Front-page tabloid material at best.

You make the suggestion that we move on, yet here we are just two weeks later, and you have resurrected this topic yet one more time! Do you not take your own advice?

Thanks for the posts, Curtis and Speak. I just hope Mr. Moore is good to the teachers, that's all. I appreciate it.

Anxious...

Good decent teachers who simply abide by the VISD guidelines and basic ethical guidelines and decency have nothing to worry about. Bob Moore is making VISD a place that can attract and keep good teachers.

Anxious - Your post made me chuckle just a bit. I know quite a few really great teachers and they aren't worried at all about being "put out to pasture" when they are older. If you think that the FORMER West dance team director was reassigned because of her age, you are sadly mistaken. The great teachers I know aren't worried about job security because they know that VISD is fiscally sound and, because they perform their duties with gusto every day, they don't have a thing to worry about. The great teachers I know worry about meeting the educational needs of their students. They do not worry about themselves.

I just want to say one thing, if the advocate will let me. I really do think this whole thing could have been handled a little bit better. I just hate drama and I think teachers will now fear that they will be "put out to pasture" when they are older. It's not a good feeling, I'm sure. Not taking any sides, but job security is probably not there, now. Who can know if they will ever hold on to their jobs? Not trying to change the subject, but I think it is a sad day for teachers in Victoria. AND I can think of teachers who did not do the greatest job and wish we could get help for them to do better or reassign them because they cannot teach. Those who do a great job, however, what security do they have here??? Please don't delete this, advocate. It is a real concern for all.

well, you all are right, the truth gets deleted and the crap stays! It never ceases to amaze me that when someone witnesses something, its still hearsay...................I wonder if there are comments on the Houston Chronicle. I will say this. I had personal communication with that reporter and you should have heard his personal opnion.

I'm looking forward to finally seeing the Legacy dance team preform this friday. Good luck to the girls.
Does anyone know if a new director has been hired yet?

I beg your pardon, Mr. Wade. I posted once. And it was in reference to the unwillingness of the accusors to claim their victory and let this subject die.

If your chronicle of the facts are no more acurate than your accusations at present, all of your comments are highly questionable.

Bighorn, Twinkle and others who think they know who I am.

I have posted here and elsewhere under my name, unlike you who do not have the guts to do so. In fact, I used to blog on here when VICAD used to verify your identity before being allowed to blog.

I am not curtislowe nor farcus, nor others you have accused me of being.

I stopped posting because I got tired of having to discuss the issues when all that was answered back from the other side was "this was about their kid not getting major" and "we love DJ so she could do no wrong."

That may be paraphrasing a little.

I had major issues with fiscal resources, lack of fiscal responsibility and who had actual control of the booster club. The parents or the director.

As for the disgruntled parent argument from the other side, what was conveniently left out of all this were these rather large facts:

It all happens around the same time of the year. The months of May and June. This is when officer tryouts are held and booster club elections are held and TKB planning happens.

This is when the treasurer started questioning other expenses and was directed by VISD officials what items can and cannot be paid for using booster club funds.

At a booster club meeting it was revealed that a drill team golf tournament and raffle raised about $40,000. This was when it was revealed the fundraising goal of the booster club was to raise $51,000 net. This was when I questioned the practice of sinking $40,000 into a fund raiser that cost at least that much or more simply to hold it when we were very close to our goal. Another raffle and we were there.

Not very sound fiscal practices in anyone's book, especially in light of the current economy.

It was shortly after this that the booster club was disbanded and then the drill team director was reassigned for "hazing and harrassment."

It is very likely none of us would have posted on here again if not for it being brought to our attentions the accusations and comments made here the past day or two by twinkle and bighorn.

We stopped our grievances with VISD once they removed the director from her post.

Once told about this blog and that my name was mentioned in a false accusation I have also decided to again state the truth.
I use my real name, phone number and e-mail address. The ones on here blogging are clueless.
You will never see the facts because children are involved and VISD serves in the best interest of the children. Not the nosey bloggers who want the "inside scoop". If you had been part of the grievance process you would know that.

The ones who have stated the false accusation that our grievances were overturned, get your facts straight. To overturn a decision means you must first, rule in the favor of the complaint, then change your mind to overturn it. Our request was granted, there's your proof. Our letters verify this.

