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    Cattleman..."One visit to China will open a persons eyes to how free we are!"

    Been there done that and you are absolutely correct.
    Same goes for almost every single other country out there, to include our closest allies.

    The same applies to countries such as Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and every other European country you can name.

    The same goes for Japan, The Philippines, South Korea, and every other country in Asia you can name.

    Same for every other country in Africa, South America, North America (Yes.. we are more free than even Liberal Canada)

    America, even with everyone whining and complaining about how bad things are here with control and oversight... America is still the most free country in the world. With all the good (and the bad) that comes with it.

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    OH and concerning the whole reason the guy was at the courts

    Advocate: He was there for a criminal charge which was dropped
    The guys wife: He was there for child support.

    Far be it from me to claim the Advoacet never makes mistakes. They do left and right. But I just wanted to point out that barring further details, the two claims are NOT mutually exclusive.

    Going to court for FAILURE TO PAY child support is a criminal offense as well as can be considered going to court for child support.

    I am in no way claiming he was a deadbeat dad or failed to pay. I am claiming that lacking further details, that the two claims (Advocate's and the wife's) are not mutually exclusive as being a deadbeat is a possibility until further evidence comes forth.

    In fairness I personally think it is an advocate mistake. The fact the wife is arguing in favor of the husband shows the greater likelihood is that they were there just for some status change or alteration in child support rather than him being a deadbeat.

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    ZaPaTeRoChUpA,

    perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I was not making a claim that it is impossible that there are no circumstances in which a wand device can CAUSE a pacemaker to fail. I said there were no cases in which it has been proven that someones pacemaker failed while getting wanded and/or passing through a detector. Naturally, holding the wand in place and directly against the location and keeping it there may cause it to fail. Simply passing the device over the location as in a normal procedure does not.

    Again, by what we know of the situation, Yes the deputies probably failed to follow procedure concerning screening a person with a medical condition. But in order for them to be liable for any damages, it has to be shown that the failure CAUSED those damages. and that to date has not been done in any case.

    Far from the open and shut case the Vorpahl's lawyer claims.
    Of course he want's to claim it as open and shut. He either wants the VSCO to cave in and settle (HUGE $$$$$$$$$$), or he is already arguing his case to the potential jury pool . Again with the HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    Wayward,
    Yes, and we had such procedures back then as well. It is precautionary as not ever version/model of pacemaker has been tested against every possible version/model of detector. There are claims that detectors have caused pacemakers to malfunction. Just as this case claims it as well. And so we have those procedures.

    What I stated is that there is not one case that has been PROVEN to be caused by the detectors. And that is true. Evidence is circumstantial and the claims are anecdotal.

    Now was there some failure of procedure in these deputies not patting him down and wanding him regardless of his medical condition? Sure. If all the claims are true.
    I am not arguing that.
    But they have to prove that the wanding CAUSED the malfunction. Because the deputies not following procedure only results in his injuries IF the procedure they did use (the wand) caused the damage.

    THAT is the point I was making

    Vet43,
    Absolutely amazing isn't it?
    Absolutely amazing that someone who has claimed neither role gets accused of making such a claim. Amazing how people such as yourself love to take little snipe shots at others when you have a different view.

    I am not with VCSO
    I am not an Attorney
    I am not a Doctor

    And while I may not have a Phd, I am a trained Electronic Warfare Technician. Imagine what 1 gigawatt of radiated microwave energy would do to a pacemaker?

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