I am using the term because that is what some people refer to themselves even McVeigh’s writings.
“A Conservative Libertarian is a person that adheres to the constitution as a libertarian does, but will do so in a conservative manner. Conservative Libertarians are conservative in political nature, such as foreign policy, homeland security, and economics while strictly interpreting the constitution as it states. They believe in free rights, liberty, and the opportunity for everyone to make it to the top. Conservative Libertarians leave it up to the individual to determine what is right and wrong for themselves, and leave it up to the states to deal with murder and unjustified actions. Conservative Libertarianism is also a political position that deals with morality and ethical beliefs, based that all men and women are created equal. It is also a political party that does not allow religious beliefs to get in the way of allowing all people (regardless of their background, ethical standpoints, religious standpoints, or sexuality) the promises of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
Writein: "...but the fact remains that a White Conservative Libertarian military personnel made a terrorist attack. That is the point!!! The race war angle came from his love of a Neo-Nazi book the “Turner Diaries”. "
I never heard of a conservative libertarian. People are usually one or the other.
Are you saying that McVeigh was in the Army when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City? He was a veteran of Gulf War I and received the Bronze Star for his service. He was honorably discharged. He was NOT an Army terrorist. He was highly poppa oscared with the government about Ruby Ridge and Waco, but that had nothing to do with race and his bombing the building had nothing to do with attempting to start a race war. Nor were his actions in any way related to his religion or lack thereof. McVeigh was, quite simply, a nut who hated the government and their collection of taxes. He believed the government had implanted a tracking device into his body so they could track him.
What have said maybe true, but the fact remains that a White Conservative Libertarian military personnel made a terrorist attack. That is the point!!! The race war angle came from his love of a Neo-Nazi book the “Turner Diaries”.
Timothy McVeigh's motivations for the OK City bombing had NOTHING to do with race. He was taking revenge against the Federal government for its roles in the Waco/Ruby Ridge incidents. McVeigh was, in fact, attempting to start a revolt, certainly, but not against or for any race.
We do have the 1st Amendment and I support it with all my heart. It even gives idiot the "right" to spew hate and show the world how far some people have taken up the right to insult anyone with out cause other than "jus cuz".
Some folks are giving all trailer parks a bad name.
God bless the United States of America, every service man or woman, past or present of any race or religion and please forgive those that are so blinded by hate.
P.S. Someone please tell these folks that there are others that wear a "turban" that are not Muslim.
I remember back when the current pope first took office. He was giving a speech about how far we have come by the way of tolerance between the religions.
To show by way of example and to contrast how we are now to how it was back in ancient times, He quoted some words of the pope during the time of the crusades. The pope back then was preaching that Islam was a violent religion, a religion of hate, and must be stamped out.
The current pope was not agreeing with the old pope's words. He was in fact demonstrating how wrong it was back then and how we are more tolerant today.
Those words were taken out of context. spread by Islamic extremists around the Muslim world as the current pope's own words.
Naturally they objected to being called violent, a religion of hate.
Protests were rampant. Several Christian churches were burned to the ground and two Christian nuns, were brutally murdered. All in protest for being called violent.
I put forth no conclusions, only facts. Drawn your own conclusions.
Vet...Yeah, there are muslims in the US military, but I don't know how honorably they are serving. I seem to remember an incident here in Texas where a field grade Army officer who is also a muslim, decided to take jihad into his own hands. This is why I don't trust muslims; there is no way to distinguish between the sheep and the goats until the shooting starts. So, since there are so many muslims who want to kill Americans, I'll not trust any of them. Now, the president has appointed TWO devout muslims to high level posts in DHS. Gee, I feel safer already.
