Leaders debate whether UHV should realign
One side says UHV should join another system, another side says UH has been good to Victoria
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Imagine this: Each year, the University of Houston-Victoria draws thousands of students from out of town and state.
Businesses, which never before called the Crossroads home, follow suit.
Suddenly, Victoria becomes more vibrant, stable and attractive; students gain access to higher education that, for some, was unavailable before.
Many people agree this scenario can and should occur. There is debate, however, about how to accomplish this transformation.
Some say the university should cut ties with the University of Houston System. The system is too uncooperative, too focused elsewhere, and simply doesn't share this long-term vision, they say.
Others suggest staying put just makes more sense. The system founded the Victoria university and helped it to grow into the school it is today, they say.
Should the university cut ties with the system and realign with another? Does a different solution exist?
The answers remain fraught with complications, politics and the passions of those on either side.
DIFFERING VISIONS?
Many of the region's leaders talk these days about transforming UHV into a so-called destination university. So, what is that?
As defined by some, a destination university is a school that attracts face-to-face students to live on campus in a traditional college setting. The bulk of UHV's students currently live outside Victoria and attend classes at other campuses or online.
Supporters of severing ties say the UH system shows time and again it does not support Victoria's campus, let alone share the long-term vision held by many in the region.
As evidence, they say the system:
n Fought the university's successful expansion to admit freshmen and sophomores.
n Turned down donated land where a bigger campus could one day be built.
n States its top priority is to develop the University of Houston into a Tier 1 school.
"The system has no experience developing a destination university," said Claud Jacobs, a Victoria businessman. "For the last 10 to 15 years, I don't know of anything the UH System has done for Victoria. Everything we've gotten for UHV, we've had to beg for to get. There's no trust anymore."
The university in recent years added sports programs without help from the system, for example. Just before the first underclassmen arrived for school this month, the system reassigned President Tim Hudson, thus removing the driving force behind much of the school's recent advancements.
"They say 'reassigned,' but everyone knows it was a firing," Jacobs said. "They don't want expansion here, and Tim Hudson was a great leader. They wanted him gone because he wasn't a 'yes' man."
Hudson, now a special assistant to the chancellor, declined comment. The system says his move was in line with the former president's "broad range of experience."
"I feel the milestones we've achieved have all been under the leadership of Tim Hudson - and not the UH System," said Dorothy Alcorn, a Victoria businesswoman and former UH System regent. "The system has thrown a lot of roadblocks in our way."
Others, however, say the system deserves credit for founding the Victoria university in 1973 - when no other system would.
"The UH System has invested a phenomenal amount of resources into this community and that university," said Morgan Dunn O'Connor, a Victoria businesswoman and former UH System regent chairwoman. "I don't see any reason to change university systems or to sever ties with a longtime partner in the name of economic development."
Supporters of staying put say the system:
n Has experience here and is nearby, which helps lines of communication.
n Succeeds in educating students and helped to achieve double-digit enrollment growth to 4,000 students.
n Offers the university specialized attention, which would be lost in a bigger system.
"You don't just throw out these partnerships," Dunn O'Connor said.
Members of the UH System declined this week to answer specific questions. On Thursday, Richard Bonnin, a system spokesman, replied to telephone and e-mail requests with a generalized written response.
"We are committed to a feasible expansion that is supported by enrollment," Bonnin wrote. "At a time when the state is mandating cuts for higher education, the UH System has pledged to seek $61.5 million during the 2011 legislative session to support construction of new academic buildings for UHV - and about $7 million more in special item requests for the campus."
Some say the system's promise is nothing more than a smokescreen. The move is to appease eager Victorians, they say, because the system knows any financial support in the Legislature is unlikely during a tight budget year.
IF YOU BUILD IT, WILL THEY COME?
Many Crossroads leaders want UHV's campus to expand to accommodate projected student growth and jumpstart the region's economy like few industries can.
The UH System received an offer of 100 acres east of town, but declined.
In what appears to be a hastily created plan, the system instead proposed adding buildings at the current landlocked campus.
Supporters of severing ties say the system's plan is short-sighted, given space constraints today, let alone in the future.
"We're sitting at a geographic crossroads and have opportunities to help the state reach its goal with Close the Gap," Victoria County Commissioner Gary Burns said. "We are within a few hours of major metroplexes, and a gateway to a large population from here to the Valley. It's hard to blame us for wanting a true destination campus."
