I think the Vagina Monologues had their run 14 years ago and are outdated, and, from this article/author, it appears that there will always be people who think that their generation invented "sex" (or, euphemisms for vaginas, in this case).
Kind of sad...I came by the Advocate on-line tonight to see if y'all are getting snow this year, and I found this...
thanks Gforce, I hope you have beter luck than Abraham did in Lots home town.
teakin(Victoria Advocate Reporter) just epic burned patriot!
Since you continue to take it upon yourself to post things that are not true, I will do the research for you.
After you READ this maybe you will begin to understand that it may be helpful to research facts before you subject people to your incorrect opinion.
Hicktoria, let me slow it down for you a bit. Caring for someone includes having manners, because manners are what dictates how we relate to other human beings. You might want to consider that psychology class that you mentioned. Also, in the animal kingdom, there is no moral code that dictates how one animal responds to another. It is based on hierarchy and strength, not feeling or consideration. We humans are capable of rationalism and discernment in other people's feelings. That is what separates us from them in the animal kingdom. I hope this helps you escape from your shelter of confusion, my friend.
So, according to your opinion, you have to have manners in order to care about someone?
Secondly, you are saying that manners is what separates humans from animals?
You might want to do some research on the term "manners". You might be surprised that your analogy may be incorrect. Also, a google search on "What seperates humans from animals" might come in handy.
You just proved my point for me, Hicktoria. Thank you. By the way, caring about other people is what we people call having manners. It's the thing that separates humans from animals.
"That is why our society is in so much trouble because some people only care about themselves and don't put other people's feelings first."
Since when is it required that I care about other people's "feelings"?If I wanted to care about other peoples feelings I would have pursued a career as a psychologist.
I don't have a copy of today's Advocate with me here at work so I don't have the name of the lady who called expressing her outrage at the picture the paper printed of the young woman in jeans with her belly button exposed. She demanded an apology for being exposed to such a graphic photograph. Oh, the horror of a bare naval. Society as we know it must surely be crumbling.
I sure hope she didn't see the ad insert for J.C. Penney in today's paper. Right there for all to see (nine-year-olds included) was a good lookin' woman wearing -- gasp! -- no jeans at all; only a bra and panties! If the woman who called saw THAT, she is probably catatonic by now.
That just shows that you have no respect for other people's views. That you are so selfish that all you care about is saying a word just to prove you can say it. That is neither the adult or the mature thing to do. That is why our society is in so much trouble because some people only care about themselves and don't put other people's feelings first. And when someone doesn't agree with these people, they are quick to reveal their own narrow-mindedness and start pigeonholing people or judging them without even knowing the facts. The key is respect for others and not judging them if they believe differently than you do. It doesn't matter why a person doesn't want to hear the word vagina, that's their business and they're views should be respected as much as those that wish to use the word. That's what it means to be an adult.
It is simply sad to know that someone can be offended for talking about a body part. If you are not comfortable with your body or talking about it at least...simply means that person may have some sort of inner shame they are dealing with. However, for that person to project their personal views on the matter to others that do not find it offensive is just as disrespectful. What one person finds appropriate, the other may not agree. That is why I love this country. I can choose to say it along with Aprill all I want!!! VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA
Wow, classy as usual. What a great way to take the focus AWAY from the purpose of the Monologues and the good VC plans to do with it. Some good reading - Theology of the Body.
The difference is that one word refers to a part of the body that is diseased and the other word is refering to a part of the body that is not. Kind of not a very good comparison, but your entitled to your opinion. The reason that many people have an aversion to saying the word or hearing it is that it has to do with an intimate part of the body. As myself and other people have said, there is a time and a place to use certain words. As much as a few people think that it's ok to rattle off any word of their choosing, it's a fact in society that there are standards that should be observed as a sign of respect and dignity. You don't talk about genitals at work, in school, or infront of someone you don't know or an elderly person. Those are standards that we have in society. It doesn't mean people are uptight or oppressive, it just means that we as a society choose to uphold certain standards that we consider important. If a person has a problem discussing a certain word, then that's their business and they should not be judged for that. It's simply childish to do otherwise. Respect for others is what is the issue here, not fear of a word.
