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This seems to be just a case of Democrat Bashing, regardless of common sense. Do the Republicans have a monopoly on poverty or Common Sense?
"Like Republicans, most Democrats are not in Washington D.C.; or do their neighbors trying to pay the bills down the street, after having lost their jobs count?"
A Consumption tax, affects those who can afford to spend more than most, plain and simple. It's not the poor, or the newly included poor Americans that this is targeted towards.
It's those who are complaining about the rise in living cost, but have a $100,000 dollar Camper parked next to their 2009 Dodge Charger paid in full, that are really up in arms. They claim to be one of the poor, that just because they have more they should pay less.
I'm not talking about an unfair tax. This would be the most fair tax around, because its "voluntary". I know a little bit about the under ground economy too, and those that cheat will always cheat. It's a matter of honor, integrity, and respect; something that can not be legislated.
I pay 100% of my taxes, and I go out of my way to be very accurate; even if I pay a little more than I should. Because, I live my life like a true Christian, "To whom much is given, much more is required".
But, I am not damn supporter of PainOski! I may believe President "Big Ears" to be inadequate and possessing a failed ideology, but PainOski is a whole nother kind of bad idea.
Personally I beleive she is very ambitious, in a dangerous way for both the Democratic party and America. I would suspect stongly a liberal zealot, lives beneath her calm demeanor.
So while I support a compensation tax, I would not trust it being advocated by her 100%. It's time will come, it's a matter of necessity; just not right now.
Health Care Reform -> Eliminate Deficit -> Make permenant the Conversion of 90% of all Continential Energy to Alternative and private public transportation-> Put every able mind in College studing science, medicine, biology, and math ->Open up all Drilling and raise the price of oil to $250.00 a barrel.
This would slow down the worlds economy, while stimiulating our own; and put us at great advantage to compete with 3rd world labor.
A new golden age.
Somewhere along the way a consumption tax would become necessary.
Bravo Suzy, Republicans speak ill of the poor who subsist on assistance that they have a sense of entitlement or welfare mindset. This goes for all those like Ken who want children to be born but does not agree to pay the taxes to support them. You ask me Republicans as in the words of Ronald Reagan are the biggest welfare Queens around.
Legion, I see your point. I also see taxes having to go up to keep up with the increase in prices. As the Country grows and population explodes, more and more taxes will be needed just to keep up with the basic needs. Do you see a way around that?
My point is that no matter how temporarily a tax is imposed by the government, that it has a strange way of becoming permenate and actually increases over time.
The fine for not having health insurance is nothing more than the federal government telling us peon citizens what we should do, and getting spanked if we don't.
That is not the role of the federal government, no more than imposing hidden taxes for everything from gasoline and every single thing delivered to a store in a truck.
By having a hidden tax, the government is increasing the price of everything. A value added tax will only add to the cost of goods we all buy and use.
And Lord have mercy, if the cap and trade BS gets passed, we call all expect to pay at least 20% on all our bills.
Not at all Suzy, we all pay income tax on what we earn, we all pay sales tax to our state and local government, we all pay property tax(even if you rent a apt., you do), and that's the way the country runs.
Excise taxes and value added taxes are disguised as the price of what a certain good is, it is a lie, us poor peon citizens do not realize we are being taxed.... AGAIN.
A case in point, the excise tax on tires was implemented why WW2 broke out, the military needed the tires don't you know, but it was not repealed until decades later.
When you buy new tires for your car, you are charged a state mandated disposal fee for the old tires, even though none of the tires are disposed of, they just stack up somewhere. Over the limit.. cont. on next post
Just one question, Legion. How much of the "good life" would you be enjoying without taxes?Our schools are funded through taxes, or roads and highways, our State and County governments, our parks, police officers, our military, and a lot of other things. Do you propose that we quit paying taxes and give up all those things, or do you just think they are free?
And add to the 18.4¢ federal tax the 19.9¢ tax the state of Texas collects. No where on a gas pump does it say that for every gallon of gas you buy, you pay 37.3¢ in tax per gallon.
