Tafoer.

Just because Harrison Schltz, whoever he is, said doesn’t mean it’s true. Then again should I consider the Tea Party as racist because of the likes of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Mark Williams? http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-...

I rest my case.

holein1
You're quite welcome but it wasn't difficult because you've been consistent all these years.

Thanks for the compliment, Mike.

I'm not anti-business or anti-capitalist, I'm anti-serfdom, anti-slavery anti-plutocracy. Unregulated big business is another form of tyranny--government of the plutocrats, by the plutocrats and for the plutocrats.

holein1 was being facetious because he's probably one of the few moderate conservatives... He gives grief to liberals and conservatives alike.

Bonni3, I see that you have a hard time recognizing sarcasm.

Dude that is status quo...or should be if you complain or are concerned. Sadly cant at job as I moved mine oversees...yeah gotta love offshoring outsourced jobs...even if in management. My view of this occupation movement was above status quo. Items such as rallies for a month straight at deleon plaza with grievances. Marching from there to city council. Etc

Jlordtree.
The answer is NO!!!! But people who are fed up should challenge the powers that be at city council meetings, at their offices (with respectful intent), on the Opinion page, and yes the BALLOT BOX.

Kudos to holein1 for the best tongue-in-cheek post of the day. I hope.

You WERE kidding, right?

okay so we occupy the Wells Fargo building where her offices are? (or at least should be...I had moved overseas for a while where government corruption really exist that would make you grateful to have the corruption we have here). I know of the issues Writein, my challenge if you look through the entire thread was being true to the movement. I will be the first one to go after the golden parachuts from the bail outs...there are differing thoughts on whether or not they should have been done in the first place...I will let the economist duel that one out. I also would hold companies and politicians accountable for stimulus money (i.e. Solyndra).

Storyteller,

I have a somewhat different view of "fine family". Back in the day there was a well known phrase connected to the John Birch Society.
"If your Mommy is a Commie then you gotta turn her in!"

Huge wealth is not a measure of good. It is a measure of stepping on people.

The Koch's have had a very checkered history and money does not buy integrity. Just fear.

JLordtree.

You asked me a question which you should already know the answer of. You asked me, “Why occupy Victoria? Is there something city council needing to do? The whole occupy movement started by occupying places that need change....going to protest the slow street construction?”
Allow me to educate you about the issue at hand concern Victoria and it surrounding area. I am not here to berate you, but what rock you been living under for the past four years? We, in the crossroads area, have a State Rep in Genie Morrison, who has certain business leaders dictate policy. Case in point, the entire Texas A&M/UH-V mess from last year. Why not look at the Make-up of the so-called Education Commission of the crossroads?
I guess you don’t want to believe me because I am not a conservative . You don’t have to take my word for it. Talk to people like Edith Ann, Dale Zuck, BS Spotter and yes former County Judge candidate Matt Ocker. Talk to them people, JLordtree.

Mr.Williams

Bonni3.

Thank you, your post is worth a million. We have on this site a bunch of so-called grown men whining and complaining but yet bash a young 29 year old lady for doing something. This tells me where the problems of the world originate from.
I shall join this Movement.

Mr.Williams

Wait just one gosh-darn minute!! Do you have any proof that the federal government is a poor manager? Do you have proof that they cannot handle money?

I don't know about you but personally I want the government to control more aspects of my life. I mean come on! I don't have enough time to take care of myself, AND work, AND save for retirement, AND decide whether or not I want to pay for health insurance, AND pay for groceries, AND teach my children, AND have the latest and greatest, AND tweet and facebook, AND watch 4 hours of tv a night, AND eat healthy!!!

Life is just too hard to try and do it on your own. My friends and neighbors, the world we live in is vastly different from the world of 1776.