The "Close the Gap'' initiative is a formal effort to, by 2015, increase student enrollment and success at the state's public universities. A special focus is placed on minorities.
Glenn Hegar, R-Katy, is a state senator whose district includes Victoria and Sugar Land.
"I want UHV to become a much more important player in the region's higher education," said Hegar, who remains publicly neutral in the realignment debate. "Now, we need to take UHV to the next step after the downward expansion. It should become a destination campus and I think that can occur."
Bonnin said the UH system supports these ideas, including wishes to boosts this region's economy.
"That is consistent with the UH System's strategic priority of student success, as well as Texas' Closing the Gap initiatives," he wrote.
IS IT POSSIBLE?
Within the realignment debate, there exists another: Is such a move even possible?
In Texas history, only one school - Angelo State University in 2007 - successfully switched systems when the host system opposed it. Still, it worked - once the Texas Legislature approved it.
"I don't see where there is any support - especially wide-ranging support - for something like this to even be considered," said Dunn O'Connor. "I also don't see a proposal from another system. Texas Tech will not consider Victoria, and neither will Texas A&M."
Jacobs, Burns and others, however, said outside university systems have expressed interest in Victoria's campus. They declined to name the systems, though, citing the sensitivity of such talks.
ANOTHER SOLUTION?
Sheriff T. Michael O'Connor knows all about disgruntled university system members. He served on the Texas A&M System's board of regents from 1993 to 1999.
During the mid-1990s, a Laredo school shared similar complaints to those held by some in the Crossroads. The school wanted out of the A&M system.
"It took about a year to regain the school's trust, but we put our money were our mouth was," O'Connor said. "We put $50 million into them, and now the campus flourishes."
Perhaps somewhere in all this lies a win-win scenario - a move that makes people on all sides happy. That could include a continued relationship between the university and its system, but it might also include a mutual goodbye.
"If it weren't for the students, we wouldn't have this argument. It'd be a moot issue," O'Connor said. "They are the future, so let's make the best of it - no matter who the system is."
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Here's a visual:
1 acre superimposed over a football field
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September 27, 2010 at 12:50 p.m.Way to cut to the chase justataxpayer!
Maybe this will help some folks, who apparently have no idea how big an acre is, get the visual, and make them question why the University would need 100 acres. That is like 90 football fields!
September 27, 2010 at 12:42 p.m.people2010 states- "The UH System should be helping us overcome those roadblocks, not putting them up!"
Oh, so the 61 million they are requesting is a roadblock? WOW! The Master Plan they provided the UHV administration is a roadblock? Committing the resources to build and grow the current location is a roadblock.......I guess you and I are just on two polar opposite ends of the spectrum on this one.
people2010 states- "It does not make fiscal sense to continue to build on a campus you know UHV will grow out of. I want the state resources to support the long term goals and projections of our university's and not be as short sided has some of the citizens that have posted in these comments. It will cost us more in the long run."
Just start explaining this comment, please, please explain! What on earth are you talking about? The University has been here for 37 years and has seen an enrollment growth of what? There are about 300 to maybe 500 students that attend the local Victoria campus. I say attend and use that word loosely? So what your saying is that UHV is going to explode in population in the next 10 years? I doubt that......seriously, think about what you're posting. If UHV and the system build just 2 additional buildings both of which are multi storried structures, then UHV has the potential of not having to build anything else for many years to come. Let them fill what they have first. Sorry but your points just are not valid my friend.
How will this cost "us" in the long run? Who is "us"? And why would it cost more if they build right where they are? Not getting it buddy, not at all.
September 27, 2010 at 8:14 a.m.people2010 says "They are also working with Caterpillar to design training that will train people to work at the new plant; which, was one of the things that our community could offer that attracted a fortune 500 company to this area! (Way to go VC!!!!!!!!)"
Really, no kidding?
I wouldn't expect anything but that? Duh, that's one of the biggest things VC does. They help train the workforce. Great job VC? I guess? Where else would Cateppilar go? Not sure I got that part of your rant, but whatever...........
September 27, 2010 at 8 a.m.Not exactly sure why people2010 felt the need to rewrite what I posted, however you seem to show tendancies of being a bean counter.....just saying. You do need to take a look at my post again, and please be correct when you post. Just spewing nonsense that IS NOT factual leads to falshoods and misinformation in our community.
I never once said that UHV owned any of the vacant property on the UHV/VC campus site. I am very well aware that VC ownes most of the property. I say most. Not all but most. For 37 years the Victoria College and UHV has partnered andhave built a very good relationship.
