Sorry MerleW, but if students are writing their checks to UHV, then they are enrolled as UHV students...doesn't matter if they attend online, in Sugar Land, Cinco Ranch, or Victoria.
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You are correct historical only shows a trend but based on that trend enrollment (Victoria campus) must more then double 2009 totals to equal levels from 10 years ago.
My reason for posting this data is not to support or oppose expansion rather it seems the complete picture is never revealed by the news reporting. I believe the people who will ultimately be saddled with the cost of any infrustructure (like a proposed $8million extension of Airline) are entitled to know all of the facts.
One more comparison to see what adding underclassmen this year did to the OVERALL enrollment. 2009 headcount increased 46% over 2005 headcount. If this happened equally every year, which I am sure it didn't, that is an average of 11.7% per year for each of the last 4 years. 2010 we add underclassmen to Victoria campus and the total headcount increased 13.5%, less then 2% difference then historical increases without the underclassmen. Just the addition of 319 underclassmen acount for 12.1% of the 13.5% increase. What about upperclassmen at Victoria campus, did the enrollment increase over last year?
Although I don't agree with expansion to the airport, I also don't think figures from past years give a correct forecast of what is to come. This is the very first semester with underclassmen (and that's kind of a big deal)...there's no historical data to suggest what might happen in the next few years. You're talking about a completely different type of school now.
I can see the two existing buildings running out of space very quickly though. I would think even just one or two additional buildings strictly for classes would suffice for quite a while though.
To look at historical enrollment try this link:
It is difficult to compare these numbers to historical except on total enrollment. 2009 enrollment was 3,655, 2010 is 4,149 up 13.5%.
2009 On-line was 64% of total, Cinco was 8.6%, Sugarland was 13% and Victoria was 14.3% based on semester credit hours.
For Main Campus (Victoria):
2000 836 Full-time equivalents2005 409 Full-time equivalents2009 377 Full-time equivalents (Down 55% below 2000)
All other (Cinco, Sugarland, Online)
2000 269 Full-time equivalents (No Cinco numbers)2005 1311 Full-time equivalents2009 2256 Full-time equivalents
From 2005 to 2009:
Victoria Campus down 7.8%Cinco Campus up 40.2%Sugarland Campus up 32.0%Online up 89.5%
Calculations based on data found at link provided.
Certainly, expansion plans are affected by growth in enrollment trends.
Not to be overlooked is the national trend of online classes. UHV offers online classes. How many desks do we order for these students?
wouldn't any expansion plans / construction be base on future enrollment numbers and not necessarily current enrollment numbers ?
woofwoof..you too funny--its not in the budget for another set of loop lights. lol
EA..I get your point with all the athletes in the area how many are playing in soccer, golf, softball and baseball==well not many! go online to see www.uhvjaguars.com
Read all the comments, particularly the one from MontyJackson. This is where some of us got the idea that the numbers, while accurate for the TOTAL of UHV students, are not representative of how many folks are actually on the Victoria campus.
If you take the time to read the article and the comments, you will find that this figure was being used in the context of 'we-are-squeezed-in-here-like-sardines-and-our-only-hope-is-the-hundred-acre-wood-between-here-and-the-airport'. Turns out, at that time, there were not 3000+ students ON the Victoria campus; there were 509. Quite a bit of difference.
Folks who are not following along or paying attention might look at the grand total number and agree that we need the hundred acres because we're squished. Folks who are following along and are paying attention know we still have lots of elbow room. Which is why the Chair of the Regents at the time said, grow you enrollment, then we talk about adding space.
As to why UHV does that, I have no clue, other than it sounds good, and they hope it will help the cause. But, if you are still attending the Tuesday morning meetings, you are right there with 90% of the folks who are pushing for the land gift. Ask them.
@EdithAnn, I think you raise important questions. I am trying to figure out that if this is the case, there may be a reason to use the figures including Cinco Ranch, etc. We may not be privy to all the information or I am overlooking something. Your conclusion seems valid in regards to more space needed if the numbers of students are not darkening the doorsteps.
If you will go back and read some of the stories on the push by the Morrison Commission to get the land out by the airport, you will see that Laura Smith and Paula Cobler, both of UHV, were quoting figures of somewhere around 3700 students who were considered University of Houston-VICTORIA students. The reality turned out to be that there were only 506 students on the Victoria Campus. The others were at Cinco Ranch and Sugar Land, and for whatever reason are considered Victoria students.
Some of us felt the original number being reported was not an accurate reflection of what was happening in Victoria. Now, it seems they are reporting overall numbers again, and we're just curious about ACTUAL numbers.
As to the 315 students, it was an Advocate editorial that stated in the first sentence, "We welcome our new residents in Victoria, the 315 students who have moved here to attend the University of Houston-Victoria." I'm just asking if there are locals in the class.
For the record, I think it is great that folks are accessing higher education, and that it is great that they are chosing UHV. But remember, students who never darken a door on the local campus do not contribute in any way to the need for space locally.
That is great news that UHV has 300+ new students. I think EdithAnn makes a good point as well. I am trying to figure out though if the students are online or at another campus, it may still be good news for reasons I don't know. That would be worth reporting as well. For example, let's say 200 students came in from out of town and 100+ are from a commuting distance, does this affect the need for more space in a way I am not seeing at this point? (I am not trying be negative, just asking a question.)
My point was to make you post a stupid remark. *****I WIN!!!!!*****
Careful KCi, or roberttx and his brothers, RedRage and tstorm, are going to attack you for being negative. They don't like it when you have a different opinion than they do.
Roberttx..the point is that, with so many "leaders" clamoring for a new campus and new buildings...are those things really needed now (or in the future). How many of the 4149 students actually attend in a traditional classroom setting in Victoria? How many of the 4149 students are taking classes completely on-line, negating the need for classroom buildings and space in Victoria? How many of the 4149 students actually attend classes in SugarLand or Cinco Ranch, never stepping foot in Victoria?
If only the Advocate would publish these statistics...
what is your point ?
How many are in a seat on the Victoria campus?
And how many of the new freshmen are local students? The editorial said all 315 underclassmen came into town, but surely there are some locals in the bunch, right?