3rdParty, I'm open to overturning the tax break for the elderly on their homes to raise money. No way does that tax break involve my family. Actually, I don't really believe that but it's the same logic you are using.
I consider all those organizations essential to the growth of Victoria. I hardly consider any of these organizations narrowly focused as everyone can enjoy them.
While times may be tough, we still have to look towards the future and always keep that in mind. Victoria is still way behind on funding organizations like these compared to cities the same size. I will do the research for you and get back.
You can't take one little section and cut it out without looking at the big picture. I'm sorry that you aren't enjoying these lovely organizations.
I can almost guarantee if Victoria didn't have some of these organizations, I would be seeking employment in another city that did offer them. And we earn a very nice living, pay plenty of taxes and spend freely.
3rdParty, I still disagree with you. These are small things that makes Victoria a nice place to live. You'd like to cut the ZOO? How selfish is that?
Get rid of the Children's Discovery Museum? That is a such a fun place full of laughter. The Performing Arts are such gracious people and love entertaining children. Although I am at a loss as to what the Culture Council does exactly.
All of these things are building towards the future. These are things that every nice city has and are usually somewhat supported with city taxes.
Cities need a rebirth of new generations otherwise they become stale and mini retirement homes. Hospitals leave, businesses go under, Cinemark leaves.. and you're left with dust because the City didn't think ahead.
There is no other way to get rebirth than to offer enticing things for the next generations to enjoy. And in order to do that, sometimes tax money needs to fund these organizations.
Maybe your boy David Hagan can come up with some clever ideas - he's got about 2 more weeks to actually do something productive.
I had to go work and missed these. Wow! I'm shocked at how most of you hold others' feet to the fire but are okay with just a little bit of gambling.
It's the LAW. If you don't like the law, some of you need to lobby to change it. Texas voted NO to the gambling.
And John, after you find the hottest woman in Victoria, maybe you can get right on that bringing gambling to Victoria issue. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Then we can credit you with bringing big business to Victoria.
Zorro, thank you for that run down memory lane. Gambling might have been legal at one time but it is NOT legal now. Hanging men in the town square was legal too but I'm not so keen on bringing that law back any time soon.
You would all scream to high heavens if someone committed a little crime against you. Perhaps they just stole your yard gnome or took your door mat - those aren't crimes against anyone, are they now?
3rdParty, respectfully, you cannot have growth of residents without some sort of entertainment. And in the past, Victoria has been sorely lacking in the entertainment department. I'm personally glad to see these funds allocated where they were.
If a city doesn't have residential growth, why would businesses want to be here? There would be no draw. Victoria has huge potential to become something great to our future generation.
Again, respectfully, I have to disagree with you on Mr. Hagan. I have been watching the same CC meetings (often in person) and I have NEVER seen Mr. Hagan bring one solution forth. And Hagan has had ample opportunity to do so.
So Zorro, if "no one" was injured, is it not a crime then? What goofy logic you seem to live by. Let me come by your house and steal your things - no one will have been injured and I'll have some new stuff.
If the Police Department lived by your rule, only murders or assaults would ever be investigated. Do you think that anything less than murder is not worthy of an investigation?
And I'm pretty sure the Police Department does work on other things - like gang violence, rape, theft, car accidents... just to name a few. How silly to make such a statement.
If you're up to it, maybe you could rally on a higher level to get gambling brought back. Victoria, Texas didn't just make up that rule for the residents of Victoria.
While you're up there rallying for legalized gambling, why don't you just throw in moonshining or prostitution. Let's have some real fun - like in the old western days... Some days you just crack me up!!
Homesick, I'm rather taken back by your post. I am a Christian and I'm very offended by Mr. Hagan (and your post.) Remember that Satan himself believes in God.
You are incorrect about where the funding for Mr. Martinez came from (how I wish people would go get the files for themselves before making assumptions). While some posters may have a strong view on the subject, I think some very good questions have been raised.
My point all along has been that yes, Mr. Hagan does object to many many many things - very seldom does he bring forth a solution.
Any fool can constantly object to things and throw little baby hissy fits. It takes a real leader to look at the problem, find a solution and present it in an adult manner. None of which Mr. Hagan has ever done.
