rhsg, if the U.S.'s "appetite for drugs" is so great, then how come our NORTHERN neighbor isn't falling about due to drug violence?
Fact is, most of the weapons do NOT come from the U.S. (The figure you refer to is those guns that are TRACEABLE. Most aren't because they come from other countries.) Of course, if the border were really secured then guns from the U.S. couldn't get into Mexico, but then illegal aliens couldn't get into the U.S. and Mexico just can't have THAT, can it?
rhsg, you're quite right. We do have illegal aliens from all over the world. All the more reason not to encourage more illegal immigration by offering amnesty to "children".
As for the parents, so what if it takes years for them to legalize. That they can legalize at all based on their illegal act is an affront to fairness. Fact is, given how our immigration laws have NOT been enforced, we can bet that this Dream Act would be the first in another series of accommodations gutting our laws and making it easier for even the parents of these "children" to stay here. The Obama Admin. is already refusing to deport illegal alien 'students' with the claim that they'd be eligible for a Dream Act amnesty. Wanna bet what would be done about their parents?
dancepinkqueen, you do realize, don't you, that MEXICO is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and home to the world's richest man? It ranks in the top 15 in terms of GDP. That its wealth is not more evenly distributed among its population is the fault of MEXICANS and the choices they've made, including tolerance for corruption. Now, just who is it that should be expected to deal with Mexico's problems if not Mexicans?
By doing that, it will just invite more and more illegals to try and get in to reap the rewards. Reagan granted amnesty and look what happened. We've been going backwards ever since. We have to start closing the gates before we all drown.The taxes that illegals pay nowhere near pays for what they cost the taxpayers in the long term.
Charity starts at home. We need to help educate our own American citizens before we start paying for college for illegals. There are many Americans who would love to get a college degree but can't afford it. What kind of message would this Dream Act send? It would just bring more illegals of every nationality to our country & honestly we don't need anymore. To the student who is hoping to attend college on my tax $$ all I can say is apply for citizenship or save your own money, I am already paying for my own.
dancepinkqueen...You say things are bad elsewhere and people want better lives for their families. Fine, I agree with you. One question, though: Just how did their problems become MY responsibility; mine and the other American taxpayers. I can't speak for all taxpayers, but for myself, I've had it. I'm tapped out. Whatever sense of charity I had is GONE.
For decades, the United States has supported much of the world because by and large, we're a generous and compassionate people. Those days are gone. We're BROKE, or haven't you noticed? We can no longer afford to support those around the world who either or cannot or will not support themselves. If they have children they can't provide for, tough. They shouldn't have had'em and they shouldn't bring'em HERE. If their country is corrupt and isn't responsive to the needs of the people, though. Stay at home and fix it. Don't come here because things are bad at home.
America has been helping our friends since before we entered World War II. Remember Lend Lease? Then, after we entered the war, we were the "arsonal of democracy" and sent soldiers, arms, oil and food around the world. We kept the Soviets in the war against Germany. Look what that got us. We rebuilt western Europe and Japan after the war. I don't recall much in the way of thanks from them either. If not for American aid, Israel wouldn't exist.
We are broke after all that largess. It's time to close the borders to everyone who wants to come here because it's tough at home. If necessary, take that plaque out of the Statue of Liberty. We've taken in the poor, the hungry, the huddled masses from around the world. Name one other country that has done one-tenth as much. We're broke and can't afford to do it any more. Speaking for myself, I'm like Popeye: "I've had all I can stands; I can't stands no more!"
Then I say reform and allow all those that are already here earning a living to pay taxes and establish a documented history this too will boost this terrible place that our countries economy is in.
Well by all means America should pay for housing , food, healthcare and a college education for ever single non citizen. Because their home country is to corrupt and does not have any social programs like America does.
Then in a few years America can be just like the country they left! Brilliant!
No one is arguing about the bad situation in Mexico, and other countries. We cannot support all the people from countries that have it worse than we do. We can send aid to those Countries, but we CANNOT pay the way for all who have sad stories.With your way of thinking, we should go to every country and bring everyone here who is destitute, give them an education, housing, food, clothing, free healthcare, and whatever else I'm not thinking about right now. In a perfect world, that would be the ideal thing to do, but it is not do-able. You cannot pile so much on the donkeys back that it's back breaks, permanently taking away it's ability to help those in need.Once America was in the position to do it, but not anymore. Our government has responsibilities to it's own citizens, not those who are here illegally.
Surely all of you who are against have seen how the people of Mexico are forced to live? That is why you speak so "adamantly" of deportation... The craziness that we as Americans display is just as bad if not worse ie:(Black Friday shoppers) than some of these hard working illegals sneaking into this country in search of a better life. Who do not have the luxuries of spending thousand on gifts, but fighting through crowds such as those on Friday just for good food.