VBB...You might want to think again about that freedom of speech/thought comment. I read a couple days ago that the Secret Service is investigating a woman who hollered at Rick Santorum as he was shooting a .45 to imagine he was shooting at Obama. Obama wasn't within a thousand miles, but the SS is investigating nonetheless. Also, remember that the Dept. of Homeland Security is monitoring internet comments by innocent civilians. We aren't nearly as free as we used to be. By the way, I also thought the original blog was humerous, but SugarMagnolia, I didn't notice ANY hyperbole. I thought it was, if anything, somewhat UNDERSTATED but very accurate.
Geez vet, take a chill pill. Here in the USA we still have freedom of speech, freedom of thought & a sense of humor. I rather enjoyed his blog, found it very amusing.
Ever notice that this level of ugly hatred is not only a middle-eastern trait? I do not believe this is responsible behavior on the bloggers part. Just drags everyone into the same sewer. Yes, it may be as accurate as some peoples pride in shooting an innocent child bases on skin color.
One other thought. There are brave American service men and women in uniform that are of the Islam faith. If you support this rant please explain your deep unreasonable disrespect for them
I think it is worth a editors comment on rather it is appropriate.
vet43, this blog may be a fine example of hyperbole, but not by very much.
Which parts do not ring true for you? Even when the truth is masked in exaggerated humor, it is still the truth, just a little easier to swallow down, like a sugar-coated jagged little pill.
And we wonder why folks say there just not enough hate to go around. Perhaps the Victoria Advocate staff would take time to review this and let us know if there is a level of bigotry that is considered acceptable. Which side of the line would this blog be on?
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March 25, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.So it is OK to be a religious bigot? I disagree with that on every level. It is wrong.
March 25, 2012 at 10:15 p.m.Waywardwind.
I am using the term because that is what some people refer to themselves even McVeigh’s writings.
“A Conservative Libertarian is a person that adheres to the constitution as a libertarian does, but will do so in a conservative manner. Conservative Libertarians are conservative in political nature, such as foreign policy, homeland security, and economics while strictly interpreting the constitution as it states. They believe in free rights, liberty, and the opportunity for everyone to make it to the top. Conservative Libertarians leave it up to the individual to determine what is right and wrong for themselves, and leave it up to the states to deal with murder and unjustified actions. Conservative Libertarianism is also a political position that deals with morality and ethical beliefs, based that all men and women are created equal. It is also a political party that does not allow religious beliefs to get in the way of allowing all people (regardless of their background, ethical standpoints, religious standpoints, or sexuality) the promises of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
Frank Meyer, National Review.
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March 25, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.Writein: "...but the fact remains that a White Conservative Libertarian military personnel made a terrorist attack. That is the point!!! The race war angle came from his love of a Neo-Nazi book the “Turner Diaries”. "
I never heard of a conservative libertarian. People are usually one or the other.
Are you saying that McVeigh was in the Army when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City? He was a veteran of Gulf War I and received the Bronze Star for his service. He was honorably discharged. He was NOT an Army terrorist. He was highly poppa oscared with the government about Ruby Ridge and Waco, but that had nothing to do with race and his bombing the building had nothing to do with attempting to start a race war. Nor were his actions in any way related to his religion or lack thereof. McVeigh was, quite simply, a nut who hated the government and their collection of taxes. He believed the government had implanted a tracking device into his body so they could track him.
March 25, 2012 at 9:35 p.m.Sugar.
What have said maybe true, but the fact remains that a White Conservative Libertarian military personnel made a terrorist attack. That is the point!!! The race war angle came from his love of a Neo-Nazi book the “Turner Diaries”.
Mr. Williams
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March 25, 2012 at 8:51 p.m.Timothy McVeigh's motivations for the OK City bombing had NOTHING to do with race. He was taking revenge against the Federal government for its roles in the Waco/Ruby Ridge incidents. McVeigh was, in fact, attempting to start a revolt, certainly, but not against or for any race.
So, about that race war....
March 25, 2012 at 8:48 p.m."Should I go there, Waywardwind? You have a track record. Your logic has more holes than Swiss cheese."
As does yours. quite often.