No matter how much we have all tried to move forward and not resorted to bickering on the blogs it does no good. Your postings, name calling and childish behavior continue.
If you call stating the facts, defending yourself then so be it. You blogging with no facts about a situation is ignorant. You have only been aquainted for 3 months with any of the individuals involved. You do not know anyones character in that amount of time.
The facts from many in the community, not just us and from current/former team members were presented, she was reassigned. Future legal action that may be taken will only let these e-mails, recordings, documents and photos become a huge embarrassment. Anyone who is a former member/parent knows of the numerous harrassment and hazing incidents that took place over the years. To state you "have nothing to hide" only made past parents/members mad and they brought forth their evidence as well.

You have embarrassed yourself and DJ with your inmature blogs. Do her a favor and start living your life. Yes, I am responding because the accusations and lies are being sent directly to me and posted on the web. Bob Moore does not owe you, I or anyone else the facts presented. But he did not act quickly, it took three months of investigating and without solid proof he would not have made the decision. If it were a personal vendetta he could have reassigned her at anytime as her contract stated without reason. There had to be actual facts.
No one coaxed us, walked us through anything and it all started because of retaliation. Those who supported her for years in and out of administration have now personally experienced the wrath we endured.

First I would like to start off by saying that yes I have been watching the blogs, but I have not been blogging. If I have something to say, I will do it as I am now, under my real name. I have nothing to hide. I do not know CurtisLowe, nor am I CurtisLowe, although I do share many of the same feelings he has expressed on these blogs.
Twinkletoes - I am alot more grown up than you. I do not feel the need to spread slanderous accusations all over the web about people who do not agree with my opinions. So, I would appreciate it if you would quit calling me names and accusing me of being and doing things that are not true. I also know many personal things about you that would make anyone question your character. I have nothing against the ones that choose to stand behind DJ. That is their opinions and they are entitled to them. So, if you want to stand behind her, do so without dragging me or my families names through the mud. If you are an educated person you will realize that you are one of the ones that is making things worse for DJ.
You are only a freshman mom and have no clue what goes on in this organization, you can say you know everything, but anyone who has ever been on the team knows that reserves are not included in anything. They are not even considered a part of the team. I will be the first to say that I was a huge supporter of DJ.....until I chose to question her. I was just as blind as the rest until the facts were put infront of my face and I started asking question. Thats when everything changed and I was no longer blind to the truth.
I would also like it to be known that the allegations that my child did not get what she wanted is all lies. My child held the highest rank possible by a Junior and actually moved up in rank. So this had nothing to do with the reasons I filed my grievance.
Last there were facts behind our grievances. More than you can possibley imagine. I have no doubt that many have seen the grievances, but I know that they were not privilaged to the proof and facts that backed them up.
So if you would like to blog in favor for DJ or not in favor of DJ I do not care, but please leave my family and myself out of your blogs.

Well,well well...Isn't this ironic. My child quit the team and was harrassed over and over again, called a quitter, called a traitor and every other word in the book by the same people whose children now quit!!!! Isn't this a kick in the pants.

I will tell you, I blog under my own name and everyone else you are accusing of being KimKimChow is not. Your problem is you think we are the only people who find DJ guilty of what she has done. Newsflash!!!....There are many people who share our opinion. Step outside your bubble sometime and take a hard look.

As far as our grievances, some of the DJ followers say it was overturned and had nothing to do with her reassignement. My letter from VISD says otherwise, but here nor there....she is still gone. Twinkle says we can make nuns look like hookers. No, nuns are nuns and hookers are hookers. If it walks like a duck....

I apologize if I appear a little aggravated, but now all the crap that was flung my way by these people who now quit because THEY are taking a stand??? The fan just got turned around and it's all coming back your way!!

All of you that harrassed my child and spoke so poorly of my family are such HYPOCRITES!!!

For all of you that want the truth, I will be happy to email any documents to you. I am happy to share any information. The grievance process is over and she has been reassigned.
cwalyuchow@suddenlink.net

Twinkle...

Again...slanderous, mis-informed and gullible.

Twinkletoes...

Why is it that it is ok for you to come on here and speak falsehoods and slander but it is not ok for someone else to print facts. Oh and the grievances...why is it that none of you can refute the validity of them...you just choose to ignore them... just like DJ. If anyone has the right to come on her and say anything it would be the people who have been hurt by this woman. You are nothing more that a "hanger on/wannabe with nothing better to do than try to "stir things up"(your own words) Seriously, grow up!

Once again, get your information right. You are all about "heresay", I have never filed a grievance. And this is my first time posting a comment. Good Day!!!