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So far this has been an amazing promotion for the play; there was another article today or yesterday as well. I thank the Advocate for letting it happen, and Aprill for just being herself!! ~ a cast member
Actually, I find this whole thread amusing....when else could we get away with saying the things we are without fear of deletion or banishment. Her belief that we as a whole are "afraid" of a word & then start out the article with a bunch of slang words, most of which I have never heard anyone use..."sni-snoo", "fifi", etc....those are childish & immature. I am an adult, when I explained the ways of life to my child I referred to the anatomical parts by their proper names, vagina & penis, that's what adults do. Now in everyday conversation, when vagina comes up & it does because I work in the medical field, we call it a vagina & nobody giggles or laughs. In the intimate world, the use is rather clinical & is not a word that makes one warm & tingly to have whispered in the ear. In the derogatory/angry useage of the word, it lacks punch, but I am known to substitute the "c" word for gaping vagina & it works just as well, makes people stop & think. So yes Aprill, I have been comfortable with the word & part for a very long time, I don't need you to introduce me to its usage. I also feel that this "article" did little to help promote the play, I believe that it is making fun of something that is not meant to be humorous, though the skit on Mad TV was hysterical. Again, there is a time & place for everything.
I still understad where everyone comes from that its a body part and theres a time and a place and not in front of kids..but think about it...breast is everywhere! Breast cancer month and even kids wearing these bracelets that say I love boobies! Now thats okay when it comes to anatomy but not any other part? Kinda hypocritical Victoria...
Like all things, there is a time and a place. Call it professionalism, call it courtesy, but understanding that not everyone thinks alike is what it means to be a responsible adult. Courtesy and dignity are qualities that I fear are being overlooked in this society. Of course words should not be feared, but understanding when to use them is what it means to be mature. If there are people that do not want to see this show, then they are well within their rights to not go, and if there are people who want to see the show, then the same applies to them. Respecting people and respecting the standards of an environment, such as the work place or a school, is always the right move.
Personally, I find one that thinks it is a bad thing to use this word at a particular time or place has shame to hide. It is just a body part for crying out loud.
I guess it is wrong to call your fifth phalange a pinky too then. You never know this is Victoria and people here are down right uptight and stuck in some kind of past twilight zone. OMG, he/she said Vagina! Get a rope! The person that said that is uneducated and thoughtless! It is the devil I tell you!!!!!!!!
And to all of those folks stating that it is an outrage that their kids might see this are delusional. I would lay money that their "angels" who should never be exposed to such a word probably knows more about it than their parents do!
Thank you Jared.
@GForce, well said.
Coming from a guy's perspective, there's nothing wrong with the word because it is describing a part of the female body. That being said, there is a time and a place to discuss body parts. This isn't a subject that should be discussed at work or infront of children, but nor should the word be stricken from the English language. Context and respect are the key to this word. Showing respect to those that don't care to discuss this subject should always be observed, after all it's common courtesy. Don't fear the word itself, but use it with respect and dignity.
Why are we so afraid of the V-word? Perhaps this is why.
First of all, good.
Second, thank you for mentioning respect because this is what this is about. Vulgar slang never fosters respect. Disagreeing with someone's ideas or opinions is not disrespectful. If someone had referred to Aprill Brandon as poontang, I would be at the front of the line screaming about it. Using vulgar slang is disrespectful.
Third, I don't see anyone trying to protect kids from reading the newspaper.
Fourth, I don't believe that Aprill deserves the credit for getting kids to read. I am pretty sure that credit goes to their teachers. Lastly, even though I think you missed the mark somewhat, I agree that your suggestions for explaining poontang are appropriate. It tough enough for parents to explain all sorts of undesirable things to kids these days, I just hate that we have to wonder what negative stuff our hometown paper contributes.
Oh! And now I am VERY INTERESTED in this play at VC and cannot wait to see it. Great promotion!
I absolutely loved this article and it has simply proven its point to the Title of the article. All you people are scared of the word VAGINA!! Good lord people, get a grip! Your 9 yr old is about to get into middle school where they will talk about vaginas and what amazing things they do (childbirth!!). It was hilarious and made me laugh aloud DURING work and I cannot wait to share this with my husband as he too is a coward of the infamous word Vagina. Great Job April! I love this and cannot wait for another article with this much humor :) You Rock!!
I would be THRILLED if my nine year old were reading the newspaper!
