Fine, fine. If you want to call it genocide, be my guest. It's a free oontry, so far, and if that's what you want to believe, it's your right. You can call a bull snake a buffalo. It doesn't make it one, but if your circle agrees on that definition and you all know what you're talking about when you say buffalo, then you can all communicate. Knock yourselves out.

Tell that to Dr. Alveda King, Windy.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted to prevent the births of the "unfit" and to have the "acceptable" segments of the population to provide the populace. Hitler and his men used her writings to plan much of their deeds in creating the so-called master race.

Kenneth has written about the Negro Project, if I'm not mistaken.

Sanger even tried, successfully, in some cases to get the African American preachers to convince women to use more birth control and sterilize themselves. She would be proud that the abortion clinics are in so many poor neighborhoods today.

Thanks Kenneth for this blog.

"gen⋅o⋅cide  /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [jen-uh-sahyd] Show IPA

–noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

Sigh...Once again, abortion is not genocide. Yeah, there have been a lot of them but they are the result of pregnant women who don't want to be, seeking an end to their pregnancy. This is not an extermination of a national, racial, political or cultural group. Abortion is NOT something that the evil white people are forcing unwilling black women to do. Please excuse the shouting, BUT IT'S NOT GENOCIDE!

Over 50 million deaths in the U.S. alone since 1972 is a genocide, WWW. When the Germans were in the middle of their destruction, they didn't think it was genocide either. When the U.S. had legal slavery, many in the country didn't think it was quite so bad as well.

Dr. Alveda King, Martin Luther King, Jr.'s niece, has said in numerous speeches that what we are witnessing is black genocide in America. Obviously, she's not the only African-American pro-lifer to believe this.

WWW- you and the aborted children have something in common- you're human. (Right???? ;-})

There's a writer in the paper today defending the rights of animals. He has some compassion on them. That's amazing when you look at what we legally let humans do to humans.

We have laws on the books protecting eagle's eggs and turtles eggs making it a crime to destroy them.

In effect, they have more rights than unborn humans.

Don't you have any compassion for members of your own species? And not just the ones that happened to be conceived and "wanted." What have they done to deserve death? Not just death, but being dismembered?

maryann..."The intentional killing, murder, of a particular race or sect on the basis of color of skin or religious beliefs"

Sorry, maryann, abortion doesn't rise to this definition. It may not be pretty, it may be a lousy form of birth control and you might not like that some choose it over birth, but it is certainly NOT genocide. Women choosing to terminate their pregnancy is not a threat to the survival of the black race.

The nazis in Germany intended to eliminate Jews from the face of the earth. There are tribes in some African nations that intend to eliminate other tribes from the face of the earth. These are examples of genocide. A third of the abortions in the US is not a threat to a race of people. Calling abortion genocide is blatant propaganda designed to confuse people. Aborting a fetus is not genocide even though it's genetically complete -- that's not what genocide is.

WWW, I agree with Kenneth- it is genocide, as one person is taking action to end the life of another, and the overall numbers are vast.

We can say the woman "chooses" to end that life, but it is still a genetically complete and different life from her own.

The kid doesn't have a choice, at 6wks gestation, or 9 months gestation.

The societies that have permitted and the individuals who have committed genocide would say it was their "choice" to kill the other human beings as well. Some would even say it was their duty to kill off the parasites.

They'd also say it was legal, as it was made perfectly legal to kill Jews at one time in Germany.

We can manipulate words such as "choice" and legal, but killing defenseless humans can't be prettied up forever.

Ken..."Windy, 36% of the abortions in this country is a huge number of a targeted population of only 13%! Call it a targeted population because a caucasian/white/Anglo-Saxon organization is targeting black and Hispanics! How much more "tribal" can you get?"

