Can’t hardly wait for the VA wildlife biologist commenters to turn into meteorologist come next hurricane.
jb: What I said was this: "My point: the peak of the fawning season is long past" in reference to my original statement, which was a generalization noting that now is not the time of year regarded as fawning season for deer in Victoria County.
I did not say that "none" were being born now. After all, the last couple days of June and the beginning of July is not the time of year whitetails in this area have fawns -- again, with a few rare exceptions noted.
I am glad you realize that the vast majority have indeed been born and any that hit the ground now are the exception and certainly not the rule.
Also, perhaps you misunderstood what I said. I never compared an older deer to a fawn. But if a person can't determine the age of an older deer (pretty easy, by the way), their chances of knowing the difference between a 6-week old and 6-hour-old fawn are probably somewhat slim.
There's a fawn here -- born in late March -- that has grown somewhat slowly and still can be found nestled up in a neat little ball during most parts of the day. The little buck still has the characteristic spots, and I'm willing to wager that most would consider it a newborn, never mind that it is several months old, nimble, alert and can -- and has -- outrun predators already.
I understand the large majority of the deer were born in May and June. But to say none were being born around this time of year was wrong. Try not to compare a 3 and 5 year old doe to a day old fawn.Come on down to Riverside and check out the fawns. You can see for yourself. Heck, you should probably call TPW and tell them that there is some strange deer activity at Riverside, they may want to re-write their guesstimates on the absolute end of all deer births in Southern Texas
Try to have a good day Bobby and don't sweat it, everyone is wrong every once in a while.
**Since I can't add to my post a couple of minutes ago, I am deleteing it and re-listing.**
Don’t let science and research stand in the way of your opinions. After all, to some people, a deer is a deer is a deer. To others, that is not the case.
And just because the word “graze” can be applied correctly to one species or used loosely as a term for feeding does not make it a scientific reality or category for all others.
For instance, the elk is considered BOTH a grazer and browser. From the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department: “Elk are both grazers and browsers. In the summer throughout their range in the West, their diet consists of shrubs, trees, and grasses such as willow, maple, and rye grass. In Texas, they eat desert plants like agaves, as well as various species of grasses.”
From the University of Wyoming regarding whitetail: : “…pronghorn and deer are browsers. The majority of their diets are made up of forbs, shrubs, and trees. In particular, they tend to choose the most nutritious parts of woody plants – the leaves, buds, flowers, and fruits.”
Some deer, like the imported axis, can thrive when the browse levels are critically low. The whitetail, considered primarily a BROWSER, can’t. From the Texas Parks and Wildlife department: “However, unlike the whitetail deer, both sheep and goats can utilize grass when browse becomes scarce. (The whitetail) is not physiologicgally built to do so” and thus is at a “disadvantage compared to” exotic species. The whitetail “can’t digest fully mature grasses.”
Hmmm…it would hard to be a “grazer” if you can’t digest fully mature grasses, right?
Now, jasonbourne, as to when you wrote: “No, I can't tell you the difference between a 3 year old doe or a 5 year old doe, but I can look at a small spotted dark brown blob laying on the ground at my feet and guess that it was born in the last 48 hours.”
If you can’t tell the difference between a 3 and 5-year-old deer, let me point out that the word “guess” – a word you so properly chose -- in relation to the fawns is rather important here.
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I guess the deer at Riverside need to start talking to the same TPWD biologists you do Bobby. Maybe you could drop off some pamphlets for these deer in the park to read.
No, I can't tell you the difference between a 3 year old doe or a 5 year old doe, but I can look at a small spotted dark brown blob laying on the ground at my feet and guess that it was born in the last 48 hours.
Puns make me horny (or antlery).
BobbyT, If that is what makes you happy, wonderful.
geesh, let up folks, look at the bright side, 98 words without a spelling error.
I mentioned what I did because I am tired of the proliferation of incorrect information. BobbyΜολὼν λαβέ
OK, for those seeing 5 "newer than a day" old fawns today in Riverside, perhaps you should go buy a lotto ticket. (And I assume you do know how to age a deer, right?) Here is what the TPWD biologists say about this region:
"The earliest whitetail breeding in the state occurred in this ecological region. Breeding occurred in the period August 24 to November 25. There were two study areas: the northern study area had a peak date of September 30, while the southern area was a month later with an October 31 peak breeding date. Does showed a 92 percent breeding success and 1.6 fetuses were found on the average for each doe sampled. The majority (90%) of the fawns would have been born by May 10 in the northern area and by June 6 in the southern area."
It's really pretty simple.
Nice photo of Bambi. Now lets get into a wizzing contast about horns and spots. We are sure it will aid the local education of our children that just lost their teacher.
And they get drilled by texas rednecks come october deer season.
Well Bobby, I hate to disagree but you clearly stated the deer are "not having fawns around this time of year". That is a direct quote. I saw 5 brand new younger than a day fawns at Riverside this morning. That's today as in July 1st.
If you want to come across as the resident expert on something and bash the advocate or whoever wrote the article, you should be a little careful in what you write.
Graze/Browse...Horns/Antlers, who really cares? I think most people got the jist of the story.
I forgot to say: If you'd ever spent any time observing the whitetail, you'll know that the young of the year in this area can still have spots as late as November.
Again, the presence of spots on a fawn does not mean it was just born.
I never assumed any were born early and never said or implied as much. times. Yes, many fawns still have spots, including some that hit the ground in early-to-mid March. But like people -- and based on many environmental conditions -- they grow and mature at varied levels.
As anyone who knows whitetail can tell you, the presence of spots on a fawn DOES NOT mean it was just born.
My point: the peak of the fawning season is long past.
I have three fawns that move through my property every day, sometimes a few times a day.
Still spotted, all three of them. Thanks for your "expert" opinion, but you'd need to look all around the region before assuming all fawns were born early this year.
The photo is nice. However...
Whitetail deer do not graze. They are browsers. Deer do not have horns. They have antlers. The deer are not "having fawns around this time of year." Most fawns are already several months old and losing their spots. And "male deer" are properly referred to as bucks.
---The Advocate wrote: "While grazing on the green of Riverside Golf Course, a male deer freezes when he spies a photographer hiding behind a tree. The deer are having fawns around this time of year. It is common to see the male deer develop "velvet" on their horns, which they will later scrape down on brush and it will harden. The deer enjoy eating the forbs and weeds that grow around the golf course. Parks and Wildlife District Supervisor Rex Mayes said people should not mess with fawns they may find hidden in brush whose mothers have gone to find food."