I have done some research and spoken to UHV "insiders", and just as I have suspected, according to people very close to UHV this story is nothing more than a sugar coated spin job at it's best. There's no justification whatsoever for counting any of these students as UH Victoria students.
1.) If I go to the Sugarland Campus, and am taught by the teachers on that campus, then why would UH-Victoria count those students as "actual students"? That concept is totally foreign to me.
2.) Don't you think the Sugarland City leaders who so adamantly oppposed the A&M take over, wanted the heck out from under the UHV umbrella? Why would have Sugarland's leaders been so vocal against the A&M take over if UH Victoria wasnt in charge of UH Sugarland? If Sugarland is a "System" school as you are leading us all to beleive, then why was it a big deal when UH-Victoria was threatned? The system wouldn't have let Sugarland go to, and why was Sugarland even a part of the conversation back when all this went down?
Bottom line here, it sure looks like the Victoria Advocate and their Editor tried to lighten the blow this story actually may have on the public perception. This is the best form of word twisting and half truths I have ever read. This was the good old Advocate trying to down play a pretty significant blow to little old UHV. I just cracked up when I read the front page:
"Sweeten"? Really? How. Pray tell me how this "Sweeten's the deal for UH Victoria?
@vox "About one-third of UHV's 4,330 students come from the Sugar Land campus."
These campuses have long been an integral part of UH-Victoria and correct me if I am wrong, but it has widely been reported that the UH-Victoria administration was the admin. tasked with overseeing the operations at both UHV-Sugarland and UHV- Cinco Ranch. I recall Dr. Hudson being in charge, and as a matter of fact he use to spend several days a week at the UHV-Sugarland campus.
Either way, there goes 1/3 of the reportable enrollment.
"23,000 vehicles drive south from the Inez rest area each day. "
Of course they do! Back and forth to Houston and Mexico.
In order to have a Tourism Bureau you have to actually have something to tour. Let's get real......what in the world of tourism does Victoria have to offer?
Schools are a direct reflection of a community. This does not boad well for Victoria. When industry is being actively recruited to build and relocate to Victoria, Texas one of the first things decision makers look at is the quality of schools. Right now, ours are in the dumps. VISD has to get on board with a new vision. @Riverboat, I could not agree more. Vocational education is a good thing. Not every student can or will go to college. The problem with UHV and VC is that think that every child should attend college, and that could not be further from the truth! Higher Education has become money chasers, and they are doing these kids no favors. It's sad.
I'm afraid it's about to get real bad for my beloved university.......If I were in chgarge at UHV I would get with VC and piggy back on everything they do. VC has gotten right for almost 100 years. They have all the land, all the buildings, all the programs, and all the sports facilities. I think UHV needs to reach out to them like never before. VC is a wonderful institution that has basically kept UHV afloat for many many years now. I hate to say it, but I hope little brother bails us out!
I agree 100% with a Sports and Rec. fee! Many schools collect this. A minimal $50.00 fee per student is not asking much at all. That's better than a 1 month health club membership. Especially with state budget cuts, the Sports programs in Victoria have long kept this community afloat. I say GO FOR IT!
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the major reason for the sproposed switch is because the UH System refused to build a university away from the current location NOW. The city leaders and the UHV administration want a completely new university off site built right now or at least in the very near future? Is that correct?
The University of Houston System leaders said time and time again that they wanted the community, local leaders, and UHV administration to grow the student population at the current location, prove necessity, and then the UH sytem would determine whether or not they would build an entirely new university based on the need and the growth. Is that correct?
Admittedly, as alum, I will be sad to see the UH system go. I'm finding it hard to believe that the A&M system has promised the hundreds of millions of dollars it will cost to build a brand new university off site. Especially when our community has only given them a "best guess". For about 38 years UHV in Victoria (not Sugarland) hasn't seen a population growth at all. The online classes account for the majoriyty of "student population" and there is virtually no face to face offerings. I'm completely blown away that the city and community leaders honestly believe that there will be 5,000 to 10,000 students here? All I can say is that if the switch happens, I expect to see a HUGE sprawling campus with athletic facilities, a huge university library, student union, event center, gymnasiums, cafeterias and eateries, and all the bells and whistles that go along with a real 4 year University.... and I think the community really expects to see it all happen very, very soon. I also expect to see thousands upon thousands of students flocking to Victoria, Texas to fill this new, beautiful, sprawling campus that our city leaders have said is an absolute necessity. This is a gamble the city leaders now cannot afford to be wrong about.
As far as students just flocking to us by the thousands from Houston and the Valley, I'm not so sure about that. Why wouldn't those same students from the Valley flock to Kingsville A&M or CC A&M? Why aren't those campus populations exploding? Why not Texas A&M San Antonio and the brand new beautiful school they are building to compete with UTSA? If I'm from a small town or a big city for that matter I would much rather be in Houston or San Antonio or Austin. As it is now people don't flock to move here and work here, so why in the world are we suggesting that they are going to just rush to come here as students? This whole process is just simply baffling?
Unfortunately the "lone protester" was not the only person in Victoria that was oppossed to this production. This is pure unadulterated filth. This wouldn't have happenned on Dr. Goodson's watch.