You're still ignoring the fact that evrey one of those 36% black and hispanic women SEEK OUT the abortions you condem. It's NOT "genocide" when the women want the abortion! I can't answer why they seek them -- perhaps they already have other kids and feel that they simply cannot afford another. Perhaps they are adicted to one form of dope or another and, in a lucid moment, realize that they really shouldn't be bring a child into the world when they are in the condicion they are in. Perhaps they just simply don't want a kid and their birth control failed; it happens, you know. There are any number of reasons why and your genereous offer to take care of them notwithstanding, it ain't gonna happen. I don't know if you have kids of your own, but, if a half-dozen showed up on your door within a month, you'd be overwhelmed. You already care for your mother -- a difficult thing to do, I know. Another bunch of infants needing full time care, clothing, food, changing and a hundred other things I can't imagine because I didn't have any. The expense would be extreme and I'm not sure the Lord would be writing any checks to cover that.

Ken: "Call it a target population because a caucasian/white/anglo-saxon organization is targeting blacks and hispanics!"

Ken, do I understand from your statement that your position is that Planned Parenthood is a caucasian/white/anglo-saxon organization? Are you stating that their are no Black or Hispanic doctors performing abortions? No Black or Hispanic nurses working in abortion clinics? All abortions are performed by white doctors and all clinics are staffed entirely by caucasians? Do you have research data to support this assertion?

How big is this home of yours? You are providing for yourself, a new bride (congratulations), an elderly parent, perhaps her parents someday, and any number of babies which may be sent to live with you. I appreciate your zealous christian attitude but can you realistically accomplish these goals? Are you prepared to turn your home into an orphanage or foster home to the crossroads? The State? The World?

I do agree with you regarding late-term abortions, however, I cannot agree to outlaw all abortions regardless of choice or circumstance. I do not advocate abortion as a substitute for birth control but I do believe it is a woman's right, at least initially, to choose whether to have a baby or abort the pregnancy.

Kenneth, there is not a man alive that could ever please everyone on every topic. Do I agree with everything he says or stands for...NO. Do I think that he was the better of the two men running for President...YES. Do I think that if he was removed from office, things would be different....NO
Why?...because I think that the President does not run this Country. Big business and special interest have control of this Country. I feel that President Obama is better suited to the task of "trying" changing that. McCain would not have even thought of changing that.
If we, as a Country, just choose a man based entirely on moral grounds, this Country will come to a screeching halt (Think Bush). This Country is not made up of a majority of moral people, even though I wish it was. A President has to govern an entire Country, not just one small part of it, or "for" one small part of it. He has one of the toughtest jobs in the world and only earns a fraction of what big business CEO's make. There is something wrong with that picture, don't you think?

Speech, you forgot Kosovo,Bosnia,Haiti, the Tsunami and so forth. If you are going to call us world's police, please do write all of the places that we been and what I mean by "we", I mean, I personally had the honor to be there. Now, once again, you people are making this a conservative againts liberal issue. I am making it a life issue. This is not a woman choice but saving a life (I am referring as using abortion as a birth control instead of the woman's health being put at risk). I know that this issue is not going to get resolved here and now but I do I agree with Ken about late abortion, that is just plain wrong. At the same time, I do agree that more social programs need to be created and sustain to help society, but please, dont make this a race/economic issue, that is plainly sick.

Ken..."Genocide is death! The intentional killing, murder, of a particular race or sect on the basis of color of skin or religious beliefs!"

You're right about the definition of genocide, but, Ken, that's NOT is what is happening with abortion in America. The genocide you describe is either governmental or tribal in origin. In America, abortion is on request of the pregnant woman. There is NO governmental requirement that she have one. There are no tribes here that try to wipe out another tribe. You're describing things that happen in Somilia or some other hell-hole in Africa or the middle east. Those are definitely NOT the circumstances we have in the US.

I'll even go so far as to agree with your feelings about the late-term, almost time of birth abortions. However, regardless of your outrage, those are very few by percentage. I don't have a problem with outlawing abortions in the second half of the gestation period. If a woman hasn't decided to have the abortion by that time, then she shouldn't have it. Four and a half months should be plenty of time to make her up her mind. But, I'll never agree with you that all abortions should be outlawed. I don't believe that a fertilized egg is deserving of governmental protective laws.