I'm rather concerned about the money discrepancies in Mr. Hagan's Financial Report of his Campaign Funds. That alone shows a level of dishonesty and irresponsibility.
I myself watched Mr. Hagan tell one story under oath and then tell another story in the taped interview here. I still can't believe Mr. Hagan hasn't been cited for Contempt of Court or been charged with theft. Why is he receiving special treatment?
AltonEaston, thank you for sharing your experience! I didn't think of that and now it brings up more questions. Mr. Hagan paid quite a bit of money to his out-of-town Campaign Manager but what exactly did he purchase?
Since Mr. Hagan believes in transparency, I wonder if he would give the public an itemized statement of his Campaign Manager's expenditures?
Actually, Legion, my answer would be NO. I didn't like Mr. Hagan the very first time that I met him. And the more I went to the CC meetings, the less faith I had in him. I've made no bones about my dislike of Mr. Hagan.
And my decision is based on his track record - or lack of track record - on dealing with issues he disagrees with. He could have been a really positive force on the CC but he chose to throw little baby fits and posture for the cameras (and reporters).
OH SmarteePantz, the reason Hagan hasn't accomplished anything at the City Council meetings is because he doesn't bring any solutions. Hagan never brings a solution - he only gripes and throws his hands in the air.
Show me ONE solution he has taken to the other board members. If I just told my bosses "no" on every issue, we'd never get anything done. A mature responsible person would offer an alternative solution to something he disagrees with - something that would make things better.
So let me get this right. Mr. Hagan spent money he didn't have? Really? I thought he just didn't report money he received. Now I'm going to check into what can and cannot be done with campaign funds because I believe in educating myself on the issues.
Something else just occurred to me. Mr. Hagan is constantly speaking out against the City of Victoria hiring attorney representation from out of Victoria, yet he hired a Campaign Manager from out of town. Isn't that just a little bit hypocritical?
I'm less concerned about where the campaign signs are planted or who donated how much to the campaign. I am more concerned about the Financial Reports not adding up. Funny money always raises questions with me.
When one puts themselves above others on a pedestal, they'd better be prepared to have everyone looking up their skirt.
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3rdParty, I'm open to overturning the tax break for the elderly on their homes to raise money. No way does that tax break involve my family. Actually, I don't really believe that but it's the same logic you are using.
I consider all those organizations essential to the growth of Victoria. I hardly consider any of these organizations narrowly focused as everyone can enjoy them.
While times may be tough, we still have to look towards the future and always keep that in mind. Victoria is still way behind on funding organizations like these compared to cities the same size. I will do the research for you and get back.
You can't take one little section and cut it out without looking at the big picture. I'm sorry that you aren't enjoying these lovely organizations.
I can almost guarantee if Victoria didn't have some of these organizations, I would be seeking employment in another city that did offer them. And we earn a very nice living, pay plenty of taxes and spend freely.
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3rdParty, I still disagree with you. These are small things that makes Victoria a nice place to live. You'd like to cut the ZOO? How selfish is that?
Get rid of the Children's Discovery Museum? That is a such a fun place full of laughter. The Performing Arts are such gracious people and love entertaining children. Although I am at a loss as to what the Culture Council does exactly.
All of these things are building towards the future. These are things that every nice city has and are usually somewhat supported with city taxes.
Cities need a rebirth of new generations otherwise they become stale and mini retirement homes. Hospitals leave, businesses go under, Cinemark leaves.. and you're left with dust because the City didn't think ahead.
There is no other way to get rebirth than to offer enticing things for the next generations to enjoy. And in order to do that, sometimes tax money needs to fund these organizations.
Maybe your boy David Hagan can come up with some clever ideas - he's got about 2 more weeks to actually do something productive.
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I had to go work and missed these. Wow! I'm shocked at how most of you hold others' feet to the fire but are okay with just a little bit of gambling.
It's the LAW. If you don't like the law, some of you need to lobby to change it. Texas voted NO to the gambling.
And John, after you find the hottest woman in Victoria, maybe you can get right on that bringing gambling to Victoria issue. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Then we can credit you with bringing big business to Victoria.
Zorro, thank you for that run down memory lane. Gambling might have been legal at one time but it is NOT legal now. Hanging men in the town square was legal too but I'm not so keen on bringing that law back any time soon.
