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Are sure about the "but wiser" bit?
It would appear that many see homosexuals as normal. What about sex with animals? What about sex with small children? Why is that any different? Some are quick to respond that children and animals are victims. Isn't a small child adopted by a homosexual couple a victim? Did they have a choice? And yes, homosexuallity has a victim. It is called sociaty. AIDS is here because of their lifstyle. I am at risk if I need blood in an accident. The person that contracts AIDS in this manner is a victim. No one is stopping homos from living together and doing whatever in their home. Marrage was designed by God between a man and a woman and produces children. (I know what comment is going to be made about that.) Maybe I will change my mind when two women or two men produce a child without any assistance from anyone else. Even for those who don't believe in God, they are still at risk from this lifestyle. Can hetro couples hold a parade in Denver and display their affections publically? Gays can! If a man and woman get too affectionate in public, what happens? Doesn't happen to gays. Who already has more rights?
It could be true that a very few are born with birth defects, when thats the case as stated before then steps should be made to correct this eror if possible. I suspect that this rare condition is being used as an excuse to justify a very filthy life style & the other baggage that goes with these wrong choices that the gays as American citizens have the right to make.
To DEMAND that normal & healthy laws be changed to ease there consiouse & to FORCE other American citizens to accept them is far from being the lowly,humble, hated group that yall claim them to be.
Hats off to the GREAT state of TEXAS for there courage.
Thanks Gary White
"I know not everyone can be saved." That's mighty Christian of you.
"It is people like putGODfirst and the senators, who think society needs to be saved"
Never did I say that society needs to be saved....being guided in the word, I know not everyone can be saved.
Oh and FYI- Brendan is a wonderful person who is battling his own family in what unconditional love and acceptance is.....so he does not need ignorant strangers spouting hate and intolerance. If I had one wish, it would be for uneducated, bigoted and hateful people to be flown to a wayward island, where all of you can live in your own man made purgatory.
Wow. It is days like this that I wonder what happened to the American Spirit? We were founded on the need to be in an open and accepting country. We were in pursuit of happiness and no religious persecution. America is the coming together of ALL people.....and none of us can say who is the "norm" or who is accepted. I can't believe so called religious Christians actually put the names and opinions out there that actually spout "Damnation" of any one. What do we know about the mix up of X and Y chromosomes? God made us all different for a reason. We are not here to "SEE through EACH other..... we are here to SEE each other Through". That does not mean, that we condemn different. What makes us experts on the appropriate way to live our lives? It is people like putGODfirst and the senators, who think society needs to be saved. It is hard to believe that with all the diversity in this country and all of the beauty that comes from that diversity, that any one in this day and age can say such hateful things in the name of GOD and country! I would rather spend my days and nights with people who have good souls than the idiots that say anyone different is morally wrong. I am sickened to know I share the air with such bigots. If you don't like it- I am sure there is a slow boat to China, or to merry old England where they can blindly follow the churches full of persecution and hatred. God Bless all who come to this country and who are willing to follow their hearts to be who GOD intended them to be. I wish you all love and light in your path! Beckey Boyd Gooden
Good work ZoeBrain!
In some parts of the world, it's more common to have a *natural* sex change than it is to have red hair.http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-gueve...
So birth certificates, which are just guesses by the doctors based on genital appearance at birth, are completely unreliable.
As for "sex determined at conception" - what about different-sexed identical twins? Where a single fertilised egg develops into two individuals, one male, one female? His religious belief isn't just wrong, it's *obviously* wrong, as provably incorrect as saying the Earth is Flat based on 1 Genesis.
The reverse can happen two - two fertilised eggs can fuse, and result in one individual who has two different cell lines - possibly 46XY for one, 46XX for the other. At the "moment of conception", we not only don't know the sex of the foetus, we don't know how many foetusses will develop as the result!
Transsexual people are born with what in PC-speak is a "congenital anomaly". What the rest of us call a Birth Defect. They try to get that corrected, and for their pains, ignorant bigots, the malicious and spiteful condemn them - either out of ignorance, or because they just want someone to hate.