And it was suppose to end in one year,1934, I guess we can see how that worked out.
Considered, yep same argument used towards the health care bill.
Once the federal government enacts a tax, it is there forever, and usually increases. A hidden VAT that has been around for decades...
Gasoline Excise Tax For Deficit Reduction -- 1932
To correct this budgetary imbalance, the Secretary of the Treasury submitted comprehensive tax-raising and expenditure-reduction proposals for congressional action. Among the tax recommendations were those for legislation increasing individual and corporation income, estate and gift, excise, and other taxes. Included in the excise tax proposals was the request for a new federal manufacturers excise tax on gasoline, to be levied at the rate of one cent a gallon and scheduled to end in 1934. It was estimated that adoption of such a tax would yield the U.S. Treasury approximately $165 million in revenues during fiscal year 1933.Rate of Tax in cents per gallon Period to Which Applicable1¢ June 21, 1932, to June 16, 19331.5 ¢ June 17, 1933, to December 31, 19331 ¢ January 1, 1934, to June 30, 19401.5 ¢ July 1, 1940, to October 31, 19512¢ November 1, 1951, to June 30, 19563¢ July 1, 1956, to September 30, 19594¢ October 1, 1959, to March 31, 19839¢ April 1, 1983, to December 31, 19869.1¢ January 1, 1987, to August 31, 1990 (a)9 ¢ September 1, 1990, to November 30, 199014.1¢ December 1, 1990 , to September 30, 199318.4¢ October 1, 1993, to December 31, 1995 (b)18.3¢ January 1, 1996 (c), to September 30, 199718.4¢ October 1, 1997 (d), to March 31, 200518.3¢ April 1, 2005, to September 30, 2005
This is so far just being considered, and key Republicans are doing the considering. Of course, some Democrats are looking at it too, but it is not even on the table yet.
Newearth..."I will not raise taxes on Americans who make less than $250,000, not one cent! Oh President Obama, then please explain this hidden tax."
About all we can hope for is that this promise to not raise taxes will bite him in the same place President Bush's promise of "Read my lips! No new taxes" bit him -- in the ballot box. The VAT is insideous with it's hidden additions at every level from ore being dug from he earth to the toaster being unwrapped on Christmas morning. For me, I'd rather have the present tax system. For those who'd rather have the VAT, I could live with it IF it replaced the income tax rather than added to it like Pelosi wants to do. There's no way we can afford BOTH!
I will not raise taxes on Americans who make less than $250,000, not one cent! Oh President Obama, then please explain this hidden tax. Health Care Reform will not raise middle class taxes! Oh President Obama, there you go again. Anyone with a brain know's the 'value added tax' means raising everyone's taxes, what goes around comes around no matter if you make zero dollars or own a bank. Just think, there are so many people thinking they are getting free health care soon, but that simply is not true, even if they get free health care now, this tax will come out their pocket, in a way it is bitter-sweet.
Yeah, that makes sense. Americans are already hurting right now. Let's take some more of their hard earned money away from them.
From the Liberal/Socialist/Communist perspective, the VAT is ideal due to its' main difference from the sales tax. With our 8.25% sales tax, you are reminded of how much tax you are paying every time you make a taxable purchase. With the VAT, the tax is assessed at every stage of the production process and is included in the cost to the next purchaser. The final purchaser has no way to determine what percentage of what he just paid is tax. This is why left wings start to flutter at the very mention of a Value Added Tax, it is the ultimate hidden tax.
One thing about these liberal progressive democrats that are currently holding office in congress, with the likes of Pelosi and her band of thieves, these folks couldn’t care less how they stick us with taxes. They will do what ever it takes to make sure their agenda is covered. These (MORONS) walk around with a silver spoon stuck in their you no what. It is time to vote these SUCKERS out office. It is time to get people in office that abide by the constitution, and stop this government intrusion into our lives. There is a band of democrats in congress that is hell bent on turning this country into a (BANANA REPUBLIC) and force socialism down our throats. Where has the physical responsibility gone?