Let me break down partnership for....A partnership is an arrangement where entities and/or individuals agree to cooperate to advance their interests. 1.) In the most frequent instance, a partnership is formed between one or more businesses.
You need to check statements by the VC Administration over the past year. They are in complete support of UHV and their goals as an institution. If the truth be known, VC benefits in more ways than one by having UHV on site. In addition, please go back and check the UHV Master Plan laid out in a previous Advocate edition. UHV and VC are partenering to build combined facilities, much like the facilities they currently share.
I'm not usre where your getting your information, but talk about needing to get educated, maybe you should visit the UHV campus someday, and then you would have a better understanding.
September 27, 2010 at 7:34 a.m.AFU,
Apparently my crystal ball is not of the quality of yours, but I do not believe that the growth--and let's be clear here, I am talking butts in seats, on the Victoria campus--will expotentially grow as you say. Certainly the enrollment is going to grow, but not as you and ofthepeople think.
And why, in your fuzzy math kind of thinking, do you not allow for the folks who will graduate? Folks do graduate and drop off the enrollment numbers. Where are you subtracting them?
Growth, surely; almost double enrollment in two more years? I don't think so. If the enrollment numbers are going to be used to support the need for more space, then we can ONLY count those actually on the campus in Victoria. So, when you are trying to figure out another way to plead your case, remember that.
September 27, 2010 at 7:33 a.m.EA....wrong again.
"we are only adding Freshmen, not Freshmen and Sophomores. I'm thinking the numbers might even be a little less."
Au contraire, madam...UHV is open to 1st time in college freshmen (0-12 hrs) and transfers (12 hrs and up), transient, sophomore, junior, etc., and on up. Soon there will be a doctoral offered in Nursing.
Growth, my dear....lots and lots of growth.
September 27, 2010 at 6:43 a.m.To EA...
You said "It won't be 800 this year, 1100 the next, and 1400 the next and 1700 the next and so on. Agreed?"
No, I don't agree with you. It wil be exactly that, 800 this year, 1100 next, and on and on and on.
It's called growth.
September 27, 2010 at 6:39 a.m.You have growing room in the area where the campus is located - you have a lot of wasted space for parking - build a 4-5 story parking garage - UT is a prime example on how that University has so many students on such small space - so is UH Central in Houston which just built several parking garages - use your space wisely - what classes will be held at the other proposed area - offices? Will students have to go back and forth - does not make sense. And, what makes you so sure that any other University will do any better? Where were they when Victoria needed a University? Hello.
September 26, 2010 at 10:52 p.m.ofthepeople, let me add that after this current class, we are only adding Freshmen, not Freshmen and Sophomores. I'm thinking the numbers might even be a little less.
September 26, 2010 at 8:39 p.m.Here's the neat thing about college. After four or so years, folks graduate, if they haven't quit. These folks are no longer included in the enrollment numbers.
For a few years we may see some variance in the ACTUAL enrollment figures, but probably very short time, the number will stablize.
It won't be 800 this year, 1100 the next, and 1400 the next and 1700 the next and so on. Agreed?
September 26, 2010 at 8:32 p.m.EdithAnn - you were talking about numbers, so I wanted to clarify, thats all. Please do not read more into it than it is.
If UHV has 800 students on the Victoria campus this year and adds 300 (that is the number of the 2010/2011 class) new freshman each year, than in a very short period of time, UHV will be out of space.
They are simply planning for the future (the very near future) which is something that all good businesses do. The current debate is not if they need more space (UHV and UH seem to agree that additinal space is needed), but where to add space.
September 26, 2010 at 8:20 p.m.Then answer my email, please!
September 26, 2010 at 7:47 p.m.ofthepeople!
Exactly what part of my comment confused you? You are so hell-bent on defending the numbers at UHV. Why? Why does it matter what the total enrollment is? Do you work for UHV or something? You are very, uh, passionate about this.
Let me make this real clear so there is no misunderstanding--
IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE SPACE BASED ON ENROLLMENT, THEN WE CAN ONLY COUNT THE FOLKS WHO SIT IN A CHAIR IN VICTORIA. (that is not yelling; I don't know how good your vision is).
Folks who sit in a chair in Sugar Land do not need more space on the Victoria campus. Folks who are only taking on-line classes do not need more room on the Victoria campus.
I've never disagreed about the total enrollment, just the use of *that* number to make a case for more real estate. It's just that simple.