@vet43 You asked, "Anyone know what the Koch family politics might be and who they fund? This Mega company is owned by the Koch family and it is larger than many countries in size and worth."
The Koch's are a fine family. Koch industries is the 2nd largest (i believe) privately held company in the country. One of their subsidiaries is INVISTA, the company created when they bought Dupont's nylon business. They are huge philanthropists. They are also the primary funding source for the ultra conservative Cato Institute. They believe that government should stay out of the way of private business. Period.
They pump large amounts of cash into Tea Party organizations so that they can promote their agendas. At one time they were founders of the John Birch Society or so I'm told.

Harrison Schultz, Occupy Wall Street organizer. We are Anarchists and Revolutionaries. His words, not mine.

If any of you have read the manifesto of the Occupy Wall Street group you would realize that it is about socialized medicine and anti-private business. It appears that what they want is to have more government involvement in our lives. Do we need change???? YES!!! What we need is to get back to what our country was built on. Less government and more personal responsibility. Our nation is in crisis because we have let it get that way. We have to take back the reigns and direct our leaders to do what is best for everyone and not just select groups.

So we've changed our facebook name to Occupy Wall Street Victoria Alliance.

Yeah the International Business Tribune, which despite it's title is a pretty mid-line source in this matter is just a gossip rag, not research...okay. While it may be leaderless, organizations are still involved. All being leaderless does is prevent a "head being cut off" as one Fordham University professor says. Anyways, we are done on this..as you said, you dont have to agree with me, and I dont you...we are all entitled to believe and say what we want.

Born2Bme, I guess we are reading a couple of peoples comments totally different. Yeah I can feel for the ranchers that are losing money, yeah there is corporate greed, but as long as capitalism exist people are going to be greedy....heck even in a socialist society there is greed, power, lust, etc....thus the reason it fails...human nature is greed. As much as we like to deny it, the lust of more more more takes over. Many say, well I work more to make more because corporate greed causes prices to rise....but in all reality, how many people would turn down a raise? We are just getting what is ours right? How many will turn down a nice big fat bonus? Yeah some may do some good with it, but in all reality lets be real....we all have an element of greed in us. Greed is the desire for more than is needed...we then have to ask, what is need and what do we do with ALL of the more? I can say, for example, the celebrities complaining about corporate greed, are not about to give up their 20 million dollar a movie contracts and move to a 1000 sq foot home and give away anything in excess of the essentials that many of us live on. Calling for anti-greed in itself almost becomes contradictory because many times we say that from the same motivation. Not condemning, just observing. Well I am a little on the celebs who preach but do not practice.

I agree Borgland, I don't see how we can make the unemployed Americans enemies of the state, but don't you dare talk ill of the big bankers and Wall Street because that's class warfare.

I remember our newspaper running a story about a lady from Goliad who decided to get involved in the political process by joining the Tea Party. I believe she went to rally in Washington. I don't remember all the ruckus, name calling, or trying to tie her to a radical movement.

I do agree we need to reinstate Glass-Steagall where we can separate the casino like investment firms from banks holding grandma Lucy's savings...If they want o gamble with their own money ,have at it...No chance of it passing when lobbyist money takes preference over bank customers...Certainly not with the 112th congress.

I agree with you guys on the name Occupy Victoria if we're not going to act. I do however support those that are trying to bring justice to Wall Street. If we get organized to act then we will. I support the GLASS - STEAGALL ACT. I am not however a socialist or even very left winged...although I have left winged ideas. This movement to me is not about ideology but justice. Pure socialism and pure capitalism do not work. That is just a fact. I am a rationalist if anything. I believe people have the right to have their own opinions but fraud is fraud. These fat cats on Wall Street ripped us off through fraud. Whether you're right, left or mid center...facts are facts. The only thing I'm pro about is doing the right thing. Big government and Wall Street want to scratch each others backs while we suffer...that is wrong. People say this is a left movement..I say it's an American movement. People from all walks of life are rallying against this. I know not all the people on Wall Street are corrupt. I know not everyone in government is corrupt...but there sure is enough corruption going that it should make all of us mad regardless of political beliefs. That's just how I feel. If you see this differently because the news has told you that, I respect your view point.