Kenneth, The President has many jobs. You seem to think that he cannot do his job if he doesn't think like you, or he has questionable associates.
He CAN multi-task, unlike McCain, who couldn't do a debate and think at the same time.
We elected him for change, not be a moral police. He is doing what the majority of the voters elected him to do.

Be careful what you presume Ken. I do not idolize Nancy Pelosi nor do I care for Harry Reid. In fact, I think the Democratic leadership in Congress leaves much to be desired.

However, I do support abortion rights and I do support this President and that makes me neither sad, sick, or a lowlife, despite what you dictate.

It is nothing more than empty rhetoric to bloviate on how you will take ANY baby ANY time. I am sure that if someone arrived on your doorstep and offered their baby you would have them arrested for abandonment of a child. Further, the State would not allow the arrangement you suggest. A fact of which you are certainly aware. Yet you sit here in judgment and pontificate your beneficence. Saint Kenneth preaching to the heathens.

If you had been around in Columbus' time you would have been stating "The world is flat. That is a fact and beyond debate."

If you had been alive in Galileo's time you would have shouted "The Sun revolves around the Earth. That is a fact and beyond debate."

Of course, you would have been wrong but you would have had quite a following who agreed with you. The same is true today. I believe that what you state as fact is wrong yet there are those who will agree with you.

Freedom of speech allows you to espouse your opinions but the are not FACT and, thankfully, in a society which allows freedom of speech, NOTHING is beyond debate.

Logic said and is correct:
STOP CHALLENGING OTHERS, BECAUSE IT'S ALL TALK. AND, ACTONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

I started blogging thinking that I would be debated by conservative sages who would challenge my position with logic and shake my reasoning to its core-- needless to say I have been disappointed. Conservative goals are smoke and mirrors. Conservatives say they want government out of our lives yet they want to regulate the womb [abortion], the bedroom [gay marriage],and privacy [Patriot Act]. They cried about not being the worlds policeman and sent in under armed troops into Somalia, then had invaded Grenada, Panama Canal, Iraq, Afghanistan, and nosed into El Salvador and the Contras.Free enterprise saved by Bush [GM, Chrysler] with over a trillion dollars before Obama's swearing in. Republicans cry against nation building and we have sunk hundreds of billions of tax dollars into a country [Iraq] with trillions in oil reserves no loan attached. They took a balanced budget with a surplus to super debt and then months later wounder why Obama has not fixed it basically over night. Basically conservative ideas are bankrupt backed not unlike this issue with lip service and defended not with logic but with name calling [Nazi, socialist, unAmerican] as the ideas are riddled with hypocrisy and faulty logic.

hey Kenneth, are you ready for thousands of babies showing up on your doorstep? Now, you have to put your money where your mouth is, or quit blowing smoke up everyone's "well, you know".

I find it sickening that one side finds this issue to be an economic issue. It is a fact that abortion is genocide but at the same time, is a fact that Republicans are lacking in the social arena. Life is sacred, whether is an fetus or a person in death row. Both of them are wrong but what is funny, one is willing to die to defend the rights of the unborn but has no second thoughts about putting to death and the other one would not accept that a fetus a living being but is willing to defend killers for their right to live. Both sides are crazy, either you respect life or you dont, you can not go halfway.

After years of indecision on the abortion issue, I still must conclude that there are viable concerns about why it should be outlawed. If abortion had NOT been legal, I wonder about how much worse off we would be. Everything is not about money, but I am certain that, had those multitudes of abortions NOT occured, how many more prisons would we have had to build? How many more policemen, investigators, social services programs and food pantries would be needed? It's common knowledge that most abortions are performed for the financially ill-prepared and the socially irresponsible. Those in our society make comments like "Bring thenm to me, I'll take any baby of any race, I'll care for them all." And they SEEM genuine in their willingness to prove it. But, are they REALLY that sincere? It'a gesture that's so easy to profess in a blog, but what about in reality?
If you are TRULY sincere about saving babies from death, then WHY are you NOT standing outside of abortion clinics, offering your generocity. How often do you see the Highway Patrol, on duty, looking for criminal activity INSIDE a CHURCH DURING PRAYER MEETING? Exactly, and why is that? Because that's not where crime occurs. GO WHERE THE FISH ARE BITING, GO TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN DO SOME GOOD.
Unless you are TRULY willing to do WHATEVER YOU CAN to save babies from certain death, you might want to STOP CHALLENGING OTHERS, BECAUSE IT'S ALL TALK. AND, ACTONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