September 26, 2010 at 7:03 p.m.EdithAnn, I was talking about last years numbers (500 students in Victoria) this years numbers have not offically been posted to my knowledge. I would assume if you add the new students coming in, the Victoria campus would have AROUND 800 students. I will call UHV tomorrow to verify and post on this article when I find out.
September 26, 2010 at 6:54 p.m.By the way, thanks for the link to the article. I was looking for it. If you hadn't removed my comment, your article supports what I posted.
September 26, 2010 at 6:46 p.m.We had to delete a comment that inaccurately mixed enrollment and employee figures. For related information on this topic, please see this story:
September 26, 2010 at 6:34 p.m.http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/...
100 acres of donated land with the promise of buying 300 acres why is that not printed in the paper. This will make UHV larger than UT's main campus. UT has 50,000 students, UHV 1000, that sounds like good ol boy policy. Why not do like other university's that want to expand. Start buying homes in the area and slowly expand as needed. You will not have to build infrastructure because it will already be there.
September 26, 2010 at 6:24 p.m.But But thats just to easy bob!
lmao
September 26, 2010 at 5:24 p.m.Here is an idea. If the powers that be want so badly to grow UHV / develope the area by the airport, do the following.
1)Have Citizens Medical Center(CMC) move out to the new location - county hospital so should not be a problem for our leaders to do- before they build the new tower that is currently on hold.
2)Give the "old" CMC property to UHV/Victoria college. Lots of buildings and parking already in place.
Amazing - all your higher education in one place and your county hospital would have plenty of land(not paying much in property taxes since it is all under ag exemption most likely) and could quit taking property off the tax rolls (apartment on red river and houses between red river and houston hwy).
Oh almost forgot about the land owner making some money by development of their real estate too.
Win. Win. Win.
September 26, 2010 at 5:04 p.m.The 500 students attending UHV at the Victoria campus does not include the 300 new students now attending UHV at Victoria!
September 26, 2010 at 4:53 p.m.That would make it about 800!
EdithAnn - You either do not know your facts, or you are intentally giving wrong information. UHV does have 500 students on the UHV campus in Victoria. The others students are either taking classes on line or at another UHV campus.
Yes, the UHV nursing program has students in Victoria and SugarLand, yes they are ALL UHV nursing students, UHV does offer the degree plan, pay the faculty, pays for the lab space ect.... In the count of 500 students only the ones taking classes at the Victoria campus are counted.
The UHV numbers and location of students is open information, no one is trying to fudge the numbers. Because UHV offers the classes at all location, of course they would count those students in the total enrollment numbers, why would they not? Do they count them when counting Victoria only students, of course not!
Talk about not knowing your facts. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
September 26, 2010 at 4:51 p.m.Oh, dang, AFU, I guess I forgot to mention that I am not posting over here for a grade, but since that seems to be important to you, let me give you an F for failure to keep up. The ‘body count’ on the local campus was discussed over a month ago at which time we established that the figures were being fudged for ‘expansion’ purposes.
I understand perfectly why there are only about, now with the lower classmen, 800 or so students on the Victoria campus. I know there are folks who are in the nursing program at Sugar Land and are still considered UHV students. Again, we discussed all of this, apparently while you were out of the room.
But, thanks for contributing to the conversation just the same.
September 26, 2010 at 2:32 p.m.Edith Ann....I was responding to Brady's "There are next to NO face to face classes, and they have empty office after empty in the buildings they do have" remark.
You are correct that not all face to face classes are held "at the same time". That would increase the number greatly and is, in fact, the goal at UHV. Both buildings combined don't total 115 rooms, much less classrooms. But, it takes instructors to teach these courses and time (and money) to hire them, and of course, ROOMS to conduct class...oops, there's that pesky issue with space again...but it will happen.
In response to the "University claiming over 3000 students registered at UHV when only 506 stepped foot on the local campus" remark.
As of 9/15/10 there were over 4,100 students enrolled in over 34,000 SCH (semester college hours). Yes, there are many enrolled in online classes, thank goodness... the older, non-traditional, fulltime employed students don't have time to participate in face to face classes and may live hundreds of miles away or even in another state or country (some MBA students). Freshmen and some International students are the only ones "required" to take face to face classes.
As to your remark about expanding on the current site, UHV owns the property between the driveway that connects UHV & VC (and it should have a name) and the Center building, and the property east of the facilities parking lot (currently the soccer field), and the lot next to the SBDC. The rest belongs to VC.
