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Oh really? what did i say then?
jordankj.... Excuse me, but you just did in the previous comment.
Then you need to learn to adapt. I don't put down people beliefs in Christianity and god.
@jordankj - u miss the point. Let me try to address your 'opinion' in pieces.
"All marriage is is a legal binding document saying that two people are together."
Nope. When I chose to get married it was a joyful ceremony where my wife and I made a solemn promise to each other in front of God and several hundred witnesses. We made a committment to love, honor, trust, obey, etc. We chose to create a NEW family (our own) and break the bonds with our parents. It was a once in a lifetime event for me, not just a legality. ...and oh yeah, the government gave us a piece of paper too. "Marriage" is much more important than what you described.
"You people need to stop being such bible loving southern redneck republicans and realize that this isnt the 1950's anymore."
Bible-loving: yep. and no apologies.Southern redneck: um, no. I AM from Texas, but I don't wear a hat, dip, chug beer, and wrangle cattle. I own my own business, have 2 college degrees and rarely shout 'yee-haw'. not even close.Republican: Hmmm. Actually consider myself 'independent' - usually vote for the most qualified candidate based on his/her positions, experience, stated values. Probably more Rep than Dem tho (TBH)1950: I wasn't alive in the 50's, so not really sure what you are implying. I do have a firm grasp on reality - and choose to disagree with some of the stuff that passes for 'progress' at times.
"And most people that are homophobic are actually closet homosexuals themselves."
Two problems with this statement:  Good luck finding ANY evidence to support it - its just a frustrated opinion, and  the term 'homophobic' implies FEAR and is a popular slur thrown around by pro-homsexual groups. Nothing about homosexuality scares me. It offends me. It fits in the broad category of sexual sin (adultery, incest, abuse, etc.). Please don't ever assume that because I refuse to acknowledge it as 'normal' behavior that I am afraid of it. It disappoints me - much the way I would feel about a friend that cheated on their spouse, or raped a stranger.
Bottom line: Because we have belief systems grounded in different worlds, we are going to disagree on some things. We need to expend some energy finding common ground and learning to 'play nice'. But extending the definition of marriage to include same sex partners - no common ground there. I understand that not everyone is a Christian - but why do I have to abandon MY BELIEFS to accomodate yours? Fair goes both ways.
But not everyone is christian or even believes in god. So since you are that means that everyone should follow your rules? Also again what harm is done to you that a man and a man want to get married? It does not effect you at all one bit.
Folks want smaller government then write laws telling you who you can and can't marry.
jorddank... "You may say its for religious reasons, but" For a lot of americans, that is the reason we are against same sex marriage. Marriage in the eyes of the Lord is between one man and one woman. Adultry, fornication, or other acts that the Lord has commanded us to resist. That is what Christians base their decisions on. I am sure there are those that fall into the "homophobic" category, but Christians should love gays as God does. That does not mean we cannot, or should not, admonish the sin of homosexuality as we would if someone openly steals, lies, kills, hates, cheats, judges, gossips, sexually abuses others, covets, etc.... It's just a difference in moral compasses among our society.
Why are you people so against it? Does it harm you in any way that a man and a man or woman and woman want to get married? You may say its for religious reasons,but news flash not everyone is religious including myself. So if its not that then what is it? I myself am not gay but i am comfortable with gay people and i have a few gay friends. Letting them no get married isn't going to stop them from being gay so just go ahead and let them get married. All marriage is a legal binding document saying that two people are together. You people need to stop being such bible loving southern redneck republicans and realize that this isnt the 1950's anymore. And most people that are homophobic are actually closet homosexuals themselves.
Just another reason that Obama needs to be voted out of office. He managed to find yet another way to run this country into the ground and away from the very foundation our nation was based upon.