And they want Texas to have laws that persecute these men and women too, it's not enough that they themselves hate them, they want to fool decent, God-Fearing Christians into going along with their malice, ignorance, and all too-often, deliberate lies.
Please, I urge everyone to study basic biology. In Biblical days, when livestock of various kinds was visible every day, Intersex conditions were obvious. Ask any cattle rancher about "Freemartin Heifers" even today. Hence the first line of Matthew 19:12 "For some are born eunuchs of their mothers womb...".
Please don't make Texas a laughingstock amongst biologists, just to appease bigots. And don't be cruel to people born with a birth defect, people who try to live as normal a life as possible, by denying them the ability to marry someone of the *opposite* sex. This isn't about "gay marriage", or "homosexuality". Ironically, if you do go by birth certificate, you'll be disallowing straight marriage, but allowing gay marriage for transsexuals. Is that *really* what you want?
As for Transsexual women being "anatomically male" - factually incorrect.
See for example:Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041
This is not new, it's been known about for over 15 years by scientists, and suspected long before that.
SeeA sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70."Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones."
To over-simplify, it's just one of many Intersex conditions, where parts of the body are male, other parts female. Technically, one in 60 people have an Intersex condition, but since most would only be detectable by lab tests, few know it.
It's far more common than most people realise. 1 in 300 men don't have the usual 46XY chromosomes most men do; some are 47XXY, and some are even 46XX, the usual female arrangement. You could be one of them.
"The truth is, an individual who claims to be transgendered is either a male or female in every single cell of his or her body and that individual's DNA has either been male or female from the moment of conception," said Fischer. "
OK, some facts, rather than ideological beliefs.
"A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis." -- J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):182-9.
Mr Fisher would have you believe that this person is male, even though they've given birth to three children. And he wants the state of Texas to change the law to put that notion into effect.
"Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance. The one instilled into his people the most anti-social spirit towards other nations; the other preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence. The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation, is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion: and a step to right or left might place him within the gripe of the priests of the superstition, a blood thirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. They were constantly laying snares, too, to entangle him in the web of the law. He was justifiable, therefore, in avoiding these by evasions, by sophisms, by misconstructions and misapplications of scraps of the prophets, and in defending himself with these their own weapons, as sufficient, ad homines, at least. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore. But that he might conscientiously believe himself inspired from above, is very possible."
Thomas Jefferson - Letter To William Short Monticello, August 4, 1820
That book is a work of fiction :)
That is the way of the world. There are those who don't want to be held accountable to the word, but want to be able to use it to defend their position. Talk about an Oxymoron! Once central theme I keep trying to instill is "love people, hate sin". This is the Godly way of living. The word of God says that homosexuality is an abomination, meaning God hates it. However God robed in flesh 1 Tim 3:16, suffered, died and resurrected so that forgiveness could be obtained because he loves His people John 3:16. After this point people have to make up their mind if to follow Him or not. Remember Christ taught us that we will be ridiculed for what we believe. So keep your chin up brother, and continue to share His word!
Who picked on Gary?! ::taps foot::
It seems some folks are confused as to what gender they are, others seem to be confused as to what is a Bible thumper.
If I claim the Bible forbids gays, then I am accused of pushing the Bible in every ones face, but when some one quotes the Bible to me (so called) & says Jesus said we are not to judge, no one jumps on them & lables them as a Bible thumper & being guilty of forcing there religious belifes on me.
putGODfirst--".......so for the record......if they want to marry let them....just dont expect others to respect thier decision."
Good. That's about all anyone could want. If straight people would leave gay people alone to live their lives, both straight and gay people would be happier.
For the record, I've never advocated gay marriage either. I HAVE said that people who love each other should be FREE to marry if they choose to. I have said that I believe DOMA violates the Constitution on several levels. I have said that if one state allows same sex marriage, gay couples who are married in that state should, under the Constitution, have their marriages recognized as legal in all states. I don't believe homosexuality will "rub off" onto straight people and contaminate them, and I don't believe that truly homosexual people change to become heterosexual. I do, however, believe that some people have tried the lifestyle, for whatever reasons, and decided it wasn't for them.
