I don’t think pilot makes any sense, if we want to stop all the dog aggression problems why don’t we test all dogs instead of just one breed? Fact is that it’s not against the law to own an aggressive dog. Why should I not be able to own a dog that doesn’t pass a certain test because it’s a pit bull but my neighbor is able to keep his German Shepard that'll attack anyone in site? Does that mean we're not able to have dogs that protect our house now? It all goes back to responsible ownership, regardless of the breed.
pilot - I present you with the (golf clap) very nice sir!
Exactly. It's because the majority of pit owners know nothing about the breed, that makes them dangerous. They assume they are like every other dog and they can just treat them as such. There are specific things a owner must know about their pits, other than "they are such sweet dogs". If the dogs act gentle to them, then they think they will act gentle to everyone else and they do not take the necessary precautions.Education is the key. Unfortunately the responsible pit owners will have to pay for the irrisponsible pit owners' actions. It is a public safety issue as long as people are so ill-informed.
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Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one no matter how ignorant on a topic they are. Man I don’t even know where to start. First let’s address the statistics given in this article. How do they decide what breed of dog a person was bitten by? A stray dog runs up to you and bites you and then runs off. Looks like a pit bull to you so that’s what you report it as and that’s assumed to be 100% accurate. My point is how many people can actually identify what a pit bull really looks like. Here is a list of 25 purebred registered dogs that fit their breed’s standard. Please select the pit bullhttp://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbu...Now that you have selected the wrong dog I want you to imagine how many times this simply mistake was made when identifying a pit bull. I can keep going on but I’ll let you dwell on this and move on.Next let’s talk about people humanizing dogs. The guy in the article was fine with pit bulls until he saw them kill his cats (if they even were pit bulls). You have to understand that they didn’t kill the cat because they were pit bulls; they killed the cat because they are dogs and that’s what dogs do. Yes, I know there are plenty of dogs that get along with cats and some of those dogs happen to be pit bulls. Pit bulls aren't machines, they are dogs. Flesh and blood, no different that any other dog. If you decide to own ANY BREED of dog it’s your job as the owner of caring for and securing YOUR DOG. You can’t blame a dog for being a dog, they were just doing what dogs do and their owners set the dog up for failure. I also saw him say he is against chaining dogs up and blah blah blah. Dogs are animals and were meant to be outside. Nothing wrong with having them in the house but just because a dog isn’t lying on the couch or on your bed doesn’t mean it’s being abused. Before this recent animal rights craze it was VERY COMMON to see dogs chained up in the back and I believe that dogs have been alive and well for hundreds of years. Chaining a dog doesn't make it aggressive; lack of socialitization is where you might run into a problem. As long as you spend time with your dog there is nothing wrong with chaining one, in fact I would prefer that over a dog living in a crate or having a working breed that isn’t about the run, jump and play because it has to be come in the house all day. I could go on all day but my post would be longer than the article. If people would educate themselves on topics before running their mouths the world would be a lot better off. A pit bull is a dog, nothing more and nothing less and they are great dogs that it sounds like the people in Victoria might being missing out on unfortunately.
I just love how Haters us the CDC statistics but don't understand them. CDC clearly states that Dog statistics are Innaccurate, because while a Lab/ Rott is considered a Mutt and goes into a completely different category as a Lab or Rott, a Lab/Rott/ Pit is considered a " Pit Bull" rather than a MUTT.
You can KILL all breeds of " Pit Bulls", but nothing will bring back those lives from other Breeds. Who the Fucc are you to choose who's life is more important.
Now you want to bring up dog fighting- there are more than 20 Breeds used for Dog Fighting & Bull/ Bear/ Hog baiting. Why only single out the " Pit Bull" for that Fault- a Human created these Breeds.
Kill all " Pit Bulls" and Thugs will just use another !Kill all " Pit Bulls" and Breeders will just Create more....
People wake up & get out of LALALAND- All dog attacks can be Prevented, but while you are here waisting time blaming the Lower Being( a DOG)- the Human gets away with everything.
Kill all Pit Bulls and there will still be Attacks & Deaths- the problem is not solved.
There are more than 5 Millions Registered APBTs in America & less than 20 deaths a year from that Breed- so it obviously isn't the Breed.
" BSL is based on the erroneous notion that certain breeds are genetically more dangerous. There are 2 important principles that have emerged from research in Behavior & Genetics;(1) that virtually all behavior is Influenced by genes, but;(2) that virtually NO Behavior is Determeined by Genes. Simply put, even if certain breeds were genetically more dangerous; it does not follow that they will necessarily be more Dangerous."
