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A prudent man who actually has less knowledge than he thinks would be well advised to keep it to himself lest he become known for the fool that he is.
Many on here are obviously not following that advice.
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Does anyone doubt that Martin used such "language"? I hear worse language than that from the so called comedians on the cable channels. If I attributed words like that to Wanda Sykes for instance would anyone defend her. Or the old lady Moms Mabley. That is the way they make their living and the younger kids think it is cool to talk in continuous obscenities. The rap so called music that is played is full of obscenities. Every once in a while a live mike will pick up choice obscienties from the NBA players.
Noted and Liberal very liberal Harvard Law Prof Alan Dershowitz had this to say about the Zimmerman charge. Dershowitz was advisor to the OJ “Dream Team”This affidavit,” he said, “submitted by the prosecutor in the Florida case is a crime. It’s a crime. If she in fact knew about ABC News’ pictures of the bloody head of Zimmerman and failed to include that in the affidavit, this affidavit is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”He also took the prosecution to task for having used the passive voice — “a struggle ensued” — to describe the altercation that allegedly took place between Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin leading up to Trayvon’s death without adding pertinent evidence and details, such as whether Martin had been on top of Zimmerman, thus able to bash his head against the pavement as Zimmerman has claimed.The prosecution’s goal, Dershowitz explained, is to present all the details and evidence of the case in order to pursue justice, not merely to seek justice solely for one side of the case. And “you don’t indict based on false information,” he told Kelly.He reiterated that the case should focus on seeking justice, not necessarily on seeking “justice for Trayvon,” as the prosecutor has said. “Any reasonable judge,” he added, “would throw out second degree murder.”So why might the prosecutor have “raised the stakes” to his level? Dershowitz has a theory: when you elect prosecutors. She is a politically-elected person who was appointed to get Zimmerman. She was appointed to prevent riots. She wasn’t appointed to do justice; she was appointed to calm the situation down. That’s the problem We’re the only country in the western world that elects prosecutors. Prosecutors run for re-election based on how many people they put in jail. That doesn’t produce justice.
ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ is a Brooklyn native who has been called “the nation’s most peripatetic civil liberties lawyer” and one of its “most distinguished defenders of individual rights,” “the best-known criminal lawyer in the world,” “the top lawyer of last resort,” and “America’s most public Jewish defender.” He is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. Dershowitz, a graduate of Brooklyn College and Yale Law School, joined the Harvard Law School faculty at age 25 after clerking for Judge David Bazelon and Justice Arthur Goldberg.While he is known for defending clients such as Anatoly Sharansky, C
I am the one vet keeps referring to that he claims put insulting words into Martin's mouth. I put the words in Zimmerman's mouth describing what he could say about the encounter. I saw one I "I heard that" Zimmerman did say those exact words in describing why he feared Martin was going to attempt to kill him. .
This posting had big time mixed messages in it.
"One thing about one- sided hypotheticals, they always favor the poster who presents them....When that doesn't work they obfuscate".( As forcefully shown by the message in the posting that quote was from)
Those pushing for vigilante justice or " let the ends justify the means" will continue looking for smoke screens to support their case
I really noticed this on both sides. Even if it comes from a post that lists numerous reasons( none of them hard evidence) why the poster thought Zimmerman was guilty as sin. Really just some more opinion and you know what they say about opinions they are like armpits Everyone has them and most of them smell
Fact (according to some posters on here) Zimmerman is guilty of murder. Trial? We don need no stinkin trial
If anyone has not read the Affidavit of Probable Cause,
Is this available on the internet?
vet posted this earlier
Mr. Zimmerman, a armed 28 year old male is alive.
Mr. Martin, a unarmed 17 year old male is dead of a gunshot wound.
All the other pieces of information discussed here are nothing more than good old "I heard......" and can be put in the rumor file.
vet also asked about the kind of world we wish our children to grow up in? No matter what we wish they will have to grow up in the real world which can be a very mean world. Read the online Houston Chronicle almost daily there are reports of home owners shooting intruders. Joggers in parks being assaulted. Mob violence in US cities being fought by police. Bounties being posted by one group against members of other groups. ( Illegally of course but who seems to care?) The Zimmernan Martin case bringing out postings of "Good riddance" from one group and "Vicious execution from the other side" This is the real world that we all must live in.
the world that some on here constantly wish for is gone and and in reality probably never was.
vet asks The 17 year old male was shot to death and only the armed male is left to tell the story of what happened. What would we expect him to say? "The 17 year old ran into my bullet and killed himself"?
All Zimmerman has to say is Martin approached him. Cursed him and told him he was going to get his knife and cut Zimmerman. ZimmermanFELT sufficiently threatened to used lethal force. Which the Florida law and the Texas law allows him to do. As vet writes the rest All the other pieces of information discussed here are nothing more than good old "I heard......" and can be put in the rumor file.
If this is correct Zimmerman walks , because there is no one to dispute .his testimony. Dead men tell no tales to dispute his testimony that Martin threatened him . Remember that Florida and Texas law CLEARLY give anyone who feel threatened the right to use lethal force.
FROM Texas law"A person is justified in using deadly force against another if he would be justified in using force under Section 9.31 of the statute when and to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated. The use of deadly force is also justified to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, rape or robbery."
Reasonable Belief is all that is required "It is not necessary that there should be actual danger, as a person has the right to defend his life and person from apparent danger as fully and to the same extent as he would have were the danger real, as it reasonably appeared to him from his standpoint at the time.""In fact, Sec 9.31(a) [of the Penal Code] expressly provides that a person is justified in using deadly force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary."
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