The school principle that is a longtime friend of DJ?
And yes I heard DJ brag with her own mouth about how close her and the principle were. Another reason she felt she was untouchable. Along with her boasting of having Bernie on the school board to fight her battles. At least until Bernie saw for himself what she was capable of.

Many people in this town know of her "tactics" and disregard for district rules and policies. For years we have questioned why this was allowed but finally someone just had enough of it.

It's interesting to me that people keep saying it's good thing the she gpt reassigned and she deserved it because of her "hazing and harassment". I sure would like to know what you people are talking about. How can you continue to accuse her of this? You don't know!

CobraKai stated "She made a lot of enemies for sure." How does that happen? I don't think I could say the same of any coaches or band directors or leaders of any student organizations that I have known. If any of them actually are "making enemies," then I would have to question their suitability as leaders and role models for our students.

I think Bob Moore just outsmarted the "sly one" and all of her cronies. He had the evidence to fire her but he knew she would drag it our with lawsuits and cause constant turmoil for the school district. So, he simply reassigned her according to the rules of her contract. Smart guy. The trickster got tricked!

DJ throwing her long time friend's and supporters, the Klimists, under the bus tells you all you need to know about her character. All in an effort to deflect the attention away from her years of VISD rule breaking. If she would do this to her "freinds" I can only imagine what she did to those poor families that blew the whistle on her. I will give her credit though she is a sly one.

CobraKai - Why would Bob Moore have have "hard feelings" about the MTV Reality TV fiasco? I think the "hard feelings" are on the part of the FORMER West dance team director. What parent or "educator" would want to put children in an unsavory light? Have you ever seen a MTV reality show? MTV viewers crave the unsavory. Thank you Mr. Moore for protecting these young ladies.

For the rest of you who are crying foul because you believe that the FORMER West dance team director hasn't had a chance to tell her side of the story or make her views and values known, apparently you are not privy to her texts. Maybe those texts are just for her former students and their parents. If you had read them, I believe that you would change your tune immediately.

Let's move on Victoria. The FORMER West dance team director still has a job, still makes the same salary as before, and still has the ability to make contact with everyone she chooses, even though she has been asked not to have any contact with certain people.

southtexas - IMO, Bob Moore is an open book. He doesn't appreciate ANYONE who is not for "the kids" and I appreciate that he has taken time out of his busy schedule to take care of a situation that should have been taken care of a long, long, long time ago by some of the very same administrators who currently serve at the "White House" and at the two new high schools. I am so happy that your child's experience with the FORMER West dance team director was positive. For others, their experience hasn't been so great. Don't we want our educators to be there for kids and not their own glory? Should we shut down the team because of the coach or should we remove the coach to save the team?

stealth - you are so right.

Remember - not many of us get everything out of life that we want every single minute of every single day. The FORMER West dance team director had 32 years. It is time to move on.

One last thing - the young ladies who make up the Legacy Dance Team are fantastic. They are dedicated to enriching school spirit at Victoria West. They are kind, caring individuals who are caught up in an adult mess. If it (or she) would just go away, all would be fine. Children have a very short memory. This chapter is over.

southtexas
There is a big difference in Bob Moores real world of having to deal with real problems and your post-what-you-think-you-know fantasy world. You can take this to the bank, based on what you wrote, you don't know squat.

A lot of people including myself will never receive all the answers to this silly mess. It's my guess that the proverbial Cookie Jar here has a lot more dirty fingerprints on it than just the Drill Team leaders.

Bob Moore didn't just fall off the turnip truck. But you can bet there is some serious damage control taking place on profit drive. School clubs and teams cannot do anything without approval from the school district. That statement tells me that there are much bigger fish in this mess than some lowly drill team leader.

CobraKai,
Has that someone very close to you has done anything wrong? If not then they probably have nothing more to worry about than any other hard working person in Victoria.

Bob Moore....the mystery man. He has hardly settled in town until he is changing everything about the school district and recommending tremendous building expenditures during a time when taxpayer money at best is tight and at worst is absolutely not there. Just watching him and listening to him....the few times he has spoke in public forum, I am not impressed with the man. Why does his word hold such absolute power?

The DJ thing....the school board nor the public will ever know if her reassignment was appropriate or not. She was never allowed to give her side of the story and Bob Moore never explained the reasons for his decision. The actions of the school board members if anything, in my opinion, upheld Ms. Jaynes' protests. Mr Klimst's juvenile comments and storming out of the room absolutely made him appear to be guilty of some wrong doing. And everyone is aghast that Ms. Jaynes dared to name a name. If there was someone on a witch hunt then he/she should be identified.

