What if a person has a documented genetic/metabolic disorder whereby lack of ornithine and other enzymes prevent the mitochondria and the related pathways to the fatcells being blocked and a specialist recognizes it and it is recognized by the federal government as a rare disease and considered a disability? Preventing such an applicant from being hired if they are best qualified seems like discrimination of a handicapped person. This hospital could then owe big fines and settlement to the applicant. Perhaps those who have disabilities but are able to work around them should apply and then a huge law suite be filed. This is a county hospital and is suppose to reflect its citizenry. Whomever invoked these policies needs a great big konk on head and a boot out the door.
Thank you for the answer.
In the article it says that the policy has been in place "a little more than a year." Here is an illustration showing what a person with a certain BMI might look like: http://fatshionelle.files.wordpress.c...
At least a couple of years.
I want to know how many years this policy have been in place?
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Brown almost got his picture in the London Daily Mail..........
Victoria made MSN.com tonight with this story. Isn't that something to be proud of?
One of the comments says it all, "I don't want anybody too skinny in my hospital either.....they look hungry and I think they might take my food. I also don't want any proactive Jews or Muslims....they don't eat pork and I like bacon and BBQ ribs and they won't serve those to me. I'm not sure on Catholics either....I like fish and they might not give it to me on Fridays during Lent. Don't want any Amish either...they don't have indoor plumbing and that doesn't sound sanitary. No foreigners or people with speech problems.....I don't know what they're saying and they might be talking bad about me. No tall people or short people....they'll probably get hurt on the job and file a workman's comp case and it'll raise my bill. Same goes for drinkers or people with high cholosterol or high blood pressure....plus they might have a heart attack right in my room! Definately no smokers....they smell nasty. And NO ugly people...they're just plain bad to look at and that bothers me! But no really GOOD-looking people...there's lots of shiny things in hospitals and they'd be admiring themselve all the time. I'm not sure about women...they can be real nice, but then they could get pregnant and quit working and leave the hospital without full staffing. Probably no gay guys either...I hear their always checking you out.. I think I want only white, male, straight, probably Protestent, non-Amish, American-born, clear English-speaking, US-trained, tee-totalling, non-smoking, healthy, normal height, good-looking (but not REAL good-looking) staff. Anybody know what hospital I should go to?"
How did he get the job? Somebody had to have hired him. That is terrible about your mom, that is completely ridiculous! I can't believe there hasn't been more lawsuits, it boggles the mind.
His boss is pretty much no one, which is the problem. We had a problem with the radiology department not having items for handicapped people to hang on to when getting on and off the table. This resulted in my mother taking a fall and injuring her leg. They took her to the ER and made her wait 4-5 hours before being seen (she is in bad overall health due to multiple back surgeries). His response to the whole situation was so what, it is not our problem. He is the most arrogant human being in the planet, but it is like nothing could be done about him. It is like he is the don of the Victoria mafia.
Bigmac, nobody has control over their vision, bad eyesight is inherited/genetics, I wouldn't judge an eye doctor because he wears glasses, dentist with bad teeth, yes. We had a Dietician who came to our facility who was obese/morbidly obese & I thought that was odd, ironically her previous job had been at a bariatrics clinic. That was a clear case of someone who needed to heal thyself.
Mr. Brown needs to go....I can't believe he would put the taxpayers & the County at such a risk for lawsuits. Who is his boss?
Some of the best nurses I have ever met in Victoria and around the US have been overweight. I am considered morbid obese but I can run and get a patient to an ambulance. (I use to work for an assisted living.) My job did not suffer because of my weight. No matter how a nurse looks on the outside, it is her medical knowledge and bed side treatment I am concerned with. On a side note, how does Mr Brown feel about the plastic surgeon in Victoria who is cross eyed? Does Mr. Brown think he can't do his job? I don't see many people walking around with crooked boobs so he must be good at his job. :)
I can understand their point of view. I wouldn't go to a dentist if he had bad teeth or an eye doctor who had thick glasses but then again if I'm having an heart attack I don't think I would be worried if the doctor or nurses were over weight..
How many more black eyes will this guy give our community before he is given the pink slip?
Dont forget about the lack of meeting ADA, especially in radiology.
What about all those nurses who are over weight and are eating Dairy Queen everyday. I've been there visiting family and those nurses are pretty hefty. So if image is everything then why are they still working. I believe fat or skinny if you can save lives then who cares.
I notice some references to a BMI of 30 and one to 34.5. The cutoff point for CMC is a BMI of 35. With little effort, one discovers that someone with a BMI of 35 is considered to be suffering from MORBID obesity. There is a reason it is characterized as morbid. I would not consider hiring someone with that amount of heft, as they are a walking time bomb.
Sounds like the Medical Reform Act that the supreme court is hearing.Government (county hospital ) mandating that you buy and eat healthy foods, kinda like mandates to buy health Ins.
They already refuse patients from other facilities if they are too obese; however, they are a Bariatric Center for Excellence, but that is for elective wieght reduction cases.