Here are some more ACCURATE STATISTICS FOR YOU from the AVMA.org
More than 53 million registered dogs- 334,000 people will be admitted to the ER in the US. More than 1/2 of those attacks are to children under than age of 12. In more than 90% that Child was Left alone with that DOG. ( parents fault they should be in jail)Over 80% of those attacks were from UNNEUTERED MALES.
AVMA " 1st a dogs tendency to bite depends on at least 5 interacting factors; heredity, early experience, socialization, training , health ( med & behavioral) & the Victims Behavior"
CDC " Decreasing dogs bites requires active & ongoing community involvement; passive or Periodic alternations will not solve this Problem"
CDC & AMVA are both against BSL ! Just FYI !
Even National Geographic Channel proved that APBTs aren't the Strongest Breed... Just check out " Dog bite Force" and " Dog attack styles" on Youtube. A Mastiff/ Am Bulldog/ Rott & GS all had a Higher PSI than the " Pit".
Dog aggressive dogs kill other dogs.1) directly2) displacing more adoptable dogs at pounds while the bully types languish awaiting adoption (that may never happen) or euthanasia, or while being held in quarantine after biting3) by making homes unavailable, as a home with a dog aggressive dog is unable to save other dogsPits/bully types can be friends one minute and killing the next. Even the Pit Pushing websites say "never leave a pit unsupervised with other pets." Why would anyone who truly cares about dogs want dog aggression to be a continuing trait?The rescues that promote bully adoption are doing a disservice to all dogs, as those who cannot adopt pits from rescues (landlord issues, small kids, etc) then BUY pitty puppies. Rescues should promote adoption, not a breed type! If you are against BSL, stop being breed specific, please!Even the Marine Corps BANS pits/bully dogs/wolf hybrids/Rotties from base housing. Why? Because they have sadly learned the hard way.Mandatory, free spay/neuter is the kind, smart solution. For those showing their lovely AKC Staffordshire Terrier, and not breeding for money. won't mind paying a $2,000 permit to have that one non-neutered dog.
I had a pit bull, got him when he was 8 wks old, he was raised by me & I treated him like a baby, sweetest dog in the world unless you were black. I had noting to do with that prejudice, it surprised me when a black friend came over & the dog went at him like he was going to kill him. He also tore apart anything in the house that was black, my ventriloquist doll & my Raggedy Ann were both victims. We had to find him a new home, as sad as it was to get rid of him, he was getting too big & too hard to control.
Was at the vet yesterday with my cat & saw a family with 7 girls ages 9 to infant come in with a pit puppy. The first thing I said to my husband is we would be hearing about them on the news & the second thing I said is how funny it is they will pay for a dog to go to the doctor but they won't pay for their kids. SMH
here's some reading for you:
Bully breed dogs (American pit bull terriers, Staffordshire terriers, American Bulldogs, etc) were bred to bite, tug, hang on. The videos of bully breed dogs hanging by their jaws for HOURS show how this is a breed trait, and is instinctive. The rope was not doing anything, the voices on the videos say that the dogs do not need trained. Just show the dog the knotted rope and the dog is hanging from its clenched jaws. A number of individual bully breed dogs might not be "good" at this, but it is a common trait with many/most.
A Golden retriever mix gets loose, wanders the neighborhood and sees a pair of gardening gloves. Instinct kicks in and he "steals" the gloves, carrying them away. A beagle mix gets loose and comes across the fresh scent of a rabbit. Instinct kicks in and he begins to bark and follows the scent. A bully mix gets loose, comes upon another animal/ a human, instinct kicks in and he's tugging on the victim's head. None of these dogs are "angry", they are doing what feels "good" to them. The difference is that the bully breeds are so "good" at maiming and killing.
Bully breeds/ fighting breeds had their instinct to warn of intent to attack bred out of them. The pro pit websites explain that one minute your pits might be fine, and suddenly, without warning there can be a full blown attack. No baring of teeth, no barking, no snapping, just attack.
Add to the fact that bully breeds were bred for "gaminess" i.e. the instinct to not quit, even when the victim shows COMPLETE submission, or even after the bully breed is severely injured and you have a nightmare on legs. The old dog bite prevention advice to "make like a tree", "curl up in a ball and hold still" doesn't work with the bully types. They will continue to maul and to even kill in some situations. Google “breakstick pit bulls” and get an education about their gaminess. It seems that during an attack, some actually are not able to let go of their victims.
