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Well, let's stop taking our guests' money. That's not hospitality. That's stealing. You said it yourself in your post: "Take their tax dollars and be grateful." Why should I accept their tax dollars and not give them the same options I have? I'm about equality for all who are wanting to achieve their American dream legally.
Please re-read my posts and you will see that I said I am a law-abiding American citizen. If I know someone is here illegally, it is my duty as an American to report them. But if they are here legally, give them the same options as us. Goodness.
But I'm am going to back down in my pride and tell you OK, you win. I was open to your comments and even agreed with you. You still chose to talk in all caps when I countered with nothing but respect for your posts. So you win. You're right. That's what you want to hear. Now excuse me. Me being an American citizen in this great state of Texas, I'm missing portions of my Monday Night Football. I bid thee goodnight.
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Thank you, Kyle, for your post. You have provided factors in which I can comprehend and accept. I appreciate the information.
Thank goodness for America to show progression and allow permanent residents to have some piece of the American pie. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around why the option cannot be there for them? OK, I know Wayward said if they want that option then they should become U.S. citizens. I agree to an extent. We are taking away from people who are here legally when they are paying taxes toward a government that will not give them the "option" (keyword here) of having a voice. How many Americans have the option to vote but don't? A lot. How many permanent residents, if given the opportunity, will vote? We may never know. I would be happy in knowing that we as American people gave those paying taxes, regardless of status, the option of letting their voice be known at the voting booths. Let them voice their opinion on where they want their hard-earned money to go to help better our country, the U.S.A. Who knows? They may want their tax dollars to go toward our military to keep fighting terrorism. They may want their tax dollars to go toward the highways and streets that need fixing. They may want their tax dollars to go toward building new schools so all children can learn in better surroundings. But we will never know this because we are seeing our status of "American citizen" as being superior than "permanent resident." That's not right in my eyes. I am trying to see everyone's point of view, and I respect them. Don't get me wrong. This is just my perspective. (By the way, my name is Wendy with an "e". Thanks.)
I'm sure the voting laws of Mexico mirror ours as well. Even then, I would say, "Why not give us the option? You gave us the option to become residents of Mexico, why not give us the option to vote, whether we want to or not?" It's the option, I seek. The same options we have, especially when they are legal residents. That's the America I'm proud of. The one that shows equality. The America that shows progression.
Wayward...I don't mind you shouting. I respect that you are passionate in your opinion. Thus, be aware that I'm not shouting in mine. I'm just trying to understand what is the big deal. I made the mistake of calling them "permanent citizens." I should have reworded it to say "permanent residents." What I don't understand is why they don't have the same option to vote like we do? They live here legally. They work here legally. Most are not here to not harm anyone, if anything help our country by legally paying their taxes. Yet we don't offer the same option of voting? I could really care who or who doesn't vote. But why not let the option be there for all residents of the United States of America? I know of a woman (and please no one speak ill of her because she is very close to me) who is a permanent resident and has been for more than 30 years. She does not participate in the voting process because she believe this country is corrupt. I don't like that she thinks that, but I can't blame her in her thinking. Sometimes I have to side with her. But I would like that the option of voting is there for her, if she would ever change her mind. That's America showing her pride in equality towards all. Yes, I see your point on if they want all of our rights, they should become American citizens. But if what was told to me was correct, how easy do you think it is for those seeking citizenship to come up with $10,000? I'm an American citizen born and raised and can't come up with that amount of money. If we don't want "permanent residents" to have all of the same freedoms and rights as we have, why have that status? Why give them the option of permanent resident status? Either way, we are denying them a right somewhere. If we allow them permanent resident status, we deny them the right to vote. If we take away the permanent resident status, we deny them the choice to live/work here legally and force American citizenship on them. Either way, choice is gone. Is that the America we want to promote?
Here's the difference: There are permanent citizens who are not harming anyone. They are trying to live the same freedoms as us. Don't get me wrong, anyone who is here illegally should be deported. I'm a law-abiding citizen. If I know someone is here illegally, regardless of their ethnic background, it is my duty as an American citizen to report them. If I know someone is causing intentional harm and making terroristic threats, it is my duty as an American citizen to report them. But if there is a person of permanent resident status who is living here legally, is abiding the law and is causing no harm to my fellow American people, then why deny them the same rights I have?
Wayward...I do respect your comment, and I do see your side. We all have a choice, regardless of social status, ethnic background, etc. I agree they have that choice of becoming citizens. I have to research this, but it was brought to my attention that it can cost up to $10,000 to become a citizen. If that's so, would you blame them for choosing the status of permanent citizens? If that's so, I think to make that choice of becoming American citizens should not be as difficult and expensive. As far as denouncing their citizenship, isn't there something called duel citizenship where they can be citizens of our country as well as their home country? Do I still think permanent residents should be allowed to vote? Sure. They are working legally to live amongst us. They are living their life, paying their taxes and raising their children to attend school to live the "American dream." We are allowing them to live this "American dream" through their permanent resident status we have opted them to have. They are living our freedoms, yet not having a SAY in them. I, personally, cannot take advantage of their tax dollars without knowing they will have the same rights and freedoms I have, including the right to vote. To me, that's not equality.
I'm not debunking your comment, Kash, but I do have to say that yes, they are allowed to work, but no they aren't allowed to enjoy our freedoms. At least all of our freedoms. If they were allowed to enjoy all of our freedoms, the subject matter of this poll or the story would have never been brought up.
We're all doing a favor by paying taxes because we all are driving on the same streets, getting education in the same schools, etc. from U.S. citizens to permanent residents. That's sounds like equality to me. But the focal point and question I raised through my comment is this: Why doesn't the government mandate permanent residents to become U.S. citizens? When they file for a green card or visa, they file for citizenship as well. Why doesn't that happen? I'm not trying to debate amongst people because I respect all comments and opinions. I look at things at a different perspective.
* I apologize for the multiple posts. I said the same thing in my first post, just re-worded it.