Now don't be goin and tryin no fancy book learnin. Only book worth learnin is The Good Book.
"of course Marcus Aurelius wrote that piece, he also married his first cousin too. Im sure he felt aspersions cast his way a time or two. It's the nature of what we are."
Of course, you are completely missing the point of the message as conveyed by Aurelius but hey ho...
As to your assertion, I believe it to be doubtful Aurelius gave much of a fig, since it has been estimated that 80% of all marriages in history have been between second cousins or closer and the US is the only nation in the Western World to make it illegal in some states.
of course Marcus Aurelius wrote that piece, he also married his first cousin too. Im sure he felt aspersions cast his way a time or two. It's the nature of what we are.
Not everyone, but if the shoe fits....
can accept the person not the sin... two different catagories.
"Kyle, Dude, that is going to be waaaaayyyyyyy over their heads. Nice try though."
Oh that's right everyone else here can not possibly understand that. We do not have the ability to think logically or on the level of those who think they are right about everything they say. PFFFT
I like that quote. It reminds me that I can only change ME. I also like the Gandhi quote that Put shared.
Yeah multiple wives...not multiple men
Dude, that is going to be waaaaayyyyyyy over their heads. Nice try though.
"If thou art pained by any external thing, it is not this that disturbs thee, but thy own judgment about it. And it is in thy power to wipe out this judgment now." - Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and Stoic Philosopher - 161-180 CE
Throughout history people have wed at ages as young as 13. Not sure how that relates?
How does gay marriage or sex reassignment surgery effect you personally?
God is in everyone, correct? Refusing to accept your neighbor is refusing God. Blasphemer!!
By the way, Cueroparent, quit cherry picking the Bible. I really don't think Jesus likes that. There are plenty of references in the Bible to men with multiple wives.
gota: Our "Hometown" (news)paper has become something between a church newsletter and a weekly reader. I suspect there is a hidden agenda involved with the publication of these articles and the puritian outrage heard from some commenters.
Love the people......hate the sin. That is Jesus's example!
Still trying to understand how this rates becoming the lead front page article in the paper?????????
I can't stand BIBLE THUMPING MO FO'S always throwing the bible in someones face. Always telling someone how they should live or that their lifestyle is wrong. Who gave you the license to judge others ? Have you always lead a divine sin free life that you feel the need to judge and down others ? Does that very bible not say LOVE ,THY NEIGHBOR ??? Or is their a clause you are personally adding in that says except for gays ,homosexuals and transgenders ?? Brendan Gonzales has been a friend of mine for 16 plus yrs and I commend and support him for being brave enough to speak out not only for himself but for the benefit of others in the GLBT community. Everyone is so damn worried about protecting the sanctity of marriage between just a man and a woman. The straight man and woman have shamed the virtue of marriage itself !! Look at the divorce rate between straight people. Just cause two gay people or a transgender marries means the meaning of marriage is going straight to hell ?? It is already shot and not respected. This is America people. We all have the right to live our lives freely and to be happy and accepted in our own skin and to marry the person we love. I commend the Victoria Advocate for being fair to all and for speaking on issues in all communities. Kuddos to you Brendan for sharing your story. Keep your head up and continue to shake off the haters. You deserve to be happy in every aspect of life and you will my friend.
President Obama has declared the "defense of marriage act" which was voted in by congress to be unconstitutional. I thought the Supreme Court decided that - but that being said - Obama says it is unconstitutional and has directed his attorney general and his justice department to not defend it anymore.Seems the issue is coming to a close because our King has spoken.
I truly despair....
Just so you know Im not advocating for pedophilia(sic).
Ok, just to throw a little gas on the fire(knowing this will draw the ire of a few) here's a question. If the law accepts homosexual unions, should it not also accept a marriage between a teenager(13 and up) and a person that is much older? Do away with the statutory rape statute as long as both parties are concenting to the relationship? If your answer is yes to gay marriage, and no to the other, then answer why.