First of all, I understand the concerns about a 9 year old child reading Aprill's article and not understanding it.
Second, that concern does not change the fact that Aprill Brandon is a person, a young woman, a daughter, a writer, and she deserves respect. Respect no matter what. Even if you disagree with her ideas.
Third, there are a lot of things you need to protect your children from. Reading is NOT one of them.
Fourth, get down on your knees and thank Aprill for getting your children interested in reading a newspaper. A lack of interest in reading is much scarier than the word "poontang."
Finally, your options for explaining what "poontang" means to a child:1. I'm sorry, honey, that's an adult word and I'll explain when you're older.2. It is a slang word for vagina. It's not a polite word. Please do not use it.
I remember seeing Karen Kirkundall's Vagina Monologues at the old Victoria theater years ago....a talking vagina, no big deal then, no big deal now.
America is the best country in the world!! Thanks for exercising your rights April. Don't get mad. Just come to our play and get educated! Its at the Victoria College Feb 11 and 12. You will laugh. You may be embarrassed. You may cry. You may secretly let your life be affected by it. Its definitely NOT porno. Its just us girls talking... AND best of all, it benefits the Women's Crisis Center in Victoria.
All my life I never understood why it was so wrong to say. Not only that word but penise too. Now that I am a mom I try to teach my daughter in a more mature manor by not saying "hoo hoo" or "ding dong. I think by doing so she won't be shy to talk to me about everything. So far it's doing well. It is just a word. Get over it. Grow up.
This is Trysta Eakin, by the way. Reporter for the Victoria Advocate.
@thepatriot: While I respect your opinion about Aprill's column, it's unlikely your kids had a copy of the paper before your post at "January 20, 2011 at 7:34 a.m." Get Out publishes in the paper on Thursdays; this week was no exception.
Your points, however, in my opinion, are valid in that a 9-year-old perhaps should not be reading the material, especially if the subject of vaginas has not been breached yet.
If the point of Brandon’s article is that we should use the correct word and not the euphuisms, why did she take the cheap shot? A VicAd reader can choose not to read these articles, but it’s pretty hard to miss the huge suggestive picture of the woman with jeans pulled down to her “bikini” line. I blame the inept editor for that fiasco. The VicAd at one time was a respected newspaper. Now Cobler and Brandon are trying to make it an edgy underground rag. What’s next, sex classifieds?I think this is a direct consequence of people learning their life lessons from sordid reality tv. It all rolls down hill. Many people no longer know how to behave it public. It’s that simple.
@KyleC, of course you will find articles about those things you mentioned. How would I respond to my children? I would probably start by saying that the murders, etc. are actions and choices that are bad. Reports of them are necessary to inform the public that something has occured. This case is different. It has taken something good and intimate and made it "just a word." It is in this sense that it is base and which may very well be the first the young minds hear of it.
If the VA chose to print this article, go ahead and do a POLL THIS;
Do you think it was appropriate to print the article "Why are we so afraid of the "V" word?"
I have been pondering on how to respond to this article. April, I believe you are an accomplished journalist, I see now that I have the actual newspaper in my hand that your article goes along with the article about the upcoming play. I feel that while you take the humorist approach to your articles, that sometimes you forget you are working for basically a small town newspaper, this article would not have created this much of a stir in a metro area. We all have body parts & bodily functions, do I want to see articles dedicated to them, not really. I feel you can do MUCH better. If your intention was shock value, congrats, you did. Good taste...not so much, in my humble opinion.
What is base about a vagina apart from being fourth?
How would you explain drugs busts, murders, rapes, and traffic fataliiies to a 9 year old - you'll find such stories in the newspaper every single day.
@thepatriot, wow, I think you bring something to the table that seriously needs to be considered. I thought the exact thing you wrote about and wondered if it would happen. I knew a school in town encourages their students to read the paper and hoped liked crazy they missed this day. Sad. I think it a sad culture that a child will learn about something so incredible in such a base way.
Unfortunately my 3rd grader has a free read session at school, where the school provides copies of the Advocate each day for all teachers. You know the whole Victoria Advocate and VISD partner in Education initiative? Needless to say I found myself forced to try and explain this nonsense to a 9 year old! Apparently he and some buddies randomly found this article during class, and he mentioned it to my wife and I yesterday.