The Pit/bully dog Pushers must take their fingers out of their ears, stop saying "lalalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you." and get to work solving the problems that bully dogs create. Even if you only care about the dogs themselves, bully types suffer more than other breeds, from abuse, and homelessness.
And STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS! "the child must have moved" or "the lady probably looked at the dog". These are not valid excuses for being maimed or killed!
As human population increases and we are forced to live closer together, we lose individual freedoms. We cannot afford to own aggressive breeds of dogs, any more than we can have chimps as pets. Guns can be locked up; dogs and chimps can escape and become a threat to innocent neighbors.
The kind, sane answer? Mandatory, free spay/neuter for all aggressive dogs, all bully breeds. It is kind for everyone, including the bully breeds themselves.
Pit Pushers: What solutions are you presenting?
Do you want me to go find the many, many, articles where pits killed their own family members when they had never bitten before? All it takes is one time with a pit....the first time. Oh but wait, since it is your dog, it will never happen, right? Can you swear to that on a stack of Bibles, or promise that it will never happen, on your kids lives? It doesn't bother you that your dog could attack someone else's child, just so it isn't your own, right?Any animal can have a bad day, have a tooth ache, have some other pain that is making them grouchy. When animals are grouchy and don't want noise, they can revert back to their natural instincts and attack that which is bothering them and oftentimes that is a screaming baby or small child that will not "behave" according to how they think that child should be behaving.
I have had bad encounters with pit bulls, more than once. But Im still against banning them. Make the owners responsible! Have them answer to any animals they own. And Im not talking about this crap where the officer 'has a talk with the owner', or the owner says 'it wont happen again'. I get growled and barked at in my own yard at least twice a month because of my idiot neighbors lack of responsibility.
born2beme.... point is my pit has never biten anyone! so yeah compare that bruise and blood to a dog that has never biten a kid! what dog is worse? wait my pit cause she's a pit... is that right?? placing my pits in a category of all pits is just as wrong as placing me in a category with people who are thugs cause i have tattoos. thats all anything ever comes down to.. a bunch of prejudice people. i stand up for my dogs cause i know how it feels when people judge on something they have no idea what they are talking about...... you for instance.
You people simply amaze me. Comparing dog bit "bruises" to chunks of flesh being torn away, teeth penetrating skulls, and other gory injuries.Pits bite much like a shark bites. They grab ahold and shake, where most dogs just bite and let go. They do not let go for any reason. Those are the traits that are bred into them for fighting. Fight to the death and do not surrender...ever. Pits usually cannot be pryed off of their victims. That behavior is not like other dog's behavior. Bruises? What a joke.
it amazes me how prejudice people still are towards the breed... ive seen a miniature doberman bite a child before, huge bruise! made the child bleed but i bet that breed would never be banned. my 2 1/2 yr old pit has never attacked anyone. and now i even have a 8 month old. they live inside, sleep on the bed once in awhile and could lick you all day. but my dogs should be banned??? leave the damn dogs alone!
I am amazed that somehow the Pit Bull's association with the major ILLEGAL activity of modern day organized dogfighting has not been mentioned. These dogs have been selectively bred to attack and kill for over a century and the notion that this tendency is not genetically transmitted is absurd. Perhaps if folks spent more time in biology, genetics, and ethology class they would be better informed.
Herding dogs are bred to herding dogs to create dogs that herd. Retrieving dogs are bred to retrieving dogs to create dogs that retrieve. Fighting dogs are bred to fighting dogs to create family pets?
Don't get me wrong every time I see a report where a pit dog kills or maims a person the dog-owner always says the same thing, "It's never done ANYTHING like that before! Never showed a bit of aggression EVER before. I don't know what happened."
As always the government has the last and weakest response and private industry (lawyers and insurance companies) have begun to step in.
I do smile when the Pit owners claim risk assessment is "discrimination" ....as much as they LOVE their dogs you would think they would be happy to pony up the extra $$$ the Insurance man tends to want but apparently love has it's limits.
Breed bans aren't necessary as dog owner legal culpability slowly catches hold. In the civil courts progress is already being made (there are already large city law firms that specialize in DOG BITE LAW). When some one has the liability cap on their homeowners exceeded and a lien on their homestead their puppy selecting skills may be honed.
When legal culpability in the criminal arena catches up you will see some real change. We are not there yet but I believe that in the future you will see dog owners in prison cells for their dog's actions. That day cannot come too soon.