Jlordtree

Addbusters spearheaded the first 17 protesters who didn't get any media attention at all. I don't consider the latest gossip, research. That group might have even named the movement " Occupy Wall Street" but at that juncture it was still unnoticed. As I've said I've watched these protests for several weeks now and they are leaderless without a fixed agenda.

You're entitled to place your name calling and suspicions but don't expect me to believe them. You can make the protest anything you want...You don't have the only source of information or the only television in town. I am capable of watching the situation and making up my own mind.It may change as time goes on but right now I just watching frustration with any truth certain labels...It's only been 18 days.

Just because the usual the entertainers/activist like Michael Moore,Susan Sarandon are supporting the movement doesn't mean it's about them or their ideas.: Code-Pink may show up but it won't make the moment about antiwar.

It's more about- Patrick Burner ,a 23 old student liaison between the media and the protesters or Betsy Fagin, a Brooklyn woman who started the " occupy Wall Street" library. Bottom line, these protesters across the nation are protesting our dire economic situation caused by Wall Street. You don't need a leader for that. We have not seen one person from Wall Street indicted.

I don't think anyone on here is anti-business. We are anti-greed, anti-corruption, anti-confederacy.
Don't you feel for people like rancers, who, because of this drought, now have to sell off their herds for little or nothing, only to sell them to someone who makes all of the profit off of his back? Do we get a break at the grocery store? That is what is going on in big business these days. The ones doing the back-breaking labor get nothing, while those who sit on their behinds all day make it all. It's wrong, it's unfair, and it is what will bring this Country to it's knees. Starving out the foundation and main support beams, will do nothing to make this Country stronger, it will make it fall.
If you are not intelligent to notice, it is happening right now.

Actually I am just questioning if not aligning with the official movement then why the name. Also, I bring up the ties because just like in sex, you want to know who you are getting in bed with. If you are good with it and know, then all is fine. I would like to throw some of the big corporate CEOs under buses...but some others have done good things. If you are anti-big business, then I challenge you, how actually free are you? No television? no corporate radio? Growing all of your own food or only at independent food markets? Make your own car? Keep you own money in your mattress or the cookie jar? If you are going to be anti-capitalist or anti-consumer or anti-big business, then live it. I try not to support any company that received bail out money, but I am not completely anti-corporation.

I will say this again: Big business is the real anti-American, anti-democratic and anti-freedom movement--for anyone save themselves. Its time to call them out and prosecute them for their role in destroying our nation. If you take their side, you really don't understand what they are about. Period. No amount of right-wing rationalization can change that reality--a reality that will catch up with their "peasant" supporters--you people arguing about "class warfare" and "socialism"--when they are all so poor that they can never get free. Mark my my words: You will live to regret the day you threw your fellow citizens under the Wall Street Bus. But you can't cry then, it will be too late.

So Bonni3....a group that "wants to discuss with the community" is any different than the discussion that is happening here? Thought this was a discussion. Plus complaining on here? Isn't the occupy group complaining? So one group has the right to complain, but not another about the groups complaining? Sounds circular I know, but complaining often is ;)

Mike and Vet, do some research. The socialist ties with Days of Rage and Adbusters are pretty clear (two of the organizers). Not so much anti-democratic...but anti-capitalist.

I think that it is ridiculous that people are on here complaining. That is the exact reason that this group needs to be started because all Americans do is sit around talking crap but doing nothing about the severe issues in our nation. We the people need to stand up against the corruption of our big government and against Wallstreet and demand that justice be had instead of sitting around on the internet patronizing a for a being a true American! Thank you Jennifer Janak for being a leader in this community and in our country as a real American citizen! To all you complaining, your just hating cause you didnt think of this idea and cause your too lazy and scared to actually stand up for what is right!

I think the Occupy Victoria facebook page is a joke. And if you want to make changes you need to have a list of demands or a manifesto. If you aren't alligning with the Declaration of Occupation you shouldn't allign yourself with Occupy Wall Street, and instead call your "movement" something other than "Occupy". Just my two cents. What do I know.

