After the Bachman-Pawlenty face off, I couldn't stand the Fox live presentation of the GOP presidential debate anymore, so I recorded the rest. I watched the rest of the debate this morning.
The presidential candidates were asked to show by raising their hands, to state that they wouldn't ever compromise, even if the ratio was $10.00 in spending cuts to $1.00 in revenues. I bet a smile came across Grover's face because all the candidates raised their hands, they all have been Grovernized. Grover Norquist has a lot of power.
"In 2004, Congress enacted the American Jobs Creation Act, which allowed overseas profits returned to the U.S. in 2005 to be taxed at a 5.25% effective tax rate. Will the U.S. government temporarily lower U.S. tax rates by 85% again, as it did in 2004, so those firms will bring roughly $565 billion of it home? No, at least not during the next two years, mainly because studies show the 2004 dividend repatriation didn't create many jobs here, and most of it went to buy back shares and to pay dividends. The Senate rejected it in early 2009. President Obama opposes it, and even if the Republicans take Congress, they won't have enough votes to overcome a Senate filibuster or a veto."
http://tinyurl.com/3o7wxdu
When ask about this, Herman Cain said" so what if it went back in dividends." That's the GOP mindset, corporations can do no wrong. Take that same scenario to the people on welfare and some would have those people limited to two children to stay eligible for public assistance. It doesn't matter to Herman Cain if we are cutting taxes to those corporations (redistributing the wealth) to line the pockets of the CEOs and shareholders. Mitt Romney said he would create bank accounts for the unemployed. I don't think the banks will set up free accounts, so what would be the advantage of those bank accounts. It's more money for the banks.
Many of the pundits thought that Michelle Bachmann did pretty well, but they were talking about style in appealing to the right wing evangelical tea party crowd. That's who she has to appeal to in order to win the Iowa straw poll. When the Fox commentator asked her about her position on not raising the debt ceiling, she stuck to her guns, not even addressing the fact that several analysts have reported how devastating it would've been on workers 401K's. She obviously doesn't know the basic math of our economic problems. As Rick Santorum, (I can't believe I'm quoting Rick Santorum) accurately stated “Our debt is comprised of 40% discretionary spending and 60% of it is entitlements, defense spending, and interest on the debt. By not raising the debt ceiling, we would have taken the cash route and no longer able to borrow 42 cents out of every dollar. We would eventually have to eliminate all the discretionary spending and about 2% of the entitlements, defense spending, and interest on the debt. Remember, tax increases are off the table and the top 2% are not asked to contribute as part of a shared sacrifice. You could mix it up, but it's still doesn't take away from the fact that Michelle Bachmann doesn't understand the basic principles. Her claim to fame is the" Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act" that was defeated. Michelle Bachmann might win Iowa, but she's not ready for prime time. I was not surprised that Michelle Bachmann did not know that the one credit-rating agency that downgraded us,did it because of our inability to solve our problem politically. Never mind, the credibility of that agency. Michelle Bachmann said that she could have our economy on the road to recovery in just one quarter by lowering the corporate rate and more tax cuts. What's wrong with this picture? The Obama administration passed 16 tax cuts and ~40% of the stimulus was, tax cuts, but we still have a demand problem. The Bush administration passed two major tax cuts but only 1.1 million were created in that duration. The Clinton administration raised taxes and about 22, million jobs were created. That makes a case for demand and not necessarily a tax rate. It's important to remember the goal. Tax cuts mean the inability to fund the entitlements and eventually eliminate them.
The foreign policy (as little as it was) was pretty dull except for the exchange between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. I thought Ron Paul got the best of that because he correctly said the trouble with Iran started in 1953 with the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Mitt Romney likes to use the GOP line of listening to his generals, but he will quickly find out that some of those generals are willing to fight endless wars and rack up billions in costs. There are some generals that believe in nation building, but we need to do a lot of that back here in the United States.
The social issues were as crazy as ever ,because Herman Cain still fears Sharia law being used in United States and Newt Gingrich and would make everyone sign a loyalty pledge. What is it with all these pledges? Does Newt really think that if a terrorist who wanted to work in his administration would be bound by that pledge? Rick Santorum thinks that if states are given as much right as Ron Paul wants them to have; they might choose to make polygamy legal.
