Jr74.

I’m surprised that you are in agreement.

First off Justin, I told you the first time you posted this that I agree with it. Alot more than the bill that was just signed into law. I believe people should not be FORCED into a healthcare system they don't believe in, or want for that matter. Pre-existing conditions should not be a factor, I know this from experiance when my company changes insurances and my son and I have to fight for weeks with the new company to get covered. Obama doesn't and hasn't given a ratts a** about anybody in this country and won't start now. And as far as getting the "corrupt" politicians out of office in November....they ALL need to go. Why not cut it down to just one rep from each state? Make it easy. IMO

Clifford.

Thank you.

Healthcare.
Should we deny healthcare to people that cannot afford it.
Okay, lets see what happens when you that are opposed to that loose your job and get sick. Then what?
I dont think we should pay for undocumented imigrants. Nor do I think I should pay for two wars, or bailouts , or be in a recession.
What about that person who has paid for medical ins. for 30 years and gets laid off , your telling me that that person does not need to be taken care of ? Usually the person that is doing all this complaining about healthcare has not experienced hard times. Keep on living !!!

Mike.

In all due respect. A NEW “LBJ” is needed in Congress or in the National Arena. If I were a Senator, you bet your bottom dollar, my plan would get out of committee. I would call those corrupted congressmen out in the process, if they do not do so. A 21st century version of the “Johnson Treatment“.

Rollinstone

Let me tell you something. I will not delete you comments nor cry to the mods about your behavior. You need to shape up. I offer an IDEA, a PLAN so you and others can see. Instead of DISCUSSING the ISSUE, you go off with your insults and doomsday Glenn Beckian tones.

"I actually understand how the the free market works." Really? I guess that is why you like socialized medicine so much, LOL. What other business would stand for this intrusion by the government - I feel sorry for doctors and hospitals. They are in for a hell of a time. But then someone who understands how markets work as well as you do I'm sure couldn't care less about such trivial matters.

Next in line for "treatment" is Wall Street, but not Fannie and Freddie, because they are still required to make bad loans - I know how well you understand this. However the rest of us are just a little too stupid to comprehend anything like this.

Yeah Mike, I guess you're right unfettered government is a good thing, just ask Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin....oh that's right they're dead - what a shame.

You didn't get that chuckle from me;I didn't say unfettered free market. I actually understand how the the free market works...As long as we have the Fed we will never have an unfettered free market.we have the FDA,EPA,FDIC, and other agencies assured us that we will not go to corporatism,Platonism or back to the Glenn Beck gold standard. on a

I used unfettered (in previous posts) To mean that we can not let the market run amok...Alan Greenspan just made a statement last week re-emphasizing that. You live in a "either or" world so I know I never will penetrate your free-market fundamentalist mind but I'm pretty sure Americans want some financial reforms, so we don't have to go through what we did from 2005- 2007....I actually put my money where my free-market capitalist mouth is... I just don't have a disdain for government but I don't expect you to make any sense of that.

So am I. You know Mike, I get a chuckle everytime you mention unfettered free markets, you know why? Because now we have completely unfettered government - it's a hell only someone like you could enjoy.

Touche,glad not to be one of your loyal followers.

No, it doesn't include name callers otherwise you would have been included.

How many posters does "we" represent?I think just those that resort to name calling, a daily doom and gloom prognostication,weak attempts at humor,and have a fundamentalist view of the free market/world....Not many.

IMO

Mike

Well you prove my point exactly, of course you can be a greedy fool and toast the excesses of success if you are the lucky few but for the rest of the nation there is a need for regulation in all free market economies.

The Health Care law is quite simply an effort to bring equilibrium to an unfettered market that has been out of control for decades.

Time will tell if it is successful but your alternative (which seems to be to let these systems run untouched by Government)can be just as damaging as any blanket smothering by a Government (which I don't believe this law is going to do anyway).

I'll match your coo coo and raise you a doo doo because that's what you're dropping on the heads of those who will never get a slice of the apple pie in your segregated view of utopia

Mike "We" was referring to people who hate socialism, I obviously was not including you.

@rollinstone

You are forgetting to mention the one, biggest fault with an unfettered system like that - corporate greed. You will never get equality in a system like this and the withouts will remain without.

It's nice to live in cuckoo cloud land and think you can wind that free market system clock up, let it go and it will tick over just nicely but that's just not reality.

Writen

With all due respect this health care bill is law and evidently it passed the only way it could have been passed.

Again you don't have the basic knowledge of what it took to pass this monstrosity...I don’t mean to offend there have been several hundred hours of debate; thousands of ideas; and the final bill with fixes is what it took to pass this legislation.

1. It had to be feasible for the insurance companies to offer coverage for those 32 million new customers. Taking in those with pre-existing conditions without concessions would not have been possible.
2. It had to be revenue and deficit neutral.
3. The Hyde amendment was in from the very start
4. To expand as chip to every child would put an extra burden on the overburdened states.
5. Your ideas would have never made it out of committee; much less onto the floor in the Senate for a 60 super majority vote.
6. I would bet your idea would have not even made it to the Congressional Budget Office for calculation.
This was never an economic package because it takes several years of improvements to see the final results.

We?

We don't hate Obama, we hate socialism, with your permission of course. But whatever? BigJ, if I could make a suggestion. Why not try the free market system and let the law of supply and demand do its job, it is so simple - it does not require thousands of pages of incomprehensible, double talking gibberish.

Healthcare costs are escalating out of control now because the government is involved with the distribution of healthcare. In markets without this interference, we see prices going down and the quality going up - that should be a clue.

But sadly, I think we are too far down this socialist path to implement your ideas or mine.

Where are the Obama haters on this one?