I fully support Occupy Wall Street and hope that congress will pass bill HR 1489 (to reinstate provisions of the GLASS - STEAGALL ACT). However, I would venture a guess that Occupy Victoria has nothing to do with that.

"Ties to the old Underground Weathermen." Really? How does one come to that conclusion? Maybe they are just folks that need jobs but Mega Corp has gone into the bunker mentality and is making sure the CEO's & CFO's have pocket money before investing in company growth and creating jobs. While some of the stockholdes have lost their life savings the Board has to find a new megamansions.

As the Donald says, "I don't feel pain. I have people that do that."

Good grief. It's about time normal, everyday, people get involved and try to do something to better this Country.
The problem with this Country is that people are too easily led around by a nose ring, owned by special interests.
I hope this kind of things takes off, nation-wide.

Do not assume anything about me. You don't know me. I don't live off the government. I don't take welfare. I live in a very modest house with very old cars. My husband and I have been smart enough to know loans and credit cards are a joke...have you ever met someone with a bachelor's degree that never took out a loan and never owned a credit card...well now you do. That's me. Thank you

You assume I'm well off. Please stick to the topic and refrain from personally attacking me. Thank you

Are we going with random name calling?
An anarchist is someone that wants to abolish government- these Americans are protesting Wall Street...I don't know how an unemployed American protesting can be called a socialist....

I applaud Mrs Janak for standing with the protesters who are stepping up and calling a spade a spade. Far from being "job creators" Wall Street types and big business in general are "all about the Benjamins Ba-by." They generally have no loyalty to our nation, they don't really care about anyone who is not like them and see ordinary people as peasants or worse. They control our government for their own ends and create new "grassroots movements" like the Tea Party when they worry their grasp is threatened. They are anti-American, anti-democratic and anti-freedom for anyone save themselves. Its time to call them out and prosecute them for their role in destroying our nation.

Then why occupy? The occupy movement is all about marching and activism....not discussion. Which strangely enough the only occupy victoria pages on facebook I can find are in BC, Canada when I search it. They are actually marching on parliment there on the 15th...again action. Don't call it something because it is trending or has a cool name.
@tafoer...you are totally correct on your anarchist and socialist part. It does not take a lot of digging to find that information out. I would say more socialist than anarchist, but there are ties to the old Weather Underground in this movement.

What's unique about the protesters in New York City is the fact that there are no leaders or a single agenda and mostly are students worried about their job prospects and middle aged people who have been recently laid off. This is their 18th day of protest on the financial districts of New York. I've been watching this for about 15 days, listening to interviews, and it started out peacefully until the pepper spray incident. The protesters were mingling with the policeman who identified with them, because they lost several dollars of their own pension fund.

Like the tea party movement, it started with small numbers but then Fox News and corporate money made them and major political force. This small protest started with about 100 protesters who were being ignored by the media. Then the entertainers joined in after the pepper spray incident. That brought the national attention.

When one network covered the protest they panned the financial district and you could see blocks and blocks of people lining up for the few jobs that were available. This same network covered other large cities where I saw similar lines.

I've watched these protests every night and from what I've seen; they're not organized, they are in groups with different agendas but that is just my observation. Some are there having a good time and others are just curious bystanders. If they had a single agenda it would be plutocracy....IMO

http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets...

Do not get deterred Jennifer Janak,you are a patriotic American making a stand...Kudos

I had hoped the Victoria Advocate would publish the article from Bloomberg's Market Magazine. It seems our neighbors to the south of Victoria may have been selling material to Iran and giving bribes to African, Mid-Eastern countries and India to receive special treatment to do business. Anyone know what the Koch family politics might be and who they fund? This Mega company is owned by the Koch family and it is larger than many countries in size and worth. I am sure they have all Americans best interests at heart. And if you need a heart they will sell you one for a small fee.

krpickens,

We're being duped & fleeced by the unholy relationship between Big Gov't and Big Business. They're mutual enablers, so blaming Wall Street alone is myopic, diversionary, ignorant, and/or lazy.

