You and I both know that illegal aliens often live many families to one apartment or house. They save a lot of money that way and do send their extra money home to families across the border. They do this while on various forms of public aid and using the ER rooms for their healthcare. How about they not send their money back home and pay for the doctors office visits and medicine themselves, like Americans have to do?
The little income tax they pay, due to low wages and working under the table, does not cover what they use. They are a net drain on society, taking "everything" into consideration. Yes, they pay into various tax entities, but the majority of their incomes is not high enough to offset what they use. Don't forget about the children they have that are American citizens and are eligigible for every kind of aid.Stop looking at one small part of the equation and look at it in it's entirety.
So the undocumented steal a SS# and somehow get their employers not to deduct the income tax? The IRS reports that more than $12 million in unclaimed refunds is owed to Texas workers. Who in their right mind wouldn't claim a tax refund unless... And do these workers starve to death and not furnish their residences so they can send their money back to their home countries?
A 2005 report from the Texas Comptroller found where that the costs to the state for the education, health care, and incarceration of undocumented was $1.2 billion, undocumented workers contributed $1.6 billion in state tax revenues and ultimately had an economic impacy of $18 billion on the state economy.
Undocumented use the few state health care services that they are allowed to use because they work in jobs that don't offer health benefits. If they magically became legal residents or U.S. citizens overnight, they would still not have health care through their low paying jobs.
I'm pretty sure that since most of them work at, or below, minimum wages and/or work under the table, they do not pay much in income tax. Are they eligible for the earned income credits too? If so, many of them get money back from the government that they didn't even pay into the system.They may pay sales taxes and gasoline taxes and tobacco tax, and alcohol tax, but that is a drop in the bucket considering what they use and cause is lost wages to American citizens. I know there have been studies that prove otherwise, but there are just as many studies that prove what I'm saying, so which do you believe? Common sense should tell you which is true if you can add and subtract.Sure, there are a few, overall, that do pay their way, but I'm betting that the majority are a drain on our system.
Prado, they go to school k-12 for free, they get free breakfast & lunch at school. Government housing, food stamps, SSI, not to mention Medicaid or free care at hospitals. They do not pay Federal income tax. They steal peoples identities, leaving those people with credit nightmares costing them thousands of dollars & a lifetime of worry since one cannot change their SS#. Most illegals also send the $$ they make here back to their home country.
BTW, comapnies make profits on all their employees otherwise they could not stay in business. So I do believe that they "get back" what they "pay into" several times over, why should we give them anything else?
These students and their families are here working for wages often close to or below the minimum wage as a result of their undocumented status. Companies than take their labor to produce and sell goods and services at a price higher than the wages paid to these workers. The workers' wages are taxed as are the profits of the companies using their labor. These taxes then go into funding of local public universities and colleges.
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I wonder what is going to happen when, or if, they government doesn't keep paying out those unemployment checks? Do you think that those Americans will start to eye the jobs done by illegals now? Will the employers that now hire illegals still need them once all of those millions in umemployment checks stop going into the local economies?I wonder if we are about to find out?
Prado, offereing in-state tuition rates to people who shouldn't be here at all in preference to US citizens who happen to live in another state is wrong. I guess American citizenship means more to some people than to others.
I would be willing to cut some slack for those who do serve in the US armed forces and receive an honorable discharge. Those I would be willing to say had earned a place at the front of the line on the road to citizenship -- not residency, citizenship. If they turn down the opportunity for citizenship, so long and thanks for your service. Now, don't let the door hit'cha where the good lord split'cha.
Again, the DREAM Act in its current form isn't giving a free ride to these students. It allows states to offer in-state tuition to undocumented students who have lived and graduated from local schools. (BTW, these students and their families do pay income taxes, often not claiming returns owed them and they do pay sales taxes.) It allows these students to apply for legal residency only if they attend college or serve in the military. As a point of reference, 25% of Texans above the age of 25 have graduated from college and only 10% of Texans above the age of 18 have served in the military. The requirements for legal residence in the bill are well above what a typical citizen or legal resident does in reality.
As long as Texans demand and consume the goods and services provided by undocumented workers or the number of visas for unskilled workers is kept below the demand for these workers, there will be undocumented workers in the the state and the rest of the U.S. Given this dynamic, these students are going to stay in the country working in the shadows rather adding to the economy and protection at their fullest potential.
Good idea el69runner.
They can earn their college credits while serving the Country that has given them so much. I can't think of anyone that would begrudge them then.
Some people say it is an important piece of legislature that would assure immigrants become taxpaying citizens of the United States.I say if they graduate, then mandanority enlist in our military for 4-6 years, defending our country and their right to live here, than they like any other military member qualify to get help with their education.Now, you are making it more beneficial to be an illegal than a legal American. And people are against illegals, How? by giving them more benefits than what we give our own legal American children.
No one is trying to deny anyone a future. They just need to pay their own way and live by the same rules that Americans do.
The DREAM Act isn't a free ride for undocumented students. Rather it rewards young adults for either enrolling in higher education or serving in the military, which only a small fraction of U.S. citizens and legal residents currently do. The fact is these undocumented young people are in here contributing to local economies and communities across the U.S. Its not fair for the rest of us to benefit from their contributions but for these young people to be denied a future.
Something I cannot understand is that illegal aliens are allowed to attend Texas universities and pay the cheap fare, but someone from Louisiana or Idaho who wants to attend a Texas university pays a far higher rate per semester hour. If someone is here illegally from another country, how is it they don't have to pay the higher tuition? Giving illegal foreigners preference over American citizens is wrong and cannot be defended even by the most hardcore "progressive" or liberal.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Taxpayers should no more be paying for their education than we should be paying for student's educations overseas in England, Iran, Iraq, or anywhere else in the world.This is OUR Country, we pay taxes to help OUR CITIZENS and it is not right that we are forced to pay for something that we have no business paying for. America will not stand if we continually give everything away. Too many of our own bright minds are falling by the wayside because they are now at a disadvantage to foreign students.
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IF YOU WANT :""ILLEGALS"" TO PAY TAXES..... GET RID OF INCOME TAX AND REPLACE IT WITH HIGHER SALES TAX.....THEN EVERYONE PAYS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER>>>>PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they want to go to school here then let them pay their way! Ca$h $$$only! No Credit, so don't ask! No services rendered until paid in full! One EMS call will cost you about $500 for the ambulance to come to your house and take you to the hospital. Let them pay the same price that our insurance companies have to pay for the same services. NO MORE FREE RIDE FOR ILLEGALS!!!
The illegals have a good deal going if they can get here and get established. (have a home and a job) They don't pay taxes but get all the services and products that we have to pay for, for free! I say kick them out of the country. Nothing personal to the Mexicans here, it is all political. Just stay in your own country, ask for help and we will help you. We help everyone else that asks! That also needs to stop. The U.S. gives away billions of dollars a year and also borrows trillions every year. Our gov't needs to learn how to live on a budget like I have to do. If I don't have the money for the project I don't start. That is another story for another time.