They say image is everything. While, it is idealistic to wish that a medical facility is viewed as the epitome of health, it is realistic to have the common sense to know that it is not possible. Human beings come in all types of shapes, sizes, colors and creeds. That's a fact. There's no denying that being overweight increases a person's risk for various maladies, but CMC's approach to their solution to the issue is misguided. I'd rather have an overweight, nurse with her head on straight, attending to me, than some skinny nurse with a hidden drug, alcohol or emotional problem. The human body houses a person's soul. The soul is what makes a person a person - regardless of the body's "mass". So, what's next Mr. David Brown? Do you plan to quit accepting overweight patients?
I need not apply: I didn't get the name BigMag for being skinny LOL
I'm just wondering: is this just when people are hired or can they fire employee after they have been there for a while. Some of the ones I seen down there are not that small as far as weight is concerned.
Just my 2 cents........So if CMC has this overweight policy does it also have an intelligence policy? or a handicap policy? a religious policy? how about a sexual preference policy???How many policies does CMC have on it's hiring requirements? And, is Brown's salary public record? I have heard that he make's a pretty good living......
I believe that a public funded hospital which is provided by taxation of the populace to develop and implement such a policy is incredulous. For the administrator of the hospital to implement such a callous policy is in many regards, in my opinion, inaprehensabile and dramatically obtuse. It is my understanding that a hospital is as a primary function an entity that provides help to people and ensures the health and well being of the community it serves.
According to the latest CDC data regarding obesity Texas as a whole has 30 percent of the adults in the state being obese or a BMI of above or equal to 30. Victoria as a county, (2008 Data Age Adjusted Median) is 28.5 percent obese. Obese being defined as greater than or equal to a 30 BMI. Data Source: http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/DDT_STRS2/Co...
By implementing such a policy the hospital has excluded 30 percent of the county workforce from consideration.
As far as the comment regarding abilty to function and BMI. An average college or NFL lineman will have a BMI of 34.2 but operates at a muscular and cardiovacular level much higher in efficiency than a typical adult. Would he be excluded and would he be able to lift patients and equipment.
Therefore the administrator of the hospital has decided to exclude and discriminate against people based on BMI. I feel that is ridiculous. Administer a physical agility test to new applicants like the Police and Fire departments conduct to see if their employees can do the job. The hospital won't get rid of current employees that are overweight because the administrators know that they would be sued for wrongful termination and lose the case. The Texas EEOC and federal courts have already moved forward suing employers for wrongful termination of employees due to weight. The EEOC has determined that abilty to do the job is the measurement standard and not any other factors.
Shame on you David Brown and Shame on the Victoria Count for allowing this to happen. David Brown needs to go, on that I agree.
This is also NOT a newly-instituted policy. It has been in effect for WAY over one year, closer to two or three, it is only just now coming to light. And if David Brown wants to promote a healthy lifestyle, why doesn't he begin with the meals served in the cafeteria? High in fat and calories, they sure don't help with keeping the low BMI.
CMC and Mr. Brown are not known for being "kind" to their employees. There is no EAP; good/exemplary employees are not valued, but are put out to pasture past a certain age, if you are not a manager, don't even THINK of saying good morning to Mr. Brown; he will look right at you and keep walking as if you do not exist in his universe. I have experienced that last first hand. There are some out-of-this world wonderful caregivers at CMC, for whom patient care is their passion in life. But the morale and atmosphere is so oppressive that many have left and gone to work elsewhere.
There are a great many, I don't know the word - different? shady? weird? policies and procedures and such that go on at CMC. This policy is just one of many that the public needs to know about. And I agree...David Brown needs to go.
Nope, JLordtree, that last sentence was not in the story when I read it last night. That's why I went to check the Texas Tribune story from earlier in the day. Perhaps it was an accidental omission, but it was not there originally.
Bkocian, while I'm against discrimination of any kind, I understand your point. But only in regard to health care professionals. What about back office personell? EdithAnn, they credited Texas Tribune with the story. Personally, I think this is a horrible policy. Next will be only blonde hair and blue eyes at citizens. David Brown needs to go!
This hospital also does the bariatric surgery for patients but at the same time refuses to accept patients that are too overweight. WOW, pick and choose your doctors, patients and your staff. So who is good enough to be there??? Desirable staff, patient and doctors come in all varieties including those with insurance that may be too overweight, staff that are too overweight but very smart and capable and doctors that may not meet " some administrative" look, but it looks like our community loses with that lack of judgement.
There are nursing shortages everywhere! And to see a state recognized hospital will not hire people because of their weight has me in awe. So instead of hiring more staff, they will continue to use and abuse the same staff with making them work more hours and have them come in on their days off. I know I would be upset if I received a call back saying I didn't get the job because I was overweight.
Something to think about: "Since BMI does not take into account a person's body fat percentage, it is possible to have an above average body weight and BMI, but not be obese. A bodybuilder, for example, can have a BMI above 30 because of a high percentage of muscle mass. If they also had a low percentage of body fat, they would not need to lose weight to be healthy."
This story looks amazingly like this story:
Umm, isn't being in the medical field and not being health conscious about one's weight being kind of hypocritical? Its not like the standard that they're going by is very strict either, there is still some leeway, meaning you don't have to be a weightroom junkie, but within HEALTHY terms of weight. I think that the reasons of 'personal appearance' is maybe not the best of reasons, but it would be a good standard to set in a hospital. I mean, we should really put this standard in at the PD and FD too, it would probably help efficiency in all those fields, especially in life and death situations.