyone to disturb anyone else, but we cant very well plan every event in Victoria around when everyone has to go to work. Sometimes it just happens that way, and I'm sorry 6 people were disturbed but I would have to say I would hope that they could move on and maybe just get over it for the cause it was supporting. Sometimes, your neighbors be them good or bad are going to bother you. That's life. But, when your neighbor is a business with lots of traffic and people a little more noise is to be expected. Maybe, not liked, but expected. It would be different if it were a normal neighbor and they were purposely being rude or inconsiderate. Believe me, I have had my share of loud, and annoying neighbors, but, I also have a Big Church behind my house and they have Jamboree's sometimes, they play loud music at that time and I can hear them all the way to my house even though they are across a busy intersection, should I then complain that they turn it down? I think that being a good neighbor means looking the other way maybe once or twice, seeing as though, it doesnt' happen all the time. Unless it becomes a habit of disturbing people every night. This was probably one time out of all the years Roadhouse has been here that they have done something like this, and they get all this headache over it.

amylynncox..."And I believe the people putting on the performance and the one's there to support it pay the same city taxes as the one's being crabby and complaining!"

Paying taxes doesn't confer the right to disturb the peace of a neighborhood. I've got no problem with a concert, but a concert in the middle of the middle of the week performed outside next to a residential neighborhood lasting until after 10:00PM when people are trying to sleep in their homes so they can go to work the next day is way over the top. Have the concert on the weekend or, better yet, in the park where people won't be disturbed. I've got a feeling that I wouldn't have enjoyed what passed for music at that concert. Not everyone who was forced to listen, enjoys that kind of music. If I lived over there, the police would have had SEVEN complaints about noise. This isn't about the good cause, it's about consideration and being a good neighbor. Good neighbors don't disturb THEIR neighbors late at night. I recognize that eleven isn't late for some, but for those of us who have to get up early to go to work, it is. Have your concerts, but have them in an appropriate place.

I would host a horn honking party just to annoy anyone who has a problem with an event to raise money for our troops.

@ N45BA
Seems to me like your the one that feels like your the only one on the planet! Not everyone has to enjoy the same things or want the same things! That's the beauty of God creating everyone differently! Seems to me like a HORN HONKING PARTY is just the type of noise pollution you seem to be against?? Huh?

Is complaining the only thing that goes on in this stupid town? Bickford should have went inside her house and turned the TV on. There's no way it was that loud. If anyone has ever been to a real concert venue, then they know what I'm talking about.

Thats whats so sad about this little hick town..I cant hardly believe someone said if you want to listen to music go do it out of town somewhere?? Just like the people in they're home have the right to not listen to music others have the right to listen to it. It was for a good cause everyone!! Seems like your missing the point! And I believe the people putting on the performance and the one's there to support it pay the same city taxes as the one's being crabby and complaining! Thats whats wrong with this town and thats why money that needs to be spent in town gets spent out of town benefiting other communities because everything around here is so limited and run by a bunch of grouchy old people who dont want anyone to enjoy themselves even a little bit. I understand, that Yes, maybe on the weekend would have been better. But, you would think all these people who speak about how grateful they are to the troops, could overlook the loudness just this one day. It's not like they do that every night.

This was a good cause, but everyone has a right to peace and quiet in their own homes at night. People who have to get up early, may have worked 12 hours the day before, and are trying to get a few hours sleep before they have to get up and go again, should not HAVE to listen to something like that.
If you want to blast music, or any other noise, after 10 pm, have the event out of town somewhere.

We have a shop about 1/4 of a mile from Roadhouse and it was not as loud as people were saying that they could have heard it a mile away and bother them. I have pretty good hearing.

I think this event was a great thing. Like when Bennigan's had it years ago. Also, it benefited the troops! I would have gone just to pay in if I wasnt working at the time.

Yeh, Sugar, all the Roadhouses are loud. Look up and you will see nothing but the rafters, and over a concrete floor....well you know.

And waitstaff, when I order a Jack Daniels, I don't expect you'd drive to Lynchburg to get it. Or demonstrate the dance routine that got you kicked out the Victoriadores. I'm thirsty. I'm hungry. I got a headache. Bring me my Jack and medium rare and you'll be richer and I'll be happy as I head over to the place that sells hearing aids.

And besides, any place from the Midwest with name "Texas" is the title is little more than an imposter.

exres - "and I feel fine!"

:)

Everybody does not like loud music, and it does get on some people's nerves. And I do wonder how many could hear after being there, and having loud music thumping in their ears. I know it is not good for your ears. Ask any doctor.
They need to tone it down.
And hey N45BA, I like the way you handle the loud music. Everybody don't like the same music as those that want all of Victoria to hear them. We like better music, that make since. LOL

bighorn - the noise problem (not too sure about the "grabby" problem) is NOT limited to the Victoria location of the Roadhouse. I went to the Roadhouse in Conroe sometime back, and that was my ONLY trip there for the same reason.

The food was fair to middling, but fairly priced, so it wasn't those factors that lost my business. It was the infernal RACKET. Enough already, people. I don't mind some background noise. But when I can't even have a decent conversation with the person I came with, that's too much.

My money, my choice. Roadhouse will never get mine again.

"I'm thinking someone may be SELFISH, EGOTISTICAL, GREEDY, CARELESS, SELF-CENTERED"

LOL!

They can't have a band inside, since this dive is so loud to start with. I quit eating there because of the db level near 100, and the lousy service from the staff playing grab A$$.

The bands should have played inside the building. The noise levels would have been much lower. This should have been held on Friday or Saturday night or evening. I would have gone but did not hear about the event. Not very good advertising. The city has a decibel level maximum for all its citizens. Not sure what decibel it is but it lasts until 10pm. After that you are supposed to be quiet. Maybe use Sun Valley Ranch for the next event. There you can turn it up and no one cares!

VICTORIA HAS TOO MANY UNHAPPY, JEALOUS, MISERIBLE, PICKY, GROUCHY, AND UNGRATFUL CITIZENS.