You would all scream to high heavens if someone committed a little crime against you. Perhaps they just stole your yard gnome or took your door mat - those aren't crimes against anyone, are they now?
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3rdParty, respectfully, you cannot have growth of residents without some sort of entertainment. And in the past, Victoria has been sorely lacking in the entertainment department. I'm personally glad to see these funds allocated where they were.
If a city doesn't have residential growth, why would businesses want to be here? There would be no draw. Victoria has huge potential to become something great to our future generation.
Again, respectfully, I have to disagree with you on Mr. Hagan. I have been watching the same CC meetings (often in person) and I have NEVER seen Mr. Hagan bring one solution forth. And Hagan has had ample opportunity to do so.
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So Zorro, if "no one" was injured, is it not a crime then? What goofy logic you seem to live by. Let me come by your house and steal your things - no one will have been injured and I'll have some new stuff.
If the Police Department lived by your rule, only murders or assaults would ever be investigated. Do you think that anything less than murder is not worthy of an investigation?
And I'm pretty sure the Police Department does work on other things - like gang violence, rape, theft, car accidents... just to name a few. How silly to make such a statement.
If you're up to it, maybe you could rally on a higher level to get gambling brought back. Victoria, Texas didn't just make up that rule for the residents of Victoria.
While you're up there rallying for legalized gambling, why don't you just throw in moonshining or prostitution. Let's have some real fun - like in the old western days... Some days you just crack me up!!
Flag this comment
Homesick, I'm rather taken back by your post. I am a Christian and I'm very offended by Mr. Hagan (and your post.) Remember that Satan himself believes in God.
You are incorrect about where the funding for Mr. Martinez came from (how I wish people would go get the files for themselves before making assumptions). While some posters may have a strong view on the subject, I think some very good questions have been raised.
My point all along has been that yes, Mr. Hagan does object to many many many things - very seldom does he bring forth a solution.
Any fool can constantly object to things and throw little baby hissy fits. It takes a real leader to look at the problem, find a solution and present it in an adult manner. None of which Mr. Hagan has ever done.
I'm rather concerned about the money discrepancies in Mr. Hagan's Financial Report of his Campaign Funds. That alone shows a level of dishonesty and irresponsibility.
I myself watched Mr. Hagan tell one story under oath and then tell another story in the taped interview here. I still can't believe Mr. Hagan hasn't been cited for Contempt of Court or been charged with theft. Why is he receiving special treatment?
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AltonEaston, thank you for sharing your experience! I didn't think of that and now it brings up more questions. Mr. Hagan paid quite a bit of money to his out-of-town Campaign Manager but what exactly did he purchase?
Since Mr. Hagan believes in transparency, I wonder if he would give the public an itemized statement of his Campaign Manager's expenditures?
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Actually, Legion, my answer would be NO. I didn't like Mr. Hagan the very first time that I met him. And the more I went to the CC meetings, the less faith I had in him. I've made no bones about my dislike of Mr. Hagan.
And my decision is based on his track record - or lack of track record - on dealing with issues he disagrees with. He could have been a really positive force on the CC but he chose to throw little baby fits and posture for the cameras (and reporters).
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OH SmarteePantz, the reason Hagan hasn't accomplished anything at the City Council meetings is because he doesn't bring any solutions. Hagan never brings a solution - he only gripes and throws his hands in the air.
Show me ONE solution he has taken to the other board members. If I just told my bosses "no" on every issue, we'd never get anything done. A mature responsible person would offer an alternative solution to something he disagrees with - something that would make things better.
So let me get this right. Mr. Hagan spent money he didn't have? Really? I thought he just didn't report money he received. Now I'm going to check into what can and cannot be done with campaign funds because I believe in educating myself on the issues.
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Something else just occurred to me. Mr. Hagan is constantly speaking out against the City of Victoria hiring attorney representation from out of Victoria, yet he hired a Campaign Manager from out of town. Isn't that just a little bit hypocritical?
I'm less concerned about where the campaign signs are planted or who donated how much to the campaign. I am more concerned about the Financial Reports not adding up. Funny money always raises questions with me.
When one puts themselves above others on a pedestal, they'd better be prepared to have everyone looking up their skirt.
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