The most you ever have done to me is harp about a typo.
March 25, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.We do have the 1st Amendment and I support it with all my heart. It even gives idiot the "right" to spew hate and show the world how far some people have taken up the right to insult anyone with out cause other than "jus cuz".
Some folks are giving all trailer parks a bad name.
God bless the United States of America, every service man or woman, past or present of any race or religion and please forgive those that are so blinded by hate.
P.S. Someone please tell these folks that there are others that wear a "turban" that are not Muslim.
March 25, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.I would love to hear more about Timothy McVeighs attempts to start a race war. Please tell us more about this?
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March 25, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.I remember back when the current pope first took office. He was giving a speech about how far we have come by the way of tolerance between the religions.
To show by way of example and to contrast how we are now to how it was back in ancient times, He quoted some words of the pope during the time of the crusades. The pope back then was preaching that Islam was a violent religion, a religion of hate, and must be stamped out.
The current pope was not agreeing with the old pope's words. He was in fact demonstrating how wrong it was back then and how we are more tolerant today.
Those words were taken out of context. spread by Islamic extremists around the Muslim world as the current pope's own words.
Naturally they objected to being called violent, a religion of hate.
Protests were rampant.
Several Christian churches were burned to the ground and two Christian nuns, were brutally murdered. All in protest for being called violent.
I put forth no conclusions, only facts.
March 25, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.Drawn your own conclusions.
Vet...Yeah, there are muslims in the US military, but I don't know how honorably they are serving. I seem to remember an incident here in Texas where a field grade Army officer who is also a muslim, decided to take jihad into his own hands. This is why I don't trust muslims; there is no way to distinguish between the sheep and the goats until the shooting starts. So, since there are so many muslims who want to kill Americans, I'll not trust any of them. Now, the president has appointed TWO devout muslims to high level posts in DHS. Gee, I feel safer already.
March 25, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.VBB.
March 25, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.Vet also has the right to voice his dislike of this rotten blog. If the shoe was on the other foot would you be mad?
VBB...You might want to think again about that freedom of speech/thought comment. I read a couple days ago that the Secret Service is investigating a woman who hollered at Rick Santorum as he was shooting a .45 to imagine he was shooting at Obama. Obama wasn't within a thousand miles, but the SS is investigating nonetheless. Also, remember that the Dept. of Homeland Security is monitoring internet comments by innocent civilians. We aren't nearly as free as we used to be. By the way, I also thought the original blog was humerous, but SugarMagnolia, I didn't notice ANY hyperbole. I thought it was, if anything, somewhat UNDERSTATED but very accurate.
March 25, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.Geez vet, take a chill pill. Here in the USA we still have freedom of speech, freedom of thought & a sense of humor. I rather enjoyed his blog, found it very amusing.
March 25, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.Ever notice that this level of ugly hatred is not only a middle-eastern trait? I do not believe this is responsible behavior on the bloggers part. Just drags everyone into the same sewer. Yes, it may be as accurate as some peoples pride in shooting an innocent child bases on skin color.
One other thought. There are brave American service men and women in uniform that are of the Islam faith. If you support this rant please explain your deep unreasonable disrespect for them
I think it is worth a editors comment on rather it is appropriate.
Mr. Cobler please comment.
March 25, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.vet43, this blog may be a fine example of hyperbole, but not by very much.
Which parts do not ring true for you? Even when the truth is masked in exaggerated humor, it is still the truth, just a little easier to swallow down, like a sugar-coated jagged little pill.
March 25, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.Riverboat,
March 25, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.That was one of the best blogs I've read in the past few years. It will very difficult reading for the ultra-sensitive.
And we wonder why folks say there just not enough hate to go around. Perhaps the Victoria Advocate staff would take time to review this and let us know if there is a level of bigotry that is considered acceptable. Which side of the line would this blog be on?
March 25, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.You appear to have covered all the bases. Excellent summary of the current situation.
March 25, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.