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I come here to greet you and agree..... The Supreme Court legislation that allowed corporations to be treated as individuals was an open door for the 1,900 lobbying firms and their 11,000 lobbyist. Hey, that means that every legislator can have 22 lobbyist with retainers fees that start at $30,000 a month.
I don't think we need polls any more since Exxon,BP, Wall Street etc.. Can buy their politician of choice.
Waywardwind was worried about gun rights; I forgot to tell him that, the NRA will see that he gets all the best "gun advocate" legislators;money can buy.
All polling data, is susceptible to the prejudices and bias of the poll taker. The problem with polls today, is integrity. America, partly because of mainstream media, is sufficiently polarized to put in question all data.
Whether it’s because of personal agenda’s or corruption, private and public polls, are by and large misleading.
Even when they are right, their information is skewed in the interpretation by so called, “experts”. This period in American history, may go down as the “Age of Political Radicals and Corporate Fascist”, beginning with the passage of the Patriot Act.
However, roots can be found in the Supreme Court, with the expansion of imminent domain laws in favor of force accusation of private property for “corporate entities”.
The final crux of this stage, could also be said to have it’s roots in the courts, with the expansion of corporate donations to political candidates.
Polls are generally made by corporate entities, they can take (through local government cooperation in the use of imminent domain laws) anyone’s property, they can elect (through unlimited financial donations) any candidate, and they have been manipulating what you believe (through polls).
Do you really want to talk about polls, because that is the final nail in the coffin, in the “corporate states” ability to controlling what is left of America, “your capacity to think“.
To my “detractors”, prove me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, I dare you!
Mike, it's good to know you are OK with voter fraud and crooked elections - I feel so much better :(
You are using a John Fund article as a source?... Why not add a Dick Morriss article? Although John Fund has written a book about voter fraud , some sources criticize him because he did not write about Karl Rove politicizing the Justice Dept because they only targeted democrats for voter fraud. Some were fired because they refused.
Voter intimidation, voter fraud has been around forever, but I'm not going to get all excited just because Fox News decided to sensationalize a case because it involved our current Atty. general. Fox remained quiet when the Bush Atty. general Michael Muskasey refused to indict Karl Rove for a ignoring a congressional subpoena about voting fraud.... After while, I think the general public gets anmmuned to the shenanigans of both parties.
WND? Naw, I became suspicious reading stuff like this in the WSJ that radical right wing rag. This is part of an article talking about the Scott Brown election - apparently I'm not alone in my thoughts on the Democrats and ACORN or whatever their new name is.
"That doesn't mean voters aren't suspicious of electoral fraud in a machine state like Massachusetts. Public Policy Polling, a firm with Democratic connections, included a question over the weekend about the infamous left-wing voter registration group ACORN, which has been linked to fraudulent activities in many states and several of whose members have been sent to jail.
When asked whether "ACORN will try to steal the election for Martha Coakley," a surprising 25% of those surveyed in Massachusetts said "yes." A total of 38% said "no," and another 37% weren't sure. Lest you think concern about ACORN was limited to Republicans, one out of six Democrats thought ACORN would attempt electoral hanky-panky. One out of four African-Americans expressed the same concern, along with the same number of voters who called themselves moderates.
Both parties have concerns about vote fraud or intimidation in today's election. Hundreds of lawyers and observers have been deployed at key polling places. But it's likely to be a relatively quiet election from a litigation angle unless the final margin is razor-thin. The Brown surge came so suddenly there was no time to plan anything devious beyond the usual negative commercials -- which in this race ran everywhere, including, for the first time in anyone's memory, The Weather Channel."
I don't know that's your conspiracy and bogeyman..Perhaps, you can find your answer at WND.
But you have to wonder how many "ACORN voters" voted for Angle in the primary. She kind of blew away the field with very limited resources - this has an unsavory odor about it.
RollingstoneI have known for two months that the Harry Reid (ala Hardball) campaign was more less choosing their opponent. A brilliant strategy, because he knew his opponents and their hard right stances. He's been in Nevada long enough to know, a far right winger will not win in that state.