Loving your dog is great but assuming FULL LIABILITY for it is another proposition altogether.
Props to the Shelter folks for recognizing the liability associated with these animals.
BSL is a failed and costly policy. Breed-specific legislation (BSL) comes in many forms, from extra insurance policies and special licenses, to outright bans of particular breeds. It generally targets a small set of dog breeds. It attempts to curb dog bites and dog attacks by implementing policies focused specifically on those breeds. And it is always a complete failure - technically and morally.Some people mistakenly believe that owners of these so-called "dangerous" breeds do not care about public safety because they object so strongly to BSL. On the contrary, these owners are acutely aware of the need for strong non-breed-specific dangerous/vicious dog laws, and they fully support efforts to strengthen and enforce those laws. However, these owners also realize that the problem of dog bites and dog attacks does not lie within a single breed or group of breeds. The problem ultimately lies with the individual owner, and that is where the focus of dangerous dog laws should be.Legislation needs to be focused on the negligence of irresponsible owners, and NOT the animal. Enact legislation based upon behavior and not by breed or the appearance of the dog.In the recent past, two of the nations’ oldest and most notorious breed-specific laws, in Toledo, Ohio and Topeka, Kansas, were unanimously voted away by their City Councils. The laws were replaced not out of a desire for political correctness or love of the dogs, but because they caused cost overruns, shelter overcrowding, lawsuits, and wasted animal control resources.Recently Delta, British Columbia also repealed an early 1990’s-era breed-specific law classifying all pit bulls as dangerous, because city staff could find no credible research linking dog bites with breed of dog: “…it appears animal behavior is determined by both genetic and environmental factors. Some of those factors include the owner’s maturity level and ability to meet necessary time commitments of dog ownership.” Source: Delta Optimist, June 12, 2010.BSL has never worked because it does not address the basic issue of lack of owner responsibility and canine management.
Hicktoria,I will give you another example. If the "pit bull type" dog was not around, what "type” of dog would a "gang member" be walking around? The problem is not the "type" of dog but the other end of the leash.
You have got to be kidding me,what is wrong with these crazy people..oh so.y'all are God now and should be able to exterminate a breed..you will have to pry my pit from my cold dead fingers..people these days should worry about themselves rather than everyone else.. if you don't like them don't ocwn them... I can't stand Chihuahuas don't mean I think they should be banned..y'all need to be banned freaks..
uncommonsense - that was a well thought out educated argument. However, WRONG!
I will give you one example. How often do you see a gang member walking a beagle?
Get off the high horse and take a look around you! You will be amazed at all of the things you have been missing out on...
I believe the number one reason for the proliferation of incompetent and even criminal dog owners, is the failure by authorities everywhere to enforce the breed neutral laws, based upon the individual behavior of each dog, as they stand. The ‘pit bulls’, Rottweilers, German Shepherd Dogs, Chows or any of the other breeds and shapes targeted by the ignorant for discrimination, are not the root of the problem.It is an issue which, in spite of being shamelessly overblown by a ratings-hungry media, still deserves the attention of people who are capable of looking at it objectively and coming up with solutions which are fair, effective and fiscally responsible.Some people mistakenly believe that owners of these so-called "dangerous" breeds do not care about public safety because they object so strongly to BSL. On the contrary, these owners are acutely aware of the need for strong non-breed-specific dangerous/vicious dog laws, and they fully support efforts to strengthen and enforce those laws. However, these owners also realize that the problem of dog bites and dog attacks does not lie within a single breed or group of breeds. The problem ultimately lies with the individual owner, and that is where the focus of dangerous dog laws should be.However, it is my belief that breed specific legislation (BSL) is not just canine phenotype discrimination. It is also dog owner discrimination. It is the assumption that should we humans choose to own specified breeds or phenotype of these breeds, that we are irresponsible, negligent, and uninsurable. This discrimination is not aimed at dogs, but rather at people who own the dogs. It is unjust, unacceptable and morally wrong. Discrimination in any form is not to be tolerated.The railroading of citizens because of the shape of their dog is far from amusing. It creates profound emotional distress and distrust of government in the persecuted. It promotes vigilantism, mob mentality and a lack of respect for living things. It also leads to expensive lawsuits launched by those who value equal application of the law. As studies have shown, BSL results in zero reduction in dog bites and maulings and exposes ill-informed officials to the public eye.The answer lays in education, not more unfair, unenforceable legislation. All we ask is equal protection, equal treatment under the law.
