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Perhaps we should read Heb. 12:1 along with Rev. 5:8. I think the rich man parable is good evidence that we will see in Heaven. If you conisder that the raising of Lazarus from dead seemed to require him to hear the words of Christ call him back to life. If this is true, then Lazarus sure could hear the request.
I am thankful, that as a Catholic, we continue converse with the those alive in Christ who is the God of the Living. It has given me great consolation to know that my grandparents and other loved ones hear my request for prayers and offer them as "bowls of incense."
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Still: Mr. Zuck can correct me if I am wrong, but I think he is saying that while we strive for holiness, there is the possibility that we reject Christ here through our actions and so choose our eternal reward as Maximis Decidius Meridius says "what we do here echoes for eternity" or St. Paul's reference to running the race as to win. There is no race unless there exists the possibility of not winning a crown and in the case of holiness it is our own choosing.
PatB, Really? How is the Church forcing their belief on you?
holein1, if you were asking me:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Number_of_abortions_in_United_States
I was 5 off, mea culpa.
@born2bme. "Not to bring politics into this, but if we want conservation and protection of our natural resources, Republican isn't going to do it. That party favors big business profit at any cost and not putting dollars into developing green energy. On the other hand, Democrats favors family planning and freedom of choice. So, which way do you go?"
Ok, born2bme, I am not a Republican. Boxing me in will not work. I am pro-life, against death penalty, against war that doesn't fit with JWT, pro-enviroment (I have taken further study in my industry for green practices and volunteered to help design and build the rain harvesting catchment system for Stroman Middle School (that project went on to win national awards)). Rather, I am a huge support of the human person. I don't think anyone innocent should be killed, either after conception in utero or before natural death. Like I said earlier, there are problems, but killing innocent children is not the answer.
@WWW, "You're right, Jared. With all the other stuff I was thinking about I neglected that. Okay, I believe rights should be bestowed at birth." Why? I do kinda take offense because I was present at the C-section of my son and realized that his life could have been taken up to the point he was out of the womb. I am pretty sure he was the same person five minutes prior to the C-sec.
@maryann, thanks. Good to hear from you again.
WWW, yet you still haven't mentioned when exactly is a person a person. What is the moment you think a person should have rights?
born2bme, "You don't think increasing populations harm mother nature? So every person does not use anything on this Earth during their lifetimes?"
No, I think people making bad decisions harm the earth. In my field, I have studied methods to build buildings with minimal enviromental impact. I realize this would never have been studied if people were not around to innovate.
"Congratulations Jared. Someone here has finally said something that leaves me speechless and scratching my head in wonder. Where did you go to school?"
It is always good to use ad hominem. Perhaps I am too dumb and uneducated to see your logical fallacy.
"But those large families would be needed to plant the crops by hand, weed by hand, harvest by hand, etc. Are you ready to go back to that?"
I think much of the problem can be cured by good economics and virtuous business practices.
I can search for the studies, but I have read that large families leave smaller footprints per capita than small families. Proper husbandry and care for the enviroment is very important, I just don't think overpopulation affects it. Overpopulation has been preached for decades, but non of the apocolyptic disasters have happened.
WWW, I really haven't brought any religion into this. Biology is all I need to defend this point. If life begins at conception, then it is real human life. If it is at some arbitrary point, you tell me when it begins. After that, I will tell you that so and so said it was after that point. And who will be right? You? The ethicist seated at Princeton? Or some sinle guy in Rome that says all life is valuable which includes your life and mine?
What would I do with 55 million children? Raise then. Imagine the voting block I would have with 55 million children. Each child was conceived, my easy answer is the parents should be responsible for the children.
WWW, your parents, God bless them for choosing life because I like chatting with you, made a choice to have sex which can create a new person. If you were aborted, would you know the difference? I say yes. Just because you cannot remember your in utero experience doesn't mean it didn't exist. I also cannot remember being fed a bottle but am pretty sure I am grateful for it. The point is that human life is not something anyone should discard.
By the way, for those that have had an abortion (male or female), the greatest news is that forgiveness is offered. I seldom go into spiritual matters, maybe I should more often, but there is nothing that cannot be forgiven. You are loved.
WWW, I am not saying everyone should be parents. Remember, I am Catholic. We think priests and nuns shouldn't have children so that they can dedicate their lives to their spiritual children. If a couple doesn't want children because they are unable to raise them, then natural family planning is option as well as abstinence. PP may offer other services, but it is nowhere close to their money maker of abortion services and receiving your forced donation of taxes. Regardless of all this, wanted or not, where does that trump the value of human life. Would you rather have lived or been aborted?