Yes or No ? I am all for no abortions Ken. But not providing provisions for them is lunacy. I will support a Constitutional Amendment to abolish abortion as long as it empowers Government to tax mercilessly to care for all the children who could not be found a willing home. Yes or No ?

What will it prove if Kevin Jackson disagrees with my view? Why is my viewpoint any less viable than his? Or yours? I happen to wholeheartedly disagree with you on this issue. That does not make me sad or pitiful. When you preface all your opinions with some qualifying statement that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a lowlife who doesn't deserve to breathe the air God provides, then yes, I call that hate speech.

When did it become against the law to disagree with you or Kevin Jackson? When did you or Jackson or Gardner become the final word on any issue? I realize it's your blog, I just didn't realize that you were only interested in opinions which agree with your premise and conclusion.

Genocide is defined as "The systematic killing of, or a program of action intended to destroy, a whole national or ethnic group."

According to your figures Blacks make up 36% of abortions. This is far from the destruction of an entire race. What percentage of abortions are performed on Whites? Or Hispanics? Unless you are prepared to argue that the intent of abortion is to wipe out an entire race then your use of the word "genocide" is incorrect, misleading, and inflammatory. But I suspect you already knew that. Never let the truth get in the way of hate speech, eh Ken.

This has always been the problem with the Republican mantra that demands that every life is sacred. They only feel the need to protect the fetus until it actually pops out of the womb, then its on its own. No welfare to help single mom support the child. No free lunch programs to help feed the child. No "robin hood" program to insure the child gets a fair chance at a good education. No affirmative action to help the child get a higher education or a decent job.

The reality is that the Republican plan is to force the poor to have more babies which will keep them poor trying to support the additional children and force young, struggling parents to have that child with a birth defect so that they can work all their lives just to cover the medical bills and home care. These are your only options if abortion is illegal. Unless you are rich (which most Republican movers and shakers are). Then you can send little Muffy to europe for an extended vacation (and abortion) without being burdened by the "no abortion" laws.

Its good to be at the top.

define genocide, Kenneth. Forced destruction? How is any abortion forced?

You're right. People bellyache about abortions but nobody wants to pay the taxes to support even healthy kids. If they are defective or addicted they will cost unbelievable amounts of money. They will always be a burden on the taxpayers, either as patients in mental or physical care facilities or as prison inmates and the carnage caused by violent crimes. Abortions would be much preferable before there are bad consequenses from the kid being born.

OK, You folks can not have it both ways. Out of one side of your mouths you scream personnel responsibility. You say stop taking from us hard working folks and give it to the poor. Look astonished why prisons are brimming with minorities who mostly come from dysfunctional families. But yet when a pregnant woman makes the decision that she does not have the resources within or from with out- that another child will anchor her to a horrible relationship, or yet another child will insure the children she has will suffer without basics or hope for college and the like. None of this magical honey pot that will sweep in and help them because in reality the honey pot does not exists. Nor the wonderful world of shoulda - the father shoulda stayed, the mother should have exercised self control or been on birth control as yet again wish in one hand want in the other it didn't happen now what ? Will Obama care pay for the delivery - pay for neonatal intensive care if the baby is ill or addicted ? Will you pay the million dollars to take a special needs child from cradle to grave ? I want only one question answered either yes are no - if you get your wish will you pay what ever taxes it takes to educate and care for these millions of children needs are met once they are born at your insistence ? No other answer of mom should get three jobs and dad should become magically responsable that is fantasy. What ever it takes to care for them or not ? Yes or No ?