It was just another early Republican debate where the emphasis was on corporate tax cuts, spending cuts and very little about jobs and growth; unless you think austerity only and tax cuts will promote growth.
I'm just a democrat,what do I know but I know in this weak economy the president is vulnerable and it's probably a good time to recruit a Chris Christie or a Jeb Bush. I don't know what a Rick Perry will do in a debate because he hasn't had to do much of that as governor.
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BOsinks.
August 13, 2011 at 11:42 p.m.All of the GOPe’rs expect for Herman Cain is better than Barack Obama? MMMMMMMM what makes you say that? Why not Herman Cain?
Legion357
August 13, 2011 at 11:34 p.m.You are right. The 2008 Presidential election produced something that is rare. Let’s count every election without a sitting President, VP, or Sec of State. 1952, 1928, 1920, 1884, 1880, and 1896 elections produce Presidents that wouldn’t be elected in the first place especially the 1884 & 1920 race.
Legion you confuse me....Who is comparing 2008 to 2012?
August 13, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.The 2008 Presidential election was different from all the rest, at least as far as I could find out. Google search for "How many times has the vp not ran for president" turned up zero results.
The last election was wide open for both parties,a rare occurrence.
To compare a re-election bid of a setting President in 2012 to the 2008 Presidential election is the old apples to oranges thing.
In no way can you compare a wide open field of candidates of both political parties to a re-election of a setting President comparable.
August 13, 2011 at 6:04 p.m.That's just an opinion certainly not a fact....Besides,president Obama actually won the presidency with 69 million votes..Many on that stage will never hear the words "good morning madam president or Mr. President"... Bachmann just won the Ames straw poll and Paul came in second..Small victories..lol
August 13, 2011 at 5:58 p.m.Say what you want about the field, but all of them with the exception of Cain are more qualified for the office than BO was and is today.
August 13, 2011 at 5:40 p.m.woofwoof-
Paul was articulate and focused in May of this year as your youtube link shows.
Mike-
Paul was confused and perplexed Thursday night at the notion that an incoming GOP President would still have to contend with a divided Congress. Even if Obama is removed from the equation many constants will remain and there's lots of problems that "cut spending and no new taxes" won't answer.
What's funny to me is that with the animus between Bush & Perry it is likely that the Dems will portray Perry as Bush 2.0. The notion that the country craves yet another Texas Governor, given the last one's legacy, indicates a cognitive dissonance that amazes me.
vet43-
No need for mud. Between the TransTexas Corridor land grab, mandatory STD vaccinations for teenage girls, and a "good for bidness" immigration policy the Governor's conservative credentials may be suspect in a lot of quarters.
Probably no time will be left for talk of opportunistic party switching flip flopping and public park coyote shooting.
Even so I anticipate lots of laughs as the season progresses.
August 13, 2011 at 4:02 p.m.Take a deep breath and watch the complete youtube link like you said you did. He did win the CPAC poll this year which makes your 2008 numbers meaningless. Is the tingles running up your leg gone yet?
August 13, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.vet43
That's the answer it's not about more or less government; it's about an efficient government. We all know that bureaucracy is terrible but bare bones government cannot operate efficiently. It's always about that happy medium.
As for the Tea Party; I think established moderate republicans are having buyer's remorse.
August 13, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.Perception is not something you can take away with YouTube... You may have that star gazed look when you see a Ron Paul comment but the proof is in the pudding. He only got 42 delegates in the 2008 campaign.
The link you provided was about Afghanistan but I was talking about when he was asked about a piece of legislation they could pass the house of representatives and the senate.... I bet you didn't think I would check your source.
He might win the Ames poll because he wins all the insignificant polls but he'll never be president. Ron Paul and Hermann Cain are racking up the CPAC, southern delegates straw polls etc. but it doesn't mean anything because in the country is not right wing, libertarian, conservative, liberal or anything else.It's a combination of all and until you realize that, you have to settle for 42 delegates.
August 13, 2011 at 1:38 p.m.Mike,
I have the felling that as the vetting goes on the Tea Party will go nuts trying who to attack. The candidates are all over the map on the TP's hot buttons. Maybe some of us folks that would like a government with some common sense will find a light at the end of the tunnel.
