If the business has a ban on firearms on their property the 2nd Amendment does not apply.
Debunker, TXWader, VISDMom, Stillthewaywardwind....BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO.
OTHERS.. Here's a thought.... Remember The 2nd ammendment gave you the right to exercise your 1st ammendment.
Most of those commenting about banning guns from the workplace have the most ridiculous of reasons why.
Take for example: "Some things can trigger uncontrollable emotions and force people to take actions without thinking.So guns at work place should be banned."
By that reasoning then Guns should be banned EVERYWHERE, not just the workplace.
But just try to take my gun away. You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands first.
Attempting to disarm the Colonies was THE SPARK that set off the American Revolution.
If you have the proper qualifications, If you have gone through the proper training. Then you can carry.
Those workplaces that individually ban weapons on their premise have the right to do so as well. Though the logic of that is just as faulty as the reason for banning them described in the example above.
The only people who are going to respect their banning of weapons on premises, are NOT the ones you have to worry about. Or do you think the criminal come there for no good will "Check his gun at the door" before robbing you? All the workplace ban accomplishes is make ripe and unarmed targets for those who don't give a damn about the laws.Certainly some places such as Chemical plants by their very nature and the volatility of the things in them... but in general? No.
TXWader, VISDMom, and (can't believe I'm saying this but credit where credits due) Stillthewaywardwind, are some of the few commentors here with any common sense.
One thing that is somewhat overlooked by the article AND the commetors....
"He said it is up to the individual company about whether it allows employees to have concealed handguns in the workplace."
The problem is, If he had it out and was showing it around... It's NO LONGER CONCEALED and thus a violation of his license.
A gun in a work place or a place if business that kills or injures a bystander and you might want a very good lawyer. Logic dictates you will lose your business and most likely your posterior.
Automobiles are not designed to shoot bullets.
"Think about this regarding guns in the workplace. You own a company and allow guns on the property. You or a family member works there or is there for any reason. A bullet leaves the gun (accidental or otherwise) and kills your or your loved one.
Do you think the company has any responsibility to your or your family?
Now we know why there are no broke lawyers. "
With this kind of logic...automobiles should be banned from the property as well. We all know how many of those are involved in serious accidents everyday and how many have we seen driven through businesses lately??
all the local chemical plants are gun free 'inside the gate'
I know of at least one plant that lets you park your truck outside the gate if you carry
Think about this regarding guns in the workplace. You own a company and allow guns on the property. You or a family member works there or is there for any reason. A bullet leaves the gun (accidental or otherwise) and kills your or your loved one.
Do you think the company has any responsibility to your or your family?
Now we know why there are no broke lawyers.
Darwinism at Its finest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWWJa...Listen to what he says just seconds before the gun goes off.
Everyone that wants to use a gun should be forced to watch this every time they want to pull their gun out. Any time I hear someone say "Hey let me show you my gun" I immediately go on high alert. People do stupid stuff all the time. I expect them to do even stupider stuff when they have a gun in their hand. They can make fun of me all they want when I tell them to stop pointing that thing here or there.
Listen to what he says just seconds before the gun goes off. LOL!
If the employer allows guns to be brought on the property. How about your Petrochemical plants? Any idea what a stray round could do there? Maybe a welding shop? High pressure/flammable might leave a mark on your body.
Guns have one propose. Push a bullet into or through something. The gun really does not care what or who.
"Weapons in the workplace are totally unacceptable."
Why? Are they more likely to have a negligent discharge in the workplace as opposed to at home, in a barn, on a boat, or while riding a moped? That comment is asinine for the simple fact that it detracts from the sole person responsible, and that is the person whose hands it was in. Period. End of story.
Dude reminds me of that "I'm gonna protect you" CHL holder at that Houston Denny's. Dropped his gun and shot an elderly lay in the butt.
Visdmom and Txwader: Sounds like there are some Sensible people on Our earth! Thanks for the comments.. I myself believe in education of weapons, handling. We all forget ,let Our guards down, Our minds are forgetful. therefore we need to remind Ourselves and others the Safety of guns.. reading this article, just makes me realize how easily we forget handguns, all guns are dangerous.. I believe all should be aloud to carry a gun with the proper education and permits. Glad to hear the men are ok
TXWader wrote:"...just the guy who pulled the trigger." (is to blame only)
I think your wrong here TX. It's all the guns fault cause, along the same lines, this stoopid keybord and dumb pencil I use is always missspelling wurds for me!!! (<--- sea?!)