No one told Sue Lowden to use the" chickens for medical payment" talking point, that was her own choosing and any opponent worth their salt would exploit it. That's politics...Sharron Angle is a certified wing nut that has a lot of issues and statements to walk back. She only has about $132,000 to Reids nine million dollars but Senator Reid cannot put her away.... That was my whole point,Harry Reid was very vulnerable; yet the TEA PARTY GOP candidate gives him new life.
Harry Reid had a hand in shaping who his opponent was going to be and his poll numbers - from the Nevada Sun:
"Angle’s victory represents a sort of coup for Team Reid, which plotted a years-long strategy to shape Nevada’s electoral landscape, necessitated in part by the senator’s low approval ratings.
Most recently, his campaign played an active role in the GOP primary, hammering away on one-time front-runner Sue Lowden. The relentless attacks, compounded by the candidate’s own gaffes, caused a steep slide for Lowden, a former state senator and Nevada Republican Party chairwoman who had argued that she was the most competitive contender against Reid.
'We clearly see his fingerprints and meddling throughout our Republican primary,” said Robert Uithoven, Lowden’s campaign manager said of Reid.'"
The article went on to say that Reid operatives tracked Lowden the strongest Republican candidate to catch and record any gaffes and gotcha moments that she made in order to destroy her, which they did. This opened the way for Sharron Angle a weaker opponent who will receive the same treatment.
Yea, curiosity has not overcome my laziness yet, but I'm not ashamed to say I've heard the method Rasmussen uses ,explained, but it went way over my head...As Observer stated ;they put a lot of weight on likely voters.
I think Rasmussen is the only national polling company following the Texas governor's race; I'm sure others will as the election gets closer. They have the two candidates tied at 42%... I guess I can believe that because according to this morning's paper, it's been alleged that the GOP has paid the entry fee and for the in petition drive to get the Green Party on the ballot. I guess governor Perry's internal polling is pretty much in line with Rasmussen.
Due to old habits, I'll probably have to RE bookmark some polling sites, after Labor Day.
MikeI agree with your thoughts on polling. I look at polls on RCP and job approval of the President in particular. I think the question and how you ask it influences the result.Most polls on RCP have a yes/no ratio of around 91 percent with the balance being undecided. Rasmussen is different with a 99 percent yes/no ratio. Some day when I am more curious I will research this and try to figure out why the difference.
Excuse me, read the comments you brought up every topic that I commented on FIRST!
I 'm not objecting to you thinking you are somehow correcting some false statements..I am objecting to your nit picking, misinterpreting, and just trying to be annoying; to promote your ideology by continuing to try to change the topic...It’s not the first time.
I’m satisfied because I have received three good answers and some interesting questions, so far, from other posters.
Happy Independence Day weekend everyone...
I guess we see things differently because I believe there is a long distance of separation between some poster calling you on the phone and one doing actual exit polling...I think geography has a lot to do with it. The people of West Virginia were not shy about saying they were not ready to vote for a black president. They knew they were being televised...On your example, a person in Victoria will answer differently than one in Chicago, NY etc...IMO
As for your last question... Absolutely, I fought many friendly political battles being outnumbered but I was shocked to see how many people I worked with for years, showed up to see Bill Clinton wearing Hillary and Obama shirts. Where were they? As I have said many times, I have always been out-manned in my home town. On the other side, after I retired, I found that a lot of my friends were a lot further right than I thought they were...A lot of people minded their manners because they had that promotion in mind...Then again,I have worked in a free- for-all atmosphere but when I got to the good paying job,attitudes changed because being controversial was not recommended.
One more example, people act differently in church, than they will ten minutes after they leave.
My point,we are bound by our own restrictions.
Some of the polls will ask the same question worded differently to get the best results.
You are the one that make those false statements, I am just trying to correct your "facts."