For your efforts I fear you get an "F" also.
September 26, 2010 at 2:19 p.m.ofthepeople: which story are you not able to comment??
September 26, 2010 at 2:11 p.m.ok, I have no doubts that the present campus allows for ZERO expansion and growth, that much is easy to see and undeniable
but, the way that community leaders are going about the expansion is pretty embarrassing. the mustache nailed it, you hold U of H's feet the fire and make them invest into this campus.
September 26, 2010 at 1:17 p.m.Brady....There are approximately 120 Fall 2010 face to face classes being held at UHV in the West building and the Center building. There is absolutely "NO EMPTY OFFICE SPACE" in either building. There is little room to build 1 new building, much less 5.
I suggest you do more research before commenting.
For this post I give you a grade of "F".
September 26, 2010 at 1:09 p.m.Partner with VC and use the resources readily at hand, says Brady -------- UHV does partner with VC, but VC is also growing and need their current space. They are also working with Caterpillar to design training that will train people to work at the new plant; which, was one of the things that our community could offer that attracted a fortune 500 company to this area! (Way to go VC!!!!!!!!) They will continue to grow and can not offer, long term space for UHV, since they will need it for their own use.
T.Michael O'Conner and Morgan Dunn seem to be the only two leaders who actually understand what's realistic and grasp the economics of education. ------- T. Micheal clearly wants what is best for our community and his comment was ------ " Perhaps somewhere in all this lies a win-win scenario - a move that makes people on all sides happy. That could include a continued relationship between the university and its system, but it might also include a mutual goodbye. "If it weren't for the students, we wouldn't have this argument. It'd be a moot issue," O'Connor said. "They are the future, so let's make the best of it - no matter who the system is." I agree with Mr. O'Connor that we should look at what is best for UHV, whether it is staying with UH or changing to another system. We have to look out for UHV which is in our community!
As for Mrs. O'Connor, she is and will continue to be on the side of the UH system, and no matter what information she receives, that will not change.
I would also like to note the comments of Mrs. Alcorn, not only a former UH Regent, but also the first UH Regent from the Victoria area ------ "I feel the milestones we've achieved have all been under the leadership of Tim Hudson - and not the UH System," said Dorothy Alcorn, a Victoria businesswoman and former UH System regent. "The system has thrown a lot of roadblocks in our way." -------- The UH System should be helping us overcome those roadblocks, not putting them up!
As for my personal opinions on Brady's comments, it amazes me how people (on both sides) make comments on this or any other article and don't even bother to get their facts straight!!!!!!!!!
September 26, 2010 at 12:05 p.m.Try to be a little more responsible!!!!
Brady states "Build out on the existing property. I encourage everyone to stroll through the current campus. Take a look at the many vacant lots and fields that are available for buildings to be constructed." ---- I say, you should check to see who owns most of those lots and you will find out it is VC and not UHV. So many people think that ALL that open space belongs to UHV and that is simply not the case. It does not make fiscal sense to continue to build on a campus you know UHV will grow out of. I want the state resources to support the long term goals and projections of our university's and not be as short sided has some of the citizens that have posted in these comments. It will cost us more in the long run. The current buildings can stay UHV if the campus moves and hold the UHV Nursing and Health care programs, which makes since, because it is so close to VC and the local hospitals. It is not like UHV will just up and leave the current campus.
Brady then states "There are next to NO face to face classes, and they have empty office after empty in the buildings they do have.That will be more than enough space for the next 50 years, maybe longer." There is NO empty office space in the current buildings. Not sure where you got that idea, you need to revisit the campus. Also, there were already some (though not many) face to face classes and now that UHV has added 300 new freshman and sophomores, there are even more face to face classes. That number will continue to grow every year. UHV will be out of space in about 5 to 10 years not 50!
September 26, 2010 at 12:05 p.m.I have not been able to post for some reason. This is a test.
September 26, 2010 at 12:02 p.m.EdithAnn said what I wanted to say so I'll just quote her.