There are a few things I do know....I know that every winning coach, no matter if little league or NFL has people that hate them and feel that their son, husband, daughter, or self is better than the coach's perception and should have been allowed to play, or perform, or be an officer.

I do know that Bob Moore absolutely has too much power with no oversight....that is more than obvious....and is very scary!

I do know that the school board review was a total waste of time and money. The decision was made before anyone ever set down and Ms. Jaynes was basically allowed to say nothing or defend herself in any way.

I do know that if you make the Superintendent or perhaps a member of the school board angry for some reason, you will have hell to pay.

I do know that our City Council, our County Commissioners and our school board are unanimous in totally ignoring the voice of the people and act with no concern for fiscal responsibility.

I do know that DJ Jaynes has positively effected any number of young women's life in a very positive way. The Facebook posts and stories from former students following this fiasco would seem to indicate there were any number of young women who, now long gone from Victoria High, feel that if DJ had not been tough and required responsibility and accountability from them...they may have taken a path to destruction.

I do know that DJ's girls were winners. If you wanted to be a winner you took the rules and regulations and yes discipline and you were part of the team. If Ms. Jaynes' rigidity was too much for you, any girl could walk away at any time.

As far as the Advocates advice to drop the issue....just shows again how the editorial board of this paper is under the thumb of the powers that be. Like a previous poster pointed out....the Advocate was eating up the gossip when it was selling papers....suddenly they have been told to "drop it".....and they are trying to "drop it".

Well said RickGomez.

I had a similar post that of course has disappeared from another comment page that is long since gone. Someone very close to me works for VISD and it scares me for her job security that a few 'grievances' by a group of parents who could have possibly had a chip on their shoulder could have an employee reassigned at the will of one man. And the board apparently has no desire to review anything because they don't have to.

I'm sure all these commentors would cry foul if they were in DJ's place. But it seems the hatred just clouds everyones judgement. She made a lot of enemies for sure.

This town is so small. Of course the Houston Chroncile article mentions the conflict of interest of Ms. Keeling and DJ through her husbands attempt at election against Ms. Keeling. But what was also not mentioned was the hard feelings of Mr. Moore over the whole MTV reality show deal.

I'm sure this will be deletred anyway.

Move along people...these aren't the droids that you are looking for.

Amen, Hook.

First of all, I am not involved with the Drill Team in any way. I am commenting because this whole process reminds me of a very similar situation a family member experienced with VISD a couple of years ago .

I believe there is a big difference between micromanaging and having a system of checks and balances. I recall an Advocate quote some time ago from the previous board president, although I cannot recall his exact words, it was something to the effect of “If the superintendent wanted the board to know of a problem, he would inform us”. I just don’t believe that. Not with this administration. With that type of mindset, why do we need a sitting school board? Just continue to allow all decisions to come from the top.

I will admit that I don’t know if this particular situation is a good indicator of how effective our current school board really is. From past experience though, the board’s action or inaction seems to be a recurring theme.

I know a lot of you will beg to differ with my comment. Like most things in our life, we form opinions based on personal perspective. From my perspective, some in VISD administration do not conduct themselves as professionally as we are led to believe.

Job security should not be an unfair expectation, provided we do the things we are supposed to do. Of course there are situations, such as the current economy, that are outside of our control that can impact our employment.

That is not the case with VISD. I’m not referring to administration, they seem to have job security. I am referring to the statement made by VISD’s attorney during Mrs. Jaynes’ hearing, that VISD has the right to reassign anyone at anytime and does not have to justify it. You do the things that you are supposed to do, but you are never really secure in your position? It may be written on a contract, but how is that for job security.

And to the Advocate. You may have the power to print your viewpoint and say what you wish, but keep in mind that there are people out here that can form their own thoughts and opinions. It seems that you are saying not to question a decision if it comes from someone of authority. That is a scary thought.

Amen, Hook.

Well said, Pilot,

The Advocate sure didn't mind running front page stories about, "the gossip and rumors", to sell their papers. Now, they take the 'holier than thou' route of saying everybody should just forget about the whole thing and trust that the powers that be made the right decision, "in the best interest" of the school district.

You can't have it both ways, Advocate.

YES!!!!! :)

I'm glad the Advocate Editorial Board agrees with the decision.

Now I can sleep at night.

I applaud Bob Moore for making a tough decision based on the facts backed up by evidence. The board knew he had conducted a full investigation and stood behind him. They did not give in to pressure to overturn the decision or to disclose the info that only Bob Moore and DJ were privy to.