I'm surprise you would object to that.
those subjects may not be sensitive to pundits, newspaper reporters or editors, but i think they are pretty sensitive to the everyday American. whom is being polled.
ask a stranger off of the street what they think about immigration and you'll get an ear full, are they giving you their true feelings or just recycled verbiage they heard on the way to the store or while cooking dinner?
i find that it takes a little more than a few minutes and some carefully worded questions to get to the real meat and potatoes. have you ever had a friend that you've known for years, reveal their view on something that you never knew?
RollingstoneThis blog is about polling data not about "gloom & doom" infomercials.
Bing,bing,bing..."I have a idea" why don't write a blog,cut & paste all your comments for the last 18 months...It shouldn't be that hard..:-)
I think many use the likely voter or registered vote and those distinctions. Although Rasmussen leans right;it was right on the mark the last two presidential elections. ...It is as reliable as Gallup but IMO an average of the two tends to be more accurate.
I guess to each their own and I don't discount the findings of Rasmussen but it's hard to decipher their surveys,poll gathering methods etc.
In 2009 federal revenues were about 15% of GDP and outlays were 25%, I admit taxes are low compared to outlays, a slow economy had something to do with that. But you missed the point - taxes are going up.
They are already high on corporations and they are going up. Each gargantuan bill passed by Congress is raising taxes on businesses. This is slowing hiring and investment - apparently you were sleeping in class.
These tremendous deficits are a dark cloud over our economy, because everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop - we all know what's coming except for you socialisties.
The only polling firm that seems to be right on the money most of the time is Rasmussen. That may be because they only poll likely voters.
holein1I tend to agree, since more people claim to be moderates, than identifying with a political party or ideology. Some lie just to get along in the workplace or don't want to be seen as controversial. Then we have the " what ever" crowd.
I don't know how sensitive the subjects you named are because I hear 'em discussed on television every day and our own newspaper will print their viewpoints on some of those subjects. The media tends to shy away from subjects they don't think their viewers will be interested in...IMO
I think people are probably more apt to lie about their true feelings or thoughts. Especially when it's something as sensitive as politics, race relations, immigration, religion, etc.
Amid complaints about high taxes and calls for a smaller government, Americans paid their lowest level of taxes last year since Harry Truman's presidency, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data found.http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/t...
In a nutshell That's what you Ron Paulities refer to.
Franklin Roosevelt number one, snort what a joke!
Sorry about questioning you Mike, I...uh, must have lost my head for a second there. But I do have to question you again about Truman's tax rates. The lower tax rate was about 22% and the top rate was a laughable 90% during Truman's reign.
But I was really not referring so much to individual tax rates as I was referring to marginal tax rates on corporations and businesses, which are the highest in the industrialized world.
In addition the tax rates on capital gains and dividends are poised to explode thanks to the liberal socialists idiots that are now in power. This is pretty much stopping investment - you remember Mike don't you, that we need investment to create jobs. Maybe you were sleeping in class when they discussed that.
And finally another job killer are these two and three thousands page laws they are passing that increase all taxes particularly payroll taxes and they produce an avalanche of new regulations. The most ridiculous of course being the so-called financial reform bill, the infamous Frank n, Dodd Bill.
That particular law will pretty much wipe out small community banks and do nothing, yes nothing to prevent future bailouts and panics. In fact it almost guarantees them - now is that stupid or what? No wonder corporations are leaving they're not stupid, you know.
All this crap is killing our economy and jobs - new stimulus package anyone? Yeah right that's the ticket.
I've actually considered that, even with exit polling .
When the screen shows Gallup, Nielsen , and or some other polling company, I have that option of answering them truthfully as I can, or just let it ring. If I decide to take the time to answer, I will answer as truthfully as I can. I guess I'm different, or maybe I'm just too slow to be devious. ;-)
Mike...Maybe one problem with polling accuracy is ornery people like me who, when asked, will lie through our teeth. Maybe there are getting to be more like me -- sheesh! there's a spooky thought!
Speaking of polls...I'm back to liking polls..:-),,Not really but this is interesting.
A group of presidential scholars has ranked President Obama as the 15th best U.S. president of all time, a new survey shows, while his predecessor, President George W. Bush, is relegated to the bottom five.