I personally think it stinks but it certainly doesn't surprise me. Sometimes it is hard to fathom what has become either law or acceptable in the U.S. over the past few decades. Legalized abortion, openly gays in the armed services, openly gay clergy in several major Christian denominations, hetero couples living together without being married, having children out of wedlock, gays flaunting their lifestyle, the GLBT and most of the entertainment world relentlessly pushing their agenda down our throat, and as of yesterday a New York circuit court saying watching kiddie porn on the web is not against the law. If God punished his people, the Jews, which He did, we have really got a lot of spankings coming. Oh, sorry. Can I still refer to our Creator and His word on this forum?
Laura Bush is on the record as supporting marriage equality.
Where does Laura Bush stand on this issue? She is a well respected republican First Lady.
BSSpotter..."What gets lost in this discussion is why ANYONE EVER has to ask for permission from the government to get married. Is it a right if you have to get gov't approval? They love that this issue is only debated within the confines they've established. They won't have to tug on your leash nearly as hard this way."
That is easily one of the wisest paragraphs I have ever read. Well thought out and well written. I might steal it once in a while. I probably won't give you the credit due.
I agree with BO that gay people should be able to legally marry. But, just because I have now agreed with him twice in something over three years doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him. He came out with support for gay marriage rights because he's looking for votes, nothing else.
edithannMattew 19 vs 1Have you not read the scriptures,Jesus replied. They record from the beginning "God made them male and female".
Okay, i'll bite. You wanted to thump me anyway. Regardless of the numbers issues with the Dems vs Repubs. Either way they are sinning. As we all are, me being the first to admit. Your statement " But, knowing all that you imply, perhaps you could tell me why there seems to be a disproportionate number of homosexual tawdry sex scandals on the republican side of the divide". Sigh......the Pharisees comes to mind. Here you go again, a one upmanship. I do not imply i simply refered to the word of God. You quoted Biblical versus earlier, don't you know why? Have you not read the Book of Mark chapter 13? Galations 5, Ephesians 5, Romans 1 vs 18-32, Romans 8 vs 5-8? What about the Book of Revelations? They the Homosexals know about the word of God, as does Satan but their minds are clouded by Satan and thus are consumed by their lust for each other We need to pray for them, love them, and preach the good news and salvation and for this country and our leaders who say "our constituents want". They mean i need votes. anyway, remember what Jesus said to his Disciples if they reject you, wipe your feet clean and move on. You also said you pointed out the rights hypocrisy, good now stand up and fight the good fight.
I didn't vote for The President but I have grow to like him and his family but I think this will cost him his job in November
raven8, you couldn't be more wrong! I did not attack Christianity, I pointed out the right's hypocrisy on the issue. There was not a huge outcry when Cheney and others on the right endorsed marriage equality. There wasn't. If you want to personalize that to yourself, go ahead.
But, knowing all that you imply, perhaps you could tell me why there seems to be a disproportionate number of homosexual tawdry sex scandals on the republican side of the divide. Don't get me wrong--Democrats have their share of tacky affairs, just seems it's most often heterosexual liaisons.
What gets lost in this discussion is why ANYONE EVER has to ask for permission from the government to get married. Is it a right if you have to get gov't approval? They love that this issue is only debated within the confines they've established. They won't have to tug on your leash nearly as hard this way.
It's no secret that Obama lost some cred with the anti-war, pro-drug-legalization Left, so what better way to kiss and make up. I don't think he gives two squirts about anyone's rights, which is the norm in DC. And Romney will do his little dance to pander to the other pasture, but we'll get sheered either way.
Nothing divides-n-conquers better than a good ol' social issue.
For the record, I've been happily married 11.5 years, and what we have will in no way be threatened by a same-sex marriage. My marriage is a personal contract that has no bearing on another relationship. Our relationship was strong enough that the actual ceremony, while it was a special moment, was a mere formality. Marriage doesn't enhance a relationship — it just renames it.