Wayward, I have been happily married for quite some time now. The reason I say that homosexuality is a choice is because it is. I have been in the ministry in different capacities since I was a teen. During that time I have witnessed homosexuals discover that their life style was contrary to the word of God. They made a decision not to live that way.....spent time alone with their God, and after a few years they are married with children and have no desire to live as a homosexual. Now to answer you question. A gay persons right to marry doesnt affect me directly, nor do I care if they do....as i said all choices in life come with consequences, and it is theirs to deal with. I just do not want to open my paper or see if every five seconds in the news. My personal life doesnt warrant publication, neither does theirs.......so for the record......if they want to marry let them....just dont expect others to respect thier decision.
In my opinion we won't solve this untill we can put our arms around each other and find out what the root problem is and it probably starts with lack of love.
Mark, to answer that question, I knew a lady in Brownsville when I lived that that did birth such a child. They did extensive testing to see which hormones the child had the most of and acted accordingly in surgery/ So far, a normal life. and that was in the 80;s
putGODfirst..."I disagree with their chosen life style, but they are free to practice it. I do not feel the need to tell everyone I prefer to be heterosexual, and expect that peoples' love lives remain private."
When did you decide to be heterosexual? 10, 14, 18, 21? When do you suppose those sinful gay people choose to be homosexual? You believe that sexual orientation is a choice, so when is that choice made? Is it at different ages with different people? Since it's a CHOICE, why do you suppose that anyone would CHOOSE to be gay when it obviously causes them such grief? To avoid those problems, all they need do is CHOOSE to be straight. Right? Just make a different CHOICE.
The fact is -- and you really do know this -- is that gay people are gay as naturally as straight people are straight. There is no more choice over it than you had being either right handed or left handed.
I have asked this question several times in discussions similar to this one but have never gotten an answer. I'm going to try again. Maybe YOU can give me an answer. In September, my wife and I will be married 39 years. How will our marriage, or yours if you're married, be affected if a gay couple is married? Will my marriage suddenly fall apart if, as some so quaintly put it, Adam and Steve get married? Will yours? If there is no effect, then WHAT is the problem? With about half of straight marriages ending in divorce, just how do YOU think it would be worse if gay people marry? Would suddenly three-quarters of straight marriages fail because gay folks get married? If we need to "protect" the institution of marriage, don't you think we should first work to fix the reasons that half of marriages today fail? Obviously, gay marriage is NOT the culprit because there simply aren't enough of them to be statistically significant. Gay people and whether they marry is NOT the problem with the high failure rate of marriages today.
We need less government intervention in our lives, not more. To some, marriage is religious sacrament but not to others. But yet, the government doesn't officiate other religious sacraments like baptisms or first communions. Get the government out of officiating religious sacraments altogether. Instead have the government grant civil unions as allowed by the laws of each state and allow couples to decide if they want to enter a religion sanctioned matrimony under the rules a particular religion dictates.
redwhiteblue...Wh at's th e matt er? Do ce rta in wor ds ma ke y ou unco m for t ab le?
Sin is sin, it doesn't matter how big the sin is or how small it is. We can sugar coat this subject and say "only God has the right to judge" and "Jesus wants us all to live in peace and harmony." Truth is, marriage was instituted by God between 1 man and 1 woman.
Yes, we live in a great nation, no doubt! God has always blessed our nation because we were faithful to Him, starting from our founding fathers of the USA.
As we continue to turn our back on God and abuse the freedom that God has blessed us with, we will start to loose God's favor on this great nation.
Hey Hicktoria I've seen some dog face men who even a transplant won;t do them any good that's why they buy harley"s the only male extension they can get.
Hole, I seek not to offend anyone, but if asked my oppinion.....
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redneckandblue, not all homosexuals fit your sterotypical descriptions. Just as, not all people from Victoria are ignorant, backwood, bible-thumping, whitetrash, d-bags. But I guess it only takes a few to spoil the whole bunch. I've been fighting those stereotypes my whole life. "You're from Victoria? What's it like to be in the big city for the first time? Do you barefoot to school? Do you remember the first time you saw a car?"