This is absolutely the most careless journalism for public consumption that I have ever seen. April Brandon owes every child, teacher, and community member an apology of seismic proportion! What editor on earth thought to himself that this was appropriate.
THIS IS A NEWS PAPER, not some filth you store behind a convenience store counter or on the street corner of Las Vegas (although it's quickly becoming that)!
I am sorely disappointed, and the Advocate should print an apology! Or have April Brandon and her editor come to my child's class to publicly apologize and explain what "poontang" means to a bunch of 9 year olds!
Cookie, pinkie, "cute & caddy", the box, the black box, the great wetness, the great void, and pocket.
Hubby & I were flipping through channels last night & a Time-Life infomercial was on for country musics greatest hits...I paused to sing "Happiest Girl in the Whole USA", then the Judds came on & my tune changed to "Wynonas got a Big Brown Beaver"......
I am not afraid of the word vagina & I don't need to see or be a part of a play to be proud of being female. My vagina simply doesn't come up often in polite conversation. To annoy my child, when she was 16 yrs old or so, I started calling her my little "vaginal uteral discharge", it cracked me up, she was not as amused, of course this was also never uddered in polite company either. There is a trend here..."polite company" doesn't need to hear about anyones vagina.
Hmm, I wonder what word Charlie Sheen would use?
Thank you...thank you.
this is idiotic.
how about some investigative journalism for a change?
If writers for this newspaper actually knew what words mean, then maybe we would read intelligent/humorous articles. Aprill, please research what poontang means, before you throw it around for humor. Nothing funny here, people.
UNTnick22If the Victoria Advocate needs some spice, then it should STOP BROWN NOSING with the powers-to-be and the gatekeepers of “neo-feualism”.
Beakus..."I often wonder what makes us think it is okay to print something today that a decade or so ago we would not even considered. What in our culture has allowed that change?"
While I often wonder why we can use one word for something and another word for the EXACT SAME THING will get you slammed, deleted or banned.
See you end tea?
I like to refer to it as a "growler".....
At the cost of creating a hostile atmosphere I am going to throw out all those nasty names for body parts. No more "arm", "leg" "bellybutton". I would not offend anyone, "but" it will take awhile to learn "proper" names. Until then I am just out on a "limb".
I'm canceling my subscription to Guns 'n' Ass and getting one for the VicAd. - keep me up, Aprill!
Just to clarify, this column was written to go along with the article on Victoria College's upcoming production of "The Vagina Monologues." Both will run in our Get Out section tomorrow.
Give her a break guys..
So the article was a bit..odd, at least she is trying to engage a different audience. I found it to be funny, and quite interesting. Then again, I'm not a small town, old school, *ahem* hick. If it angers you, then never click the link again. I mean canceling a subscription?? Really? Why not cancel television too, I mean I'm sure you saw/heard something you didn't like too. Way to go April, the Victoria Advocate needs some spice
This is so typical of Aprillllll. It actually reaks of her V alues. You can bet she will continue to periodically push the envelope with subject matter for shock value.
Is this really what the VA wants to allow, being it is one of the oldest and most respected newspaper in the state of Texas. I often wonder what makes us think it is okay to print something today that a decade or so ago we would not even considered. What in our culture has allowed that change?
Well done, Aprill. Some of those I never heard of.
Well the article got your blood pressure up. I'm suprised. I think it's great how over time that times change. What do you fear most? Not saying the words or being caught at it? After all a common word in the english language used to be N____shooter. Dare not say that.
"I mean, you don't want your gynecologist coming in and saying "Your foo-foo has a boo-boo," do you?"
And I don't want my gynecologist coming in and saying "Hop up here and let me take a look at your poontang," either.
Can you say, "Vulgar"? That's a "V" word, too!
There are a lot more important things in the world then this. Like I said on an earlier blog. Is this really news reporting???
Really?! Can the Advocate honestly think that readers indulge themselves in this train of thought, that this was worthy of print?I'd ask what next, but my subscription is being cancelled today. What a joke.
Oh I much prefer the British terminology by adding "bloody" before that particular word....no pun intended.
I still prefer the C-word - it's much older than the V-word and has a very interesting etymology. Its beauty lies in the infinite potency of expression. Calling people a stupid vagina doesn't quite have the same effect.
Oh and BTW...