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
I had a minister tell me one time that there was nothing ever said about women lying down with women. That seems to be very popular on some internet sites
Its not for me, but why should everyone do what I like? It does not hurt me or anyone for that matter, so why should anyone care? The fact that our president thinks that nobody will notice his change of mind since it is election time is what should be bothering people not each person wants to do in his/her life.
edithannYou've said nothing. All you did was attack DODZNZ and the Christian Faith. You made fun of the "religious right" by saying we did not a word about the President lesbian daughter. How do you know what i did or say? Back at you Romans 14, vs 10; So why do you condemn another Christian? Why do you look down on another Christian? Remember, each of you will stand personally before the judgement seat of God. For the Scriptures say,"As surely as i live says the Lord, every knee will bow to and every tongue will confess alegiance to God"
1 Peter 4 vs 3You have had enough in the past of the evil things that godless people enjoy- their immorality, and lust, their feasting and drunkeness and wild parties and their terrible worship of idols.
Like DODZNZ said, wake up people.
Oh and i too have a lesbian sister whom i love but I WILL NOT accept her choice. But she knows where we stand.
Obama: Well guys, do we coin toss this one or what?Advisors: Mr President, we believe the most votes will come your way if you tell everyone you like gay marriage.Obama: Well, I guess thats what I have to do thenAdvisors: It will sound better if you work your daughters into the speech. Obama: WTF?Advisors: Yes, people will think you are more sincere and not just trying to acquire votesObama: Oh, yeah... Good idea! Politics before family, EVERY TIME!Advisors: You got that rightObama: What if the people still think I am just doing this for votes?Advisors: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, since when did we start caring what they think. Ha Ha Ha Ha!
You are welcome to insert the name of any previous or future president into that slot and change the subject matter to suit the topic.
According to all the news this morning President Obama announced support for gay marriage does not do a thing to change the laws banning it in some 29 states that already have statutes or constitutional amendments outlawing same-sex marriage Other states have referendums coming up concerning such laws
Oh, raven8, if you want to thump me on the head with your Bible, I'll just thump you back with mine.
Matthew 25:31-46 (NIV)
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. ”
The Bible has not changed, People are brain washed in our schools, God's word does not change. Same sex marrage is a sin, some day they'll pay the price.
Even if the gays get their "rights" it still does not make it right. I honestly think the gays really do not want rights so to speak. They want acceptance. However, they will NEVER get it. No law can force someone to accept them or the disgusting lifestyle they live. They are meant to wander the earth continuously seeking approval only to be denied at every corner.
We are in the 21st century and there are some still lost somewhere in the 1950's. The President was right on target. There may be many in our area that will have to double up on Valium and Tums but it is time to accept others beliefs with respect. Even Dick Chaney and G.W.Bush accepted reality.
Edithann- likewise, you spew your trash too, which is detrimental (antonym) to the Devil, Satan, Lucficer known by many names who comes to detroy, steal, kill. Mormon, unfortunately, your right on that only because he has money. Others are simply blinded by the facts and do not want to or are not expose to the word of GOD. They simply want to live their lives as they see fit. Ro bad they will regret it as there is no second chance when you die. Read about Lazardus and the rich man, Those supposely who called themselves Christian, your a LIAR. This is against God written laws. Homosexuals (male and female) will not inhierit the kingdom. Your just helping them get to where they are going and you too for not standing up. DOBZNZ - your on the mark, people need to wake up cause it's coming. And the Constitution of the United States specifically states that it was written in favor of our CREATOR.
That eathquake that the East Coast will experience when Romney addresses the graduates of Liberty University will be Jerry Falwell rolling over in his grave that a non-Christian was allowed anywhere near the campus!
I find it very interesting that the 'religious right' (although they have mostly dropped that moniker) has a Mormon as their candidate. For me, that sort of invalidates any other claim thay have made as far as being the only ones who are moral, right, perfect, whatever!
And the comment from DOBZNZ is just further evidence that the lack of inpatient mental health services is a detriment to the community.
Shocked! Lol... Five months from the presidential election and the president made a political gamble. Some would call it political malpractice if he would not have done it.
Guess what, 30 states still have amendments prohibiting gay marriage. That won't change because of what he said.
