siub,

I respect all Veterans and extend that also to you and thank you for your service. Because I might disagree with someone is not cause to call them "stupid and sick in the head".

The unfounded rumors spread to discredit our nation just to drive an agenda for a political point is not good for our future.

Fact: 4 hijacked airliners were used by 19 terrorist to kill nearly 3000 innocent Americans on Sept. 11, 2001. That is a very hard cold fact.

Semper Fi Vet43 and thank you sir for your service as well! Semper Fi siub

Hicktoria,

Wear the Globe and Anchor with pride. I find calling a Veteran a punk to be repulsive and in some places harmful.

Proud to serve with all our brothers and sisters.

Just by looking at the preponderance of evidance from multiple respected sources tend to tell me what happened. I have been on this planet long enough to recoginize smoke jobs that the only purpose is to spread doubt and fear.

I truly believe that much of this thread, that was suppost to be about a drug bust, is only to create an atmosphere of distrust to farther a destructive agenda of hate.

Just my opinion based on the real world. And a little common sense.

I have removed no posts. Wait another conspiracy theory lol!!! BREAKING NEWS : Hicktoria removes posts from the VA. Call the FBI. HAHA Check with the moderator here if you want and you will get your proof that I did not remove any. OR, You may want to check further down the thread though and see who said it McFly...

As far as you calling me out on the Insignia, I wear it proudly THANK YOU

Hicktoria,

For you to relate my personal convictions about seeking the truth, to some sort of lack of respect, or worse - cruelty, towards the atrocities of 9/11, is complete manipulation. Nice try. And the usual end response of someone who can't stand a citizen who doesn't believe the official story.

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You must have a guilty conscience. Show me where I stated any of that. All I said, is that what you were spewing was a conspiracy theory. Several people here provided you valid information to prove it. You say you are educated in building design. Check out this video on the 7th building. You will see why it failed. If you are still not satisfied with that proof, I will call Elvis Presley up and set up a lunch date for you two.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/875726/...

Sounds like a few folks here believe this whole "round earth" theory is a government plot to poison our minds with dis-information.

We all have the right to believe what we want to believe, but when it sounds like something from a very bad "B" movie expect some snickers.

Thanks to all who have common sense.

siub says: "Wow. You guys are ridiculous. Making jokes, about events involving the murder of innocent humans"

I agree that Legion's joke was in poor taste. But what you and other "truthers" do is far FAR worse. you people are absolutely sick in the head and have ZERO basis in reality.
EVERY
SINGLE
THEORY
has been proven, PROVEN false.
planted explosives,
freefall speed,
hologram planes,
highjackers still alive,
military shot down United93

every single conspiracy theory is mired in BS, lies, misdirection, and utter and abject STUPIDITY.

You accept as truth, any statement no matter how absurd, so long as it fits your preconceived idea of conspiracy.
You reject out of hand any real scientific proof as false without being able to prove it false. or you just claim it to be misdirection as part of the supposed cover-up. or worse, you just flat out ignore it and contiue spewing the BS that was just proven false.
Truthers are seriously sick in the head. SEEK HELP.
Everything else that siub has stated is just as false as those points I have already addressed. I just have neither the time nor the inclination to go into every little BS argument that 'truthers' put forth.

siub says: "There were no "layers" adding weight to the one below, failing, stacking up on the next "layer" below, and then repeating this process for 52 levels. IF a building ever were to collapse in this manner, you would see the walls peeling away from top to bottom."

So there were no levels above the impact zone eh? In what fantasy do you call reality?

And if a building were ever to collapse that way, the walls would peel away? not drop straight down?

You mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbG1Yn...

siub goes on to say: "However, the walls stayed perfectly in their vertical plane until hitting the ground, and destructing from the "bottom up" as it reached ground level."

Again, look at the above video for proof that siub is lying and/or has not one dang clue as to what the He double hockey sticks he's talking about!

siub,

Today is Sept. 11, 2011. Maybe we could try to remember that these comments are sometimes not just wrong but cruel.

siub says: "Besides, BUILDING 7 WAS NOT HIT BY A JET. Please, please acknowledge that simple fact."

A sure sign that siub has alreeady lost the fight by using a strawman argument.