August 13, 2011 at 1:36 p.m.Again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMmVwW...
August 13, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.Vet43
The subject of Rick Perry's campaign donations will be an interesting one. Dave Slater of the Dallas Morning News said Karl Rowe and the Bush family don't like Governor Rick Perry. Rick Perry has received money from Bob Perry (no relation) a real estate developer who gave $4.5 million to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" campaign in 2004 Kerry v Bush campaign for his gubernatorial runs. Another is Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons who is developing a disposal site in West Texas for low-level radioactive waste. That might be the reason he is a vocal opponent of the EPA.
I believe Karl Rove and the Bush family are supporting Mitt Romney, so it's going to be interesting how the political money is distributed in the republican campaign. Texas is known to be a mecca for political cash from big oil and gas. The Koch brothers are after the same favorable environmental legislation.
August 13, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.In case someone wants the truth, here is what Congressman Paul said in the debate. No old looking, no deer in the headlights, young people love him, it's all about America and what the Constitution says, remember.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMmVwW8h4Ho
August 13, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.lol.... Michelle Bachmann is probably the least credible candidate since Sarah Palin.....Michelle makes a fact check meter explode. She lies and then she doubles down on the lie. i.e. Michelle Bachmann said “I voted against raising the debt limit because I didn't want to give Barack Obama a $2.4 trillion BLANK CHECK... That's a classic oxymoron, how can you give someone a blank check with numbers attached to it. Everyone should know that raising the debt limit is just a message to our creditors that we would continue to pay the bills we made.... Anyone that's had an hour or two of civics or has read a book about civics knows that the president can only spend money Congress appropriates. For the umpteenth time, we don't have a monarchy. Michelle Bachmann is a big hit with low information voters. I think Pawlenty described her to a tee. If her rhetoric were bills that were made into laws, then she would have a record she could run on. Bachmann doesn't have the gravitas; Barack Obama did, to inspire 69 million people to vote for her.
It amused me when the moderator asked a couple of candidates about a solution they could come up with that would pass BOTH houses. I believe Ron Paul was the first recipient of that question. He quickly processed the question, but it looked like to me that he had a “deer in a headlight moment" because he couldn't come up with an answer. Herman Cain didn't even try, so we gave out his scripted laundry list of partisan ideas. Republicans just don't get it. They're not the only political party, the democrats and independents outnumber them. Their only chance is to peel off some of them. That was one of the best questions because the GOP keeps bragging about passing bills but it’s only in the house they control.
The Republican Party has two messages. Debt is the number one problem and no taxes is the other. Good luck with that message because the polls show that in about 66% want to raise taxes on the top 2%, and that's same number think that jobs and the economy are more important than the debt.. People do not want Medicare privatized. This country is not right wing or left wing; it's smack dab in the middle.
The politics of hate won't carry the day in the upcoming presidential election. In 1992 campaign, James Carville knew President George H.W. Bush had just liberated Kuwait; in fact at one time his approval record was at 75%. What did he do? He changed the message because at that time the country was suffering from a bad economy, so he coined the winning message “its economy stupid.".. A little known Arkansas governor seized the opportunity to feel the people's pain and with a help one Ross Perot, he became president of United States.
August 13, 2011 at 12:37 p.m.Watched the whole debate and thought Romney looked very mechanical. He is the prototype career politician that will not get support from me and other independents.
Paul made good points, especially about getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and using troops to protect our border, but he also looked old and tired and will not attract young voters.
Pawlenty and Santorum are clones of the right-wing establishment. Cain is personable, but he has no knowledge of foreign policy. He would be more beneficial as an adviser in economic policies.
Gingrich's whining about the "gotcha" questions is typical of his juvenile personality.
Bachmann would be a strong VP candidate. Unlike Palin, she has a little substance.
Perry will have to distance himself from Romney by appealing more to the right without going overboard. If he can find convince voters he is a centrist in the party, he could beat BO with Bachmann appealing to the far right as his VP.
One thing I would like to see is the media calling out BO with tough questions like it posed to the candidates at the debate.