More information for those who do not understand why
Ask Pepper if he likes pit bulls.....
Wow. No, they should not be banned. My cousin back in Cali owned a rescue for pitbulls and five of these "monsters" ran through her house daily. They were the sweetest dogs I had ever been around. When kids came over, the only dog that needed to be locked up was my chihuahua! He was too protective of me and would snap, while those big teddy bears just licked the kids faces and wagged their tails.
Bad dogs come from bad owners. There are many bad owners of these dogs.
Train the people, not the canine.
Lets be real, banning would not work. Most Pit Bull problem are owner related. My Dad had a pit years ago, treated her well, sweetest dog, even when she had puppies, no aggression. His brother-in-law had another pit from the same litter, rough housed with the dog, encouraged aggression, no one could be near the thing, just plain mean. These dogs require love and disipline.Increase the responsibilities of the owners-- impose large fines if a dog is found running loose, any dog (any breed) caught running loose and bites someone should be put down. Require yard signs.
Banning pit bulls would be as effective as gun control. It would only effect those that choose to not only respect the breed but the law.
Wonder if the advocate would ever do a story on Pomeranians? If you take time to google this breed you will find several documented cases of severe aggression. Check out this article!
Should pit bulls be banned or restricted? I vote NO!!!!!!
Hold the people accountable for their dogs actions!!!!!!!
I am a college graduate with a dual degree in Political Science and History. I wrote my senior thesis on the APBT.
Bottom line: What makes a good dog? A responsible owner. A dangerous dog? A bad owner.
The APBT scores higher on temperament tests than the Collie, the Beagle, and many other "family dogs" that don't get slandered the same way they do.
It is more common than not to hear "pit bulls" referred to as "dog-aggressive". In fact, they aren't. Some may become fearful around other dogs due to a lack of proper socialization. But this happens with all breeds of dogs, not just "pit bulls". Unfortunately, this lack of socialization is frequently encouraged by those who fancy themselves "pit bull" experts. Citing the breed's history as a dog fighter, some people believe there is some kind of magic "dog fighting" gene or brain chemistry that is passed along from sire and dam to puppy. The truth is, there is no such thing."Aggression is a behavior, not a temperament."
The majority of "pit bulls" never bite or kill anyone or anything. When they do, the reasons are the same as they are for any of the other breeds who bite or kill. Poor supervision and lack of proper training and socialization by the dog's owner is to blame. This explains why so many unrelated breeds are involved in aggression incidents. Breed is not the deciding factor. The home environment is.
Any dog can bite. Any poorly trained and unsupervised dog may bite unprovoked. Those who hope their dogs will behave aggressively are usually successful, no matter which breed the dog is. The sad reality is, this means that many breeds are purchased for the stated purpose of "protection". Everyone then blames the dog's breed when it behaves the way it was encouraged by the owner.
as a proud owner, my parents were upset when i came home with a pit bull pup, now 7 years later shes part of the family, loved by friends n family, travels wit me, and has been raised to be so loving, she comforts me when im sad and excited when we have company, can chill & watch a movie, or party in the backyard! shes awesome and changed the minds of so many! yes shes protective of her loved ones, like many pets, bt in the right way!
buckylee8875 - I guess the natural instincts of that particular breed means nothing eh? Good owner or not DUH! WINNING!
Sure ananymous2011 - people that have children injured by their own pit bulls trained them to do that. What an idiot.
I have had pitbulls for the last 13 years and never had a problem. They loved to play with my kids and were very sweet dogs. Last year my youngest, 3 yrs old, was bit and had her lip torn open. Guess what! It wasn't my pitbulls that attacked my child, it was a stupid little cocker spaniel! Now my child has a scar for life from a freaking cocker spaniel!
It makes me so angry that people think certain breeds are better than others. " A pitbull is genetically bred to fight.." NO IT'S NOT! THEY ARE TRAINED TO FIGHT BY IDIOT, UNCOMPASSIONATE, JACKA$$E$ WHO NEVER CARED FOR THEIR DOG TO BEGIN WITH! Read up on the breed before you make a such comments!
I love my pits and I will never have any other type of dog in my home. They are the most caring dogs I have owned.
Would you rather get bit by a trained pit or chihuahua? DUH
It's not the dog, it's the idiots who train them the fight! If any breed if dog was trained to fight, it would.
Yes, ban them they are a menace to society - people that own them should be arrested and thrown in jail for having a concealed weapon and creating mayhem.