NO ONE is or has made any claim that WTC7 was ever hit by a plane. Everyone HAS ACKNOWLEDGED that fact.

What WTC7 was hit with was thousands of tons of debris from WTC1 which despite suibs BS claims, DID NOT fall within it's own footprint.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IGZLkbR7jWs...

Damage to WTC7's southwest corner from floor 18 down.

because of the geometry of the locations that photos and video are available from, few views of the full extent of the damage is available. because the most damaged portions of WTC7 faced inwards towards Ground Zero. most views of WTC7 were from the opposite side from the damage.

siub says: "The lowest columns, within the first level, all failed, simultaneously. Therefore, everything above the first level of columns went into freefall. With perfect symmetry."

completely false. zero truth to any of siub's statement. In point of fact, some of the lowest columns are the only portions of the buiding to remain standing.

http://www.sikhnet.com/files/news/201...

That photo shows ground level columns remaining upright for both towers. one tower had an entire face remaining. This photo also shows the falsehood of siub's claim of falling within it's own footprint.

http://www.illinoisphoto.com/pictures...

Another photo proving false the "collapsing within own footprint lies as well as the lower columns remaining upright.

In both cases the collapse started at the zone of impact. and was the combined result of the tremendous weight of the floors above the zone of impact bearing down on the damaged columns as well as the failure of the floor trusses due to heat fatigue from the fires (a combination of burning jet fuel initially and sustained by all the burning debris within the building itself)

siub says: "Haven't they heard? All you need to do is light some xerox machines and office furniture on fire sometime mid morning, wait until that afternoon, and the building will fall directly into it's own footprint nice and neat."

Simple fact is that the WTC DID NOT collapse within it's own footprint.
The collapse footprint covered 16 acres and 95% of the debris was outside of the tower's base footprint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YWahz...

Just to keep a open mind about WTC7, why don't you read and listen to what the firefighter on the scene said about the buildings damage and "small" fires.

Another "short" article...

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Heck, just look at the pics and video.

My last comment on the subject.

After read some more posts I think some major "Oregano" made it into town.

I don't know Mike, IMO, the published report from MIT I posted explains things the best despite what some believe to be the "truth".

I guess you can consider the WTC as a loosely rolled joint standing on end, cut the paper about 1/2 the way thru in the middle of it and light it on fire there and see what happens. lol

Wow,how did a marijuana bust turn into a Truther thread?

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/...

siub - conspiracy theory! I guess the fact that all of that jet fuel burning and the way the building was designed had nothing to with it at all eh? Once the top layers failed the weight alone pushed the next level down on top of the other thus creating more weight... This has already been proven by an experimental collapse.

Are we hearing these comments right? Harmless weed? The weed may not be the problem but the people that will butcher other humans, old, young, female makes no difference. Kill for profit. There are "narco" songs calling them heros.

Harmless?

He had pack of rolling papers in plain view thats what gave law enforcement probable cause to search!!!!!

You will never end this. Too much money floating around all of it. Both sides win and lose. Cops win for having the job to catch them. Growers win if they get it past them. If they really wanted to end it, you would have to be legalized here. Only problem is you still have other drugs to deal with...

And u really think someone is gonna come bail him out? I'm the Mother Teresa too. Ok so say Texas legalizes marijuana, what about all the 18-wheelers, Suburbans, Expeditions, vans, boxcars, what have u filled with Mexicans, Hondurians and anyone else trying to enter the United States illegally? Is that too difficult to manage too? Oh, and what about all the rapists and pedophiles? And the thieves and murderers? Make all the beer/ale/wine/whiskey/liquor/alcohol you want, just don't try and sell it. If u think marijuana is so good and u can't live without it then move to one of the states that have legalized it. If u aren't willing to move then u can sit in the pokey like the other brain-fried idiots.

Reefer madness...hee hee!!

That weed is probably low grade mexican dirt weed. Support Hydro and Sativa strains with higher THC.
Support local growers :P

"... hauling used oil from Mission to Houston."
Now that's refreshing!

Who smokes this stuff?

Yeah dps! Wish u would find $$$$$$ & hit them where it really hurts - their pocket!! Stay safe troopers.