Did anyone mention nationality? I, for one, am talking about ALL illegal immigrants. It doesn't matter where they come from, they are still illegal, are not citizens, and did not earn any special treatment.
Oh...I've also watched "Border Wars" and 90% of the weapons the drug cartels use are from our USA. If the USA's appetite for drugs wasn't what it is, we wouldn't have any problems and neither would Mexico since a large majority of drugs simply travel through Mexico from other countries. Just think,we could still be enjoying our south of the border visits as in the past!
Usually the individuals discussing topics such as the "Dream Act" don't understand the details - as in this conversation obviously - many people just "parrot talk" simply repeating what others say - there are many illegal immigrants in our Country - just today I saw a Korean illegal immigrant student on television talking about this - illegal immigrants come in all colors - some just blend in better and are never bothered. People, illegal immigrants are here from all over the world not just south of the Rio Bravo!
I could disagree with your logic more adamantly. Education of these children is very expensive. Their parents (in most cases) do not pay any property taxes or income taxes. This makes them a burden to the rest of the tax paying American citizens. Irrespective of their dreams or possible potential.
If these parents really shared in the dreams of their children, they would take the necessary steps to become citizens. We should not, as taxpayers, be burdened because of their lack of respect for our laws. It is not our responsibility.
I could not agree more with born2Bme. And Dazed.... just wow! Our country is in dire straits and the financial drag illegals cause on each of us is staggering. I feel sorry for the kids, but not sorry enough to extend favoritism to them over the children of our own citizens.
I also feel that Brady may be on to something. Illegals should have to work off their crime of illegal entry by working for the government, and then, be deported. If you folks haven't watched the reality show "Border Wars" I highly suggest you find it and watch a few episodes.
It still doesn't change the fact that they should not get preferential treatment over the children of American citizens. If they want a college education, they and their parents work for it like everyone else, and work a little harder so they can pay back to America for the crimes their parents committed. They should not get more opportunites than American citizens, no matter how you look at it. They want equality and rights? Then they are equal in every way. No special treatment.
Are some of you comeplete idiots? Its meant to help kids who were brought here by their parents and have been here for years. KIDS!! Are some of you so ignorant to think that an individual who came here at such a young age and has lived most of their life in USA would consider Mexico or any other Latin American country their home??? You simply can't deport everyone. Their are KIDS out their who have been brought here as babies about to graduate and wonder about their future. You can't actually believe they should be deported. USA is their home, it is all they have known. I dont care if their parents were the ones who didnt do things the right way. It is not KIDS fault.
Let's see if I have this right. According to Benny Martinez, District 10 director of LULAC, "It will cost the government lots more to incarcerate than to educate." So, according to Benny, the only two options we have are to lock the illegal aliens up or provide them with a free education at the expense of the taxpayers.
Seems to me there should be another option. Gee, I wonder what it could be? Wait, I think I have it! How about we DEPORT all the illegal aliens? Would that not be less expensive than either incarcerating or educating them, Benny? How very strange that you would have overlooked that rather obvious option. It appears that the illegal aliens are not the only ones in dire need of further education, assuming you are not one of them, Benny.
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To the 'girl' of which this article is about:Before you became a student here your parents committed a criminal act.They and you by proxy are criminals.Own up to the crime before you question your future education.Or simply go back to your native land.You have no sympathy here!
I don't get it? Why would these people want to come here? Get a good education in your own country. Build a home, raise your family, and stay employed in Mexico or wherever you come from. If you illegally invade our country you should be charged criminally, fined a substantial amount of money, put to work for the government in a labor camp, and then deported. I also beleive that illegal invaders should be confronted as hostiles against America and treated as such.
I have no problem with people wanting to come here legally to improve themselves. I have a major problem with anyone sneaking illegally into the country. If a person wants to be here, they need to pay there way in taxes, and social security and be responsible citizens.
Some of the illegals are here to improve their lives. Some are here and are committing crimes, other than the crime of being here illegally. For those that are trying to improve their lives, go back, get documented, and arrive on a student visa. I have no problem with individuals wanting an education so they can achieve their dreams.
It should make'em easy to find and deport. If the government can find them to give them the money for school, they can find them to to deport.
People are correct when they say it isn't the fault of the kids. It's the fault of their parents who came here illegally. Don't blame insensitive American citizens; blame the parents who brought their kids here illegally and have been living as criminals ever since they crossed the border.
Just do the paperwork to become a legal U.S. resident. You don't have to be here against the law. Second choice, go back to Mexico and get your education there. Problem solved.
they dont have schools and colleges in Mexico????