TXWader - YOU ROCK! Finally, someone with common sense who believes people need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame someone else!
Now, I grew up with guns in the gun cabinet, not locked, knew not to touch them unless with a grownup; went hunting with my grandfather and father, love to shoot handguns, and don't have a problem with people having a concealed weapon permit.
Just for the record, those with concealed weapon permits are not walking around just waiting for the moment when we can lose our minds and shoot you. There are exceptions to each and every rule, of course, and history has shown that even the most meek housewife can go off the rails and kill her husband or children, but generally, we just have our permits for self-protection. We have to take an intensive class to even get our permit...you can't just fill out an application and, voila' here you go! We take the responsibility seriously. We're not crazy, paranoid rednecks. We are educated, law-abiding citizens. The meter-readers of Edna are not out to get anyone.
My apologies for the rant. I simply get tired of the implication from those who don't like the law that allows for concealed-carry permits that those of us who do carry are some kind of fringe element, barely educated, backwoods, hillbilly type who can barely carry on an intelligent conversation (let alone write a coherent sentence), and who certainly don't belong among those governing our state or country.
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the idea of city workers, electricians and who knows who else, having permission to take a gun to my house while at work? I really don't want to piss off the meter reader in Edna.
I wish them both a speedy recovery.
justanotherDesertVet, "Jackson County Coop needs to be held responsible for allowing this to happen."
No, the moron who pulled the trigger on the loaded handgun needs to be held accountable. He's the one to blame, just him and no one else.
Not the company, not the firearms manufacturer, not the ammunition manufacturer, not Jesus, God or the Trinity; just the guy who pulled the trigger.
Nothing else, no other circumstance or happening caused this to happen. HE is the person who made the handgun fire.
Some people dont even read the article. How ignorant it is to comment. It says "In Texas, firearms are allowed in the workplace at the discretion of the employer, the sheriff said". To back this up you should read up on State law. Even a person without a concealed handgun license has certain rights in the State of Texas. Yes I know even if you disagree, you still have certain rights. Look it up "HB 823 Clarifies Right to Carry Handgun in Vehicle"and"http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/relatedlaws.htm." You gotta love TEXAS
Some things can trigger uncontrollable emotions and force people to take actions without thinking.So guns at work place should be banned.schools
How was the Co-op supposed to know that the employee had a weapon in his vehicle. Im sure that somewhere in their employee handbook it tells them they are prohibited from having firearms at work. To think that the co-op shuld be responsible for an employees actions that were surely prohibited in their handbook is crazy. Another example of trying to find someone with money to blame. What about holding the dummy responsible that pulled the trigger on a loaded weapon at work?
SS396...Gun control wasn't being used here. Gun control means being able to hit your target. Gun control means using both hands. Gun control means being responsible and KNOWING for a fact that the weapon is not loaded and then STILL treating it as if it is. What was missing here was owner control. A firearm is just like a car or any other machine. If you mistreat it, if you are careless with it, it WILL turn on you and bite. This owner was very lucky his lack of care didn't get his friend killed. It'd be interesting to know WHO will pay the hospital deductable in this case.
Sergeantjiggler...There is a sign on the door of the bank where I work that states concealed handguns are prohibited inside the building. I asked a bank officer the other day how the bank felt about carrying one in a holster on the hip in plain sight. She just gave me a look. :)
I wonder if the bank I work at will have a take your gun to work day?
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If he dont have a license to carry a weapon it should not have been there someone needs to held accountable.
ALWAYS treat a gun as if it is loaded and never point any weapon at anything you are not willing to detroy.
Weapons in the workplace are totally unacceptable.Aside from the individual responsibility of the man that pulled the trigger (the ONLY way that a properly functioning firearm CAN discharge), Jackson County Coop needs to be held responsible for allowing this to happen.
You know if your gun is loaded or not! TAKE THE CLIP/BULLETS OUT AFTER USE!
Bring Your Gun to Work Day?
Famous last words: "He thought it was unloaded."