August 13, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.The vetting process is going to sell alot of newspapers and TV air time. As dry as it is I wonder where they will find the mud.
August 12, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.Yup.
August 12, 2011 at 8:25 p.m.gansoblanco
Is this the one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CvXI...
August 12, 2011 at 4:17 p.m.The DPS dashcam of the boy from Paint Creek is the ad I'm waiting for.
The GOP nomination process is already good and should be great entertainment before it is over.
August 12, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.arlewill
Thanks fo your opinion...Just for fun let's see where we agree or disagree...No right or wrongs ;just opinions.
While I agree that Pawlenty " Rick Lazio"moment didn't help his chances in Iowa because it was definitely a Bachmann's crowd but he may have wounded Bachmann for Perry and and Romney because she will be fact checked.... He might be auditioning for VP. He didn't go after Romney.
I think Newt Gingrich is barely holding on but he can't run away from his outrageous statements.
I don't think Herman Cain has any depth.
Mitt Romney does really good in debates but he will never appeal to the republican base. He does know economics' but he's more of a moderate, that's why he doesn't look comfortable.
Bachmann will only appeal to those that care about tea party and social issues. That crowd does not really care what she knows about domestic or foreign policy.
Last night may be the last we hear from Rick Santorum 'cause he doesn't have enough money to continue much longer.
I thought Jon Huntsman was very uncomfortable last night because he's not a tea party type candidate. He is a moderate.
Ron Paul is a libertarian running in the republican party, that's the reason he only got 42 delegates last year.
I read about Perry's upbringing in the Houston Chronicle.It was when he was running against Bill White. He just announced yesterday and all of this and other things will come out. No candidate escapes the scrutiny of the press. Remember, President George Bush's DWI came out on the last day of the election in. Bill Clinton's bimbo eruption came out before the 1992 election.
Like as said, every man on the republican super committee has signed a pledge not to raise taxes and so has every presidential candidate. Some people might wanna know about a background but all I wanna know is how they will govern.
BTW thought you would like to know:The new issue of Texas Monthly, soon to be on newsstands, is themed "Where I'm From," and it's filled with pols, CEOs, musicians, etc. telling their favorite stories of growing up in Texas. This being an gubernatorial election year, both major-party candidates at the top of the ticket got their swing at the nostalgia whiffleball. First up, Rick Perry, who revels in his Paint Creek upbringing, recalls his dad whipping him for letting the family chicke
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-pol...
August 12, 2011 at 2:32 p.m.Perry/Palin 2012! Start making the bumper stickers.
August 12, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.Mike
I watched the whole thing last night and my personal opinion is:
Pawlenty's stock went down
Newt Gingrich improved his stature
Herman Cain came across well
Mitt Romney did not hurt himself
Bachman held her ground
Ron Paul made me wonder how he has survived so many years
Rick Santorium lost ground
Huntsman gained momentum
It is too early for folks to decide whom to support but I thought the debate worthy of the process.
There is an article in the U.K. Telegraph today about the boy from Paint Creek, TX. This is a good read on the background of Governor Rick Perry, regardless of your politics. With all the media in this country, it is hard to believe this information has to come from a foreign country.
August 12, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.I imagine that the Obama team would do somersaults at the prospect of that..:-)
August 12, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.What if Perry wins the nomination. Picks Sarah Palin as a runnig mate. And they run on the Tea Party ticket!
They’ll become the democratic party of the 80s
August 12, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.What if Perry wins the nomination. Picks Sarah Palin as a runnig mate. And they run on the Tea Party ticket!
I have got to get an subscription to a real news paper!
August 12, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.LOL,Rick Perry's team also will downplay the importance of Saturday's Iowa Ames poll by making his first speech as a presidential candidate on the same day in South Carolina.....Sarah Palin's bus tour has started again in Iowa...lol
August 12, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.And that wiley perry stole the show by spilling the beans on what everybody knew. Really, who's talking about this debate more than perry's announcement as the media was lined up for this GOP presidential debate.
The picture (above) of these candidates gave me a Déjà vu moment. Could have sworn one these guys once sold me a pizza and the rest a jacket at Dillards.
August 12, 2011 at 11:21 a.m.