In all honesty this person looks like he would be fun to hang around with. If he is a blood donor I don't think anybody would care if they needed his blood in the O. R.
Repression is fun to spot!
Same-sex marriage should be allowed. Gays, lesbians, and the transgendered have a right to be miserable just like straight married people!!
I guess it's puzzling to just plain old folks why women who want nothing to do with men, try so dang hard to look like one, while men who want nothing to do with women flit around emulating exaggerated mannerisms. Hom ose xuals will hiss and spit about their rights, and are quick to compare it to the plight and suffering of African Americans. Those folks did not choose the dehumanizing suffering of slavery as a lifestyle, so can it with the comparison. The verbal assaults from the "gay" community are often vicious. They crudely refer to straight or married couples as "breeders." Perhaps they choose to ingnore the fact that they're here only because a man and a woman had normal s ex. Deal with it. And thanks, but I'll ignore all the crude comebacks all the hom os exuals on this thread will surely post.May God help and bless our America. We're in trouble.
You don't feel the need to tell everyone your sexual preference. I can totally relate to that. However, using the people that do as a basis for blasting a whole segment of the population is the problem. How is asking for equal treatment throwing it in your face? If there was equality, then I think the conversation would stop, wouldn't it?
You missed the point I was trying to make. If you really don't care what people do, then why would you get so bent out of shape if someone talks about it?
Would you feel different if people started telling you that religion is private and therefore should not be talked about it public. "Change your avatar please. It's not that I don't respect your choice to serve God, but I find the idea of being a servant to be disgusting and repulsive. How could someone promote and celebrate something to repugnant as to indenture themselves to someone else? Have some self-respect for crying out loud."
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just like the movie. " SON YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
As I understand this article this is just a small matter of "housekeeping" to tidy up a law that did not get all the godless heathens.
Once the fine minds in Austin complete this important piece of critical legislation they can move on to putting the Confederate Battle flag on our license plates so the world will love and respect us as a forword thinking state.
Gloria7, I'm not exactly sure if you were specifically directing your comment towards brendan so forgive me if you weren't BUT if you were then let me tell you this... He is a very very very close friend of mine and is very intelligent and kind, this article doesn't give to much information about him and close minded people will never get the chance to meet a truly amazing person, but to add to your comment that you made without knowing this Brendan respects EVERY VETERAN and even people still serving in the military, he himself is a veteran of the MARINE CORPS, so he fought for his rights just like every other veteran has fought for everyones rights....
What was meant what you do in your personal life is your business, but dont blast it around everywhere. I disagree with their chosen life style, but they are free to practice it. I do not feel the need to tell everyone I prefer to be heterosexual, and expect that peoples' love lives remain private. The media doesnt have the "responsibilty" of reporting matters of personal nature. Such reports only inflame and as I stated in my first post cause division.And to answer you question...I believe what the bible says, each man is responsible for their own transgressions.
"I personally do not care if homosexual marry or not, where I take exception is the world trying to make me accept it!"
That's possibly the most confusing statement, made by someone other than Writein, that I have read in a long time. If you don't care, then you don't care. You're posts seem to say something else entirely different. You seem to care a lot. You can't say you don't care and then take a side at the same time.
You sound an awful lot like the person that starts a statement with, "I don't want to sound like a jerk, but..." If you don't want to sound like a jerk, then don't. Pretty simple.
Question: Do you believe that God punishes everyone for an individual's sins or does He punish the individual?
How is it the Republican party wants small government, no government intervention into private lives and limited powers of the government, unless it has something to do with marriage, sex, religion or women's wombs?
Ron Paul is starting to look less and less like a kook every day.
Rebecca - 's OK. I gotcha drift anyway.....Seems people on this thread are too wrapped up in their own righteousness to notice scientific reasoning anyhoo....
Ooops, I said it backwards. LOL
Rebecca - "What if a woman found out that she had two X chromosomes instead of an X and a Y?"