"I agree with Dale Zuck—Morgan Dunn O’Connor is right. "The UH System has invested a phenomenal amount of resources into this community and that university," said Morgan Dunn O'Connor, a Victoria businesswoman and former UH System regent chairwoman. "I don't see any reason to change university systems or to sever ties with a longtime partner in the name of economic development." Just because some of the locals have finally awakened from their slumber and realize that Victoria needs some economic infusion, why should that mean that the University has to be key part of that? The University can be a part of economic development, but should we be dependent solely on that?
roberttx is right, also. What gives this group of folks the right to decide on an action and then make demands upon what has previously been a fine community partner.
reyrey—you are making the assumption that folks will come to Victoria to college, get a degree and stay. What are the college graduates going to stay for? The skilled labor jobs at Caterpillar? Those jobs don’t require a college degree. They are, however, vital to this area because not everyone is college material. The hotel manager who said Victoria is a blue collar town is closer to correct than most anyone else.
The University has done a fantastic job of being the place for the locals to get their Master’s degree. It has been convenient. No matter what Claud Jacobs thinks, the University of Houston Victoria will never be comparable to Tech, A & M or UT."
September 26, 2010 at 11:05 a.m.The current sytem and current property is just fine and regardless of what "community leaders" say, the UH sytem is exactly right. Build out on the existing propertry. I encourage everyone to stroll through the current campus. Take a look at the many vacant lots and fields that are available for buildings to be constructed. More than four very large facilities could be built maybe five. Currently, UHV has a minimal amount of kids on campus. There are next to NO face to face classes, and they have empty office after empty in the buildings they do have. Build right where you are. That will be more than enough space for the next 50 years, maybe longer. Partenr with VC and and use the resources readily at hand. You have about 200 face to face kids on campus. Why in the world do you need hundreds of millions of dollars to build out on 100 acres? There arecmany major universities in the nation that have 100 acres. Unbelievable that there is so little actual knowledge of the current state of UHV and all the real truth, among educated leaders in our community. T.Michael O'Conner and Morgon Dunn seem to be the only two leaders who actually understand what's realistic and grasp the economics of education. Good luck UHV.
September 26, 2010 at 10:02 a.m.This is not a joke.
September 26, 2010 at 9:13 a.m.How about Texas State Technical College from Waco? My nephew-in-law graduated from there with several degrees in computer science and is making beaucoup $$$ in Houston. That kind of education may be needed more in the real world.
I agree with Dale Zuck—Morgan Dunn O’Connor is right. "The UH System has invested a phenomenal amount of resources into this community and that university," said Morgan Dunn O'Connor, a Victoria businesswoman and former UH System regent chairwoman. "I don't see any reason to change university systems or to sever ties with a longtime partner in the name of economic development." Just because some of the locals have finally awakened from their slumber and realize that Victoria needs some economic infusion, why should that mean that the University has to be key part of that? The University can be a part of economic development, but should we be dependent solely on that?
roberttx is right, also. What gives this group of folks the right to decide on an action and then make demands upon what has previously been a fine community partner.
reyrey—you are making the assumption that folks will come to Victoria to college, get a degree and stay. What are the college graduates going to stay for? The skilled labor jobs at Caterpillar? Those jobs don’t require a college degree. They are, however, vital to this area because not everyone is college material. The hotel manager who said Victoria is a blue collar town is closer to correct than most anyone else.
The University has done a fantastic job of being the place for the locals to get their Master’s degree. It has been convenient. No matter what Claud Jacobs thinks, the University of Houston Victoria will never be comparable to Tech, A & M or UT.
To think this is all about that 100 acre wood.
September 26, 2010 at 8:31 a.m.Yous people in Victoria sure is crazy!! Here is the thing, UHV needs to expand. Right now, Victoria can not offer exployers nothing but low skill workers and lots of people with LPN or similar degrees. I know, I know, you have some people that graduate from UHV but not enough to attract major companies. If you want to see your area get better jobs, you have to expand and it seems like UH is not willing to come to the party, so invite someone else.
September 26, 2010 at 12:23 a.m.the mustache is correct, hold the u of h's feet to the fire, it works. no way in hell u of h wants to lose a campus to tt or texas st.
how exactly does a school affiliated with one system, leave and join another system ?
who's giving this group of 'concerned' supporters the right to do this ?
September 26, 2010 at 12:06 a.m."Supporters of staying put say the system:
n Has experience here and is nearby, which helps lines of communication"
isn't that an antiquated argument in this day and age of email, texting and online meetings.
If that was such a valid argument Caterpillar wouldn't come to Victoria and have plants all around the world.
This just shows how out of touch UH is.
UT has universities all around the state not just in Austin.
I'd like to know if UH really was a willing participant in Victoria way back in the 1960s or did the state make UH take part?
September 25, 2010 at 11:29 p.m.