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I have done some research and spoken to UHV "insiders", and just as I have suspected, according to people very close to UHV this story is nothing more than a sugar coated spin job at it's best. There's no justification whatsoever for counting any of these students as UH Victoria students.
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@Vox, no I guess I really don't get it.
Please clarify:
1.) If I go to the Sugarland Campus, and am taught by the teachers on that campus, then why would UH-Victoria count those students as "actual students"? That concept is totally foreign to me.
2.) Don't you think the Sugarland City leaders who so adamantly oppposed the A&M take over, wanted the heck out from under the UHV umbrella? Why would have Sugarland's leaders been so vocal against the A&M take over if UH Victoria wasnt in charge of UH Sugarland? If Sugarland is a "System" school as you are leading us all to beleive, then why was it a big deal when UH-Victoria was threatned? The system wouldn't have let Sugarland go to, and why was Sugarland even a part of the conversation back when all this went down?
Bottom line here, it sure looks like the Victoria Advocate and their Editor tried to lighten the blow this story actually may have on the public perception. This is the best form of word twisting and half truths I have ever read. This was the good old Advocate trying to down play a pretty significant blow to little old UHV. I just cracked up when I read the front page:
"Sweeten"? Really? How. Pray tell me how this "Sweeten's the deal for UH Victoria?
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@vox "About one-third of UHV's 4,330 students come from the Sugar Land campus."
These campuses have long been an integral part of UH-Victoria and correct me if I am wrong, but it has widely been reported that the UH-Victoria administration was the admin. tasked with overseeing the operations at both UHV-Sugarland and UHV- Cinco Ranch. I recall Dr. Hudson being in charge, and as a matter of fact he use to spend several days a week at the UHV-Sugarland campus.
Either way, there goes 1/3 of the reportable enrollment.
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"23,000 vehicles drive south from the Inez rest area each day. "
Of course they do! Back and forth to Houston and Mexico.
In order to have a Tourism Bureau you have to actually have something to tour. Let's get real......what in the world of tourism does Victoria have to offer?
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Schools are a direct reflection of a community. This does not boad well for Victoria. When industry is being actively recruited to build and relocate to Victoria, Texas one of the first things decision makers look at is the quality of schools. Right now, ours are in the dumps. VISD has to get on board with a new vision. @Riverboat, I could not agree more. Vocational education is a good thing. Not every student can or will go to college. The problem with UHV and VC is that think that every child should attend college, and that could not be further from the truth! Higher Education has become money chasers, and they are doing these kids no favors. It's sad.
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Football? That only cost a few million to get off the ground......Yeah Right!!!!!??????
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I'm afraid it's about to get real bad for my beloved university.......If I were in chgarge at UHV I would get with VC and piggy back on everything they do. VC has gotten right for almost 100 years. They have all the land, all the buildings, all the programs, and all the sports facilities. I think UHV needs to reach out to them like never before. VC is a wonderful institution that has basically kept UHV afloat for many many years now. I hate to say it, but I hope little brother bails us out!
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I agree 100% with a Sports and Rec. fee! Many schools collect this. A minimal $50.00 fee per student is not asking much at all. That's better than a 1 month health club membership. Especially with state budget cuts, the Sports programs in Victoria have long kept this community afloat. I say GO FOR IT!
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the major reason for the sproposed switch is because the UH System refused to build a university away from the current location NOW. The city leaders and the UHV administration want a completely new university off site built right now or at least in the very near future? Is that correct?
The University of Houston System leaders said time and time again that they wanted the community, local leaders, and UHV administration to grow the student population at the current location, prove necessity, and then the UH sytem would determine whether or not they would build an entirely new university based on the need and the growth. Is that correct?
Admittedly, as alum, I will be sad to see the UH system go. I'm finding it hard to believe that the A&M system has promised the hundreds of millions of dollars it will cost to build a brand new university off site. Especially when our community has only given them a "best guess". For about 38 years UHV in Victoria (not Sugarland) hasn't seen a population growth at all. The online classes account for the majoriyty of "student population" and there is virtually no face to face offerings. I'm completely blown away that the city and community leaders honestly believe that there will be 5,000 to 10,000 students here? All I can say is that if the switch happens, I expect to see a HUGE sprawling campus with athletic facilities, a huge university library, student union, event center, gymnasiums, cafeterias and eateries, and all the bells and whistles that go along with a real 4 year University.... and I think the community really expects to see it all happen very, very soon. I also expect to see thousands upon thousands of students flocking to Victoria, Texas to fill this new, beautiful, sprawling campus that our city leaders have said is an absolute necessity. This is a gamble the city leaders now cannot afford to be wrong about.
As far as students just flocking to us by the thousands from Houston and the Valley, I'm not so sure about that. Why wouldn't those same students from the Valley flock to Kingsville A&M or CC A&M? Why aren't those campus populations exploding? Why not Texas A&M San Antonio and the brand new beautiful school they are building to compete with UTSA? If I'm from a small town or a big city for that matter I would much rather be in Houston or San Antonio or Austin. As it is now people don't flock to move here and work here, so why in the world are we suggesting that they are going to just rush to come here as students? This whole process is just simply baffling?
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Unfortunately the "lone protester" was not the only person in Victoria that was oppossed to this production. This is pure unadulterated filth. This wouldn't have happenned on Dr. Goodson's watch.
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