We have to ask ourselves:
• What could each accomplish without the other?
• How big could Big Gov't get without the privately-owned Federal Reserve printing presses?
• How big could Big Biz get without the consolidating effects of regulations & taxation?

Corporatism is the real enemy to us all.

It's always so much easier to attack someone else than deal with the issue at hand. Wall Street bleeds the American public dry, someone in Victoria wants to bring attention about that and some of you are angry because someone is trying to wake you from your iPad dream land. It doesn't matter that there are people that have degrees and good education that are struggling in this economy as long as you can get reception on your big screen TV. Wake up folks. You are being duped by politicians (on both sides) and corporations (who are considered more human than you). Occupy wherever you are!

@Storyteller...that is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to discuss. How we felt about this movement and were we as a community think we can voice our opinions. Notice I said we need to take note of what's going on...I don't think we can ignore this movement. All this article says is I wanted to talk about it. Not march. I'm concerned about health care and education but isn't everyone?

This is not in any way, shape, or form a grass roots movement. Look at the leaders of this movement and see what they want. Anarchist and Socialist are in the lead on this. As someone posted elsewhere, the sixties radicals are using others to continue their struggle. The local group here in Victoria should disavow the things going on in the streets of Wall Street.

JLordtree, you are correct with your posting!

Must be a socialits!

I wanted to discuss this with the community to see how we all felt about it. We all have different concerns and worries. I think it's important to express them and talk about them.

Good government starts at home.
Reminding the bureaucrats who they work for starts at home.
Making sure that our elected representatives clearly understand that their role is to serve on our behalf starts at home.
Fiscal management starts at home.
Excellent education starts at home.
Good government starts at home.

No I have a vision and everyone has jumped to conclusions. The paper contacted me. I didn't contact them.

wow so then you do PR prior to setting a vision or plan....yeah

For what it's worth: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

This Occupy Victoria is being taken completely the wrong way. We just feel things need to actually change in the way things are ran. I think we can all agree with that. There's no need to march in Victoria but we do feel like a lot of people are scared about the course of our country. That's all we were trying to say.

@ writein, yeah the tea party had 700 people arrested in one day? And what group is being called names? I am not a member of the tea party, and dont like them very much, but can recognize hypocrasy. What is really interesting is somehow the occupy people thought it would be a good idea to have Rosanne Bahr speak to the media on their behalf. Apparently she thinks rich people that make more than her should give their money back or be executed by beheading. The irony is we see a bunch of the celebrities coming to occupy wall street in their limos, calling for wall street and the rich fat cats to give their money back....yet they do not set the example. That my friends is a performative contradiction. Occupying wall street and Washington movements at least made sense due to who they are sending messages to. Why occupy Victoria? Is there something city council needing to do? The whole occupy movement started by occupying places that need change....going to protest the slow street construction?

I can dig it.

So it's important that the REAL Occupy Victoria discredit what's trying to be done here. That's good. We should all work together. There is no plans for marching onto city hall. Information is key. If people want to get together on this, that's great. But there's no need to judge if you really don't know what the plans are. Plans are in the beginning stages.

good article. Too bad there was already an "Occupy victoria" page up already before their meeting even started. So this group did a better job at promoting the event. It was a pure co-opt, they spent 3 hours deciding the change the name to something else, and then a bunch of us left and formed the REAL occupy victoria group. We will be at parliament because the FEDS are more responsible than city hall. We don't want to pick the best kettling spot in town, so we'd rather be at parliament. This was a disaster tonight, hopefully occupy victoria will continue, and whatever politcally correct bs title they took to disassociate themselves from the word occupy is fine they can come and join us at the REAL culprit's doorstep. Hopefully not after a kettling and a skull cracking and a we told you so from those of us who got fed up and left as a group after watching the crowd dwindle to about half because people were TIRED of the useless bantering.

Tafoer

Why is it sad? There are saying the same thing what YOUR TEA PARTY have been saying. Second. At least she is doing something instead of you old graying men whining and complaining.

How sad!