Not sure of the timing or the events leading to President Obama's historic statement. Vice President Biden taped the "Meet the Press" moment where he said he was for gay marriage on a Friday before it was aired this past Sunday. The next day Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, said on MSNBC that he supported gay marriage, so that may have laid the ground work for the president’s interview with ABC... The president made up his mind several months ago, as he said in the interview because the Democrats want to add a marriage equality amendment to their platform before their convention in Charlotte, North Carolina on September 3 of this year. They couldn't add that amendment if the leader of the party was against it or still evolving.
Just to ease the shock of a president speaking to a constituency during an election year, President Obama will speak at the prominent women's college, Barnard..Shocking!!
Guess what? Mitt Romney will make the commencement address at Liberty University, a Christian right college that doesn't recognize a College Democrat club and inculcates students in ultraconservative, anti-gay and anti-evolution courses...That's OK, because it's not a political speech...Right!!
Republicans, you now have a nominee, own up to him and embrace him...Mitt Romney is the republican nominee for president of the United States.
Pure pandering. The antichrist will do any and everything to get a second term and fulfill his destiny. People had better wake up and soon.
I agree that if this is the topic that will make you vote for one candidate over another, then you don't need to be voting. I am tired of hearing the argument that if same-sex marriages are made legal, then that is ruining religion. How? "Marriage" is already a civil institution. You can't just go to a church and have a preacher/rabbi/priest marry you. You have to get what - a marriage license; from the courthouse (at least in Texas). That makes it a legal/civil issue, not a religious one. The only thing that makes it religious is adding the religion into it. How many people get married by a JP on any given day of the week? Does that make them any less married than someone who gets married in a church? Notwithstanding arguments by devout Catholics, I contend it does NOT. My husband and I are just as married, if not more so, after 25 years of a JP wedding as any person married in a church. First marriage for each of us.
Everyone on this earth deserves to be happy with a life partner. I totally am into the monogamy picture - no bed-hopping or sleeping around, but that goes for whatever orientation you happen to be. There are so many more serious issues for us to be concerned with...our domestic economy, our foreign policy, the price of oil just to name a few. Why is it really anyone's business who is sleeping with whom? Common-law couples get to benefit from insurance and other benefits, and there should be nothing different for same-sex couples.
Heard on the radio this morning: "If the same sex marriage issue is in the top ten of the reason you vote for a candidate, you probably shouldn't be voting."
I think I agree with this. There are too many more important issues in the coming election more important than same-sex marriage.
I just remember how ultra-quiet many opponents of gay rights were when Dick Cheney was in the White House. I don't recall the local right being critical of him at all for supporting his daughter and her lifestyle. Not a peep!
Funny how a few years changes things.
Oh Local conservatives don't think my bashing of the President and liberals is my crossing over to conservatism or the GOP!!!
It seems this is based on politics. Sorry I can no longer say I am firmly behind this President. Local liberals and libertarians can take it or leave it. How long can we in this society make a wrong into a right and a right into a wrong without thinking of the result? Feminism gave us unchecked abortion and the disposiable male complex, which helped created fatherless homes. A hand-out state gave us fatherless homes, more crime, and the dumbing down of the culture. But hey what do I know? I'm just some dumb, well read, illerate angry black hick.
How many will turn into pillars of salt this time? Anyone taking bets?
Evidently the po-TUS believed what he heard said on a California street corner. Two Big "fellows", holding hands, witnessed a couple having an argument. One turned to his "partner" and said, "See thayre George, I told you them mixed marriages don't work."
Let them have marriage, they will find out just like heterosexuals that it can either help you grow as a person or like most people find out it will drain the life and financial blood out of you. Because everybody I know talks all praises about their former spouse.
On the HA-HA moment:Robin Tyler and Diane Olson were the poster gay couple for CA, they were a couple for 18 years, fought tooth and nail for marriage. June 2008 they were married and Jan 2012 they were divorced. They want to go through marriages have it, the court, legal firms and child support office will more than gladly take your money when they divorce.
According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:The divorce rate for first marriage is 41%The divorce rate for second marriage is 60%The divorce rate for third marriage is 73%
I agree with Obama on this issue, but that doesn't mean I will vote for him in November.
So, Obama finally came out of the closet on the issue. Color me surprised.