Well, I would hope she would feel normal, as women SHOULD have two X chromosomes......
tyler,God's example is hate the sin not the person. I dont hate anyone. However i do hate the fact that I get inudated with homosexual agendas everytime I read the paper.
I am so glad the fine leaders in Austin are working so hard on our largest problems. Maybe they can solve the issue with improving our education system. Oh, yeah. They did that.............reduce the number of teachers.
This horse is dead people, quit kicking it.
putOMGfirst said : "Every major society that has had homosexuality as mainstream (Greeks, romans, Sodam, Gamorah(sic)....) has fell into ruin."
Tut tut. See correlation versus causation.
Jesus said that people are to refrain from passing judgment on the servant of another. None are answerable to anyone but God in this matter, so it would behoove everyone else to butt out and learn to live and let live! What, after all, does God require of us but to love kindness, to do justice and to walk humbly with our God?
I was talking about Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. It may not have much to do with this topic, except that it reminds me that I don't understand enough to deny rights to others.
For EVERY choice there is a consequence, both good and bad! I personally do not care if homosexual marry or not, where I take exception is the world trying to make me accept it! If you were homosexual, I wouldnt try to put my heterosexual agenda in your face every five seconds. If you want to say I am on a high horse thats fine, it's not the first time and as the Bible say it will not be the last. However, history says that you are on the losing side of this one. Every major society that has had homosexuality as mainstream (Greeks, romans, Sodam, Gamorah(sic)....) has fell into ruin. The life style simply did not flourish and neither did the people that practiced it.
There might be one in a million exceptions, but what the liberals
are trying to do is to grab on to the exception and make it apply
to the masses!!
If you were a true hermaphadite, that could be an exception.If you were a clearly born female or male, LET THE LAWS APPLY!!!
If you want to be gay or lesbian, that is your given right in America.To choose.
But if you are gay or lesbian, it is not your right to MARRY under the HOLY BIBLE OR TEXAS LAW!!
Live with it!
Blah Blah Blah!!!!! Let people be people. Suffer the consequences...realy. Come on we are human and we all deserve equal rights that is what being an American is all about. Get off your high horse and get over yourself. This is so lame that people want to argue this stupid crap. There are bigger things to worry about then people getting married....who ever you are. Do what you want I to...I do!
rebecca,even hermaphroditics have a main physical charecteristic. everything else is a choice
So, how are people who are born with both male and female organs tagged on their birth certificate? TBD? (to be determined) Who would make this determination?
The sad part about all of this is alot of good men died so this (person) could have the freedom to practice this type of lifestyle. Whether you agree or not we need to be good stewards of their BLOOD.
People who support gay marriage claim those that don't are "denying the rights" of homosexuals. There is no "right" to same gender marriage.....only marriage. Everyone has the SAME right to get married and, likewise, are expected to follow the SAME rules of marriage.
Tax breaks? What tax breaks? LMAO.......that would be the last thing on my mind when pondering entering into a same sex/transgendered sex marriage. I did think of the tax hit I would take when I enetered into my dual sex marriage....it isn't called a marriage penalty for nothing.
Enough with this pro/con crap on gays/transgendered people....I think we all know the pros & cons. This is one subject where minds won't be changed on either side.
I was completely unaware that I commanded any Roman military units - awesome!
I was happy to read about the legislation New York passed this weekend and i feel the trend will continue across the country.
I do agree with putGODfirst that the various regurgitations of the subject matter are becoming tedious to read on here.
Put, is gender so cut and dry? black or white? What makes a male a male and a female a female? "Parts" or DNA? What if a woman found out that she had two X chromosomes instead of an X and a Y? Is she male or female? What if she wants the outside to match the inside? Should she not marry? If she does, is she in a same sex marriage? What determines gender?
Do we know enough to deny rights?
I don't understand why VA wants to continue with controversy such as articles like these. It is nothing but divisive, and to be blunt disgusting to many of your readers. If a person chooses said life style then that is their business and not one that needs to be debated. I believe that what they do is morally wrong( kyle and cohorts I know what your reply will be) and will have to suffer the consequences of their choice.