Mr. Obama also has an advantage in the rankings over President Ronald Reagan, who came in 18th, but President Bill Clinton beats them both in 13th place.
The Siena College Research Institute's Survey of U.S. Presidents, which has been conducted five times since 1982, asked 238 presidential scholars to rank the 43 U.S. presidents on a number of characteristics.
The presidents were given rankings for six personal attributes (background, imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck and willingness to take risks), five forms of ability (compromising, executive, leadership, communication and overall), and eight areas of accomplishment (economic, other domestic affairs, working with Congress, party leadership, Supreme Court appointments, executive branch appointments, avoiding mistakes and foreign policy).
President Franklin D. Roosevelt was ranked the best president ever, followed by Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-503544_16...
While this was supposed to be a questioning blog about poll data, I didn't think it would be controversial since, I merely asked a question and didn't think I would have to answer a metaphor.
The one sentence in question all had to do with how we calculate inventory to purchase orders of old. We all know car manufacturing is down and we cannot compete with a country that has four times our population and pays 1/10 of the wages. We lost over 40,000 factory's since the year 2001 and that's not counting companies thinking about shifting their jobs overseas. I was merely trying to state that we cannot use the same economic model we have used for forecasting ,way back in the 90s.
BTW you're using outdated data because Last year, according to IHS, goods output by the US totaled $1,717bn, ahead of China at $1,608bn but the United States will lose its 110 year reign as number one to China, not because of taxation which is at its lowest point since the Harry Truman era or regulation. It's all about cheap labor and the bottom line. Yes U.S. corporations want zero taxation and no regulation but they will still ship their jobs overseas for a better bottom line. Shall I say Cayman islands?
The the polls don't account for statements like Michael Steele saying " Afghanistan was a war of Obama's choosing" and John Boehner saying finance reform was like " "killing an ant with a nuclear weapon.".... Just when you everyone had the democrats down because of a bad economy, along comes Joe Barton, John Boehner, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, Michael Steele and newly crowned wing nut Sharron Angle.
But again this is about polls.
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More than half of Nevadans are unhappy with Sen. Harry Reid, according to a new poll commissioned by the Las Vegas Review-Journal. It’s the worst “unfavorable” rating he’s received in the newspaper’s surveys for this year’s election, and it comes amid quiet speculation — or perhaps wishful thinking by his opponents — that it’s time for the Nevada Democrat to retire rather than lose re-election.
In response, Reid told the Review-Journal Friday he wouldn’t consider stepping aside as did Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, whose announcement this week prompted rumors that the Senate majority leader might think about ending his political career now that he’s the most vulnerable incumbent.
“I am absolutely running for re-election,” said Reid, 70, in a statement. “These are difficult times for Nevada and as the majority leader of the Senate I have been able to take action to address those challenges. But I know there is more work to do to turn our state’s economy around and create jobs and I am committed to seeing it through.”
"we no longer have a strong manufacturing base." Really?
According to the latest United Nations Statistics data (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/snaama/dnl...) the United States is the largest manufacturing nation, with an output of approximately $1.83 Trillion. This is followed by China at $1.79T, with these two nations far outstripping any other nations (Japan $1.05T, Germany $767B and Italy $381B). The rate of growth in manufacturing in China far outstrips that of the US, with its manufacturing industry growing more than an order of magnitude in the last two decades, during which the US has not even doubled its output.
According to the Department of Labor (sourcing the United Nations United Nations, National Accounts Main Aggregates Database, http://unstats.un.org/) citing 2005 data the U.S. accounts for 20.6% of the worlds manufacturing nearly 1.5 times that of the 2nd largest (Japan 13.3%) and over twice 3rd largest (Germany 8.2%).
This link has an explanation of the calculation methods and links to the charts showing the worlds top manufactures: http://www.dol.gov/asp/media/reports/...
Our industrial capacity, our economy is something we should try to protect and encourage, not try to destroy with over regulation and taxes - just a thought.