• From what I remember PP does provide many different brands/types of b/c. I don't know if they provide the monophasals since they are fairly new, I wouldn't think they would, IMO monophasals are a luxury as you can get the same benefits from the triphasals that you get from the monos, you just need 3 months supply at a time. I do know PP provides the injection as well. I am sure PP is not as overwhelmed as any other clinic that provides medical services at no or low cost.....overwhelmed is relative.

    March 5, 2012 at 11:03 p.m.

  • VBB
    I never stated that I was the only one allowed because it's perfectly obvious that I am not but let's put that aside and reread my post and put it in proper context.

    No,the HHS is making a ruling and someone who is totally unrelated to the subject is saying that the young lady was a slut...I'm pretty sure the Bishops,HHS and the insurance companies will reach some type of agreement neither through more negotiations or the courts...That's OK,with me....I'm all about compromise but as always,all sides will take their best shots.

    For the record the HHS believes providing free contraception will relieve the insurance companies of the extra costs of unwanted pregnancies and as you know,the church thinks in one way or the other they will pay for something they believe is morally wrong and violate the "religious  conscience exemption" they have always had.

    March 5, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.

  • I'm going bring up a statement that Miss Fluke made at the hearing. She said that PP was swamped with people trying to get contraceptives for both birth control and other medical necessities, to the point that PP were having a hard time keeping up with demand. Now, take that and multiply by a very huge X factor if insurance companies stopped covering bc pills. Then, imagine what would happen if PP was defunded on top of that? See where I'm going here?
    Add that to the fact that all bc pills are not created equal and every woman needs her own prescription that meets her needs and works with her system. Does PP make every type available?

    March 5, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.

  • So, only you are allowed to make assumptions.....I see how it is. What I want is a truely HONEST side says there are NO other options except for ALL insurance companies to cover, others say anybody who uses b/c is a slut.....and as it turns out, neither side is right, neither assumption is true. Why can't there be a happy medium? Why does it always have to be all or nothing? This world would be a lot better, people would be a lot happier & everybody could be pleased if there were choices instead of the all or nothing attitude that is so prevalant these days. My way or the highway isn't the best solution & both sides would fare much better in public opinion if they could learn to compromise so they can accomplish something that would make everybody happy. Like I have said from the very beginning, I don't care one way or another, but I don't understand why it's not covered by insurance. I could swear that I have had insurance that has covered it in the past, I think Military insurance covers it, I really wouldn't have issues at all with Medicaid covering it, in fact I wish they would. I just want the lies & misleading information to stop, on both's getting old.

    March 5, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.

  • VBB
    You accuse me of making assumptions and then you make one about those that use PP.
    My main point was that the current issue is not about Title X....

    You took exception but others were judging these students as if they were welfare recipients but Georgetown does turn out successful graduates.

    I made my point that she was a witness and just made her case of wanting her insurance plan to cover contraception as HHS recommended...There's no reason for anyone to use another facility if her insurance company complies...The GOP is trying to defund PP ,so your solution might not be a permanent one.

    A lot of people pay taxes,I've been retired for 10 years and I still pay taxes on 85% of my S.S. benefits but it's a necessary evil...Some complain,others don't.

    March 5, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.

  • Mike, you miss my point.....people are saying poor people can't afford birth control pills, for whatever they are being used for, because they aren't covered by insurance. I was merely pointing out that Planned Parenthood DOES provide free or reduced cost b/c pills. I don't give a rats arse how much that girl is going to make when she graduates, that is a moot point. To say that she will make 10 x more than me, is an awful big assumption on your part & an elitist attitude IMO that you libs are known not such a big surprise to me. But it does lead back to what I was also saying, some people refuse to go to Planned Parenthood because they think they are too good & above the others that do take advantage of that service, which I then take exception. If you want something for nothing, you go to the place that already provides that something for nothing.

    To me it doesn't make sense for insurance companies to not cover them as, like I said, the old triphasals are cheap, definately cheaper than the alternative. Regardless, I don't see what the big deal is, except to the religious businesses that would be forced to provide this product that is against their religion.

    Oh & BTW, I am the man behind the tree paying for everyones wants & needs....there also happens to be a big ole knothole in said tree & I keep getting poked, without being kissed. I'm really getting tired of that.

    March 5, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.

  • I really don't think anyone would be saying a thing about this if it just had to do with pregnancy prevention. I really don't think that should be a free thing either, since there are places to go to them at a reduced price, or even free.
    But, when it comes to the other uses of the pill, women are going to have a hard time trying to prove to insurance companies that it is not about contraception.
    It becomes an issue when women have to defend their use to someone in the church, insurance company, drug store personell, boss,,etc. Her medical issues should not be between anyone except her doctor and herself.
    Now, if the insurance companies want to make doctors validate the perscription, then that takes the woman out of it and she should not be denied or harrassed after the doctor gives her the prescription.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.

  • Neighbor,I know conservative don't trust anything intangible because you can't measure unwanted pregnancies.

    I don't disagree that insurance companies are just paper shufflers but they could improve their bottom line with wellness programs and preventative care but the profits will be pushed to their shareholders and CEOs not to their policy holders...It works both ways.


    It's a matter of self discipline ,you were right and I was wrong but thanks.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.

  • Mike,

    I also read Ms Parker's editorial in today's Houston Chronicle and thought it was well reasoned and presented an accurate synopsis of the Rush Limbaugh debacle.

    We have heard some posters state with absolute confidence that Mr. Limbaugh's comments were much to do about nothing. We have also heard from those that Ms, Flukes personal sex life is open for their passing judgment on her moral center. We have to believe that Ms. Fluke is not related to these posters.

    In the final analysis it does come down to rather or not an insurance company or the employer will pay for the medication, (it is a medication), but could refuse to pay based on moral convictions rather than treat employees with respect and equal treatment without regard to that employee's religious belief.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.

  • His apology was nothing more than trying to get his azz out of hot water. He's a sensationalist and doesn't ever care who he drags through the mud if it helps his career along.
    In this case, he didn't realize who he was messing with. You just don't do that to the majority of women in the Country.

    Mike, you never need to apologize for your comments. It was your opinion, and I just don't take things personally.

    March 4, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.

  • I do not think insurance companies will make a dime from unwanted pregnancies. Those people would just continue to utilize the current access that they have now to contraceptives. I think the student's issue was the cost and who should pay. With the mandate, the insurance company will cut a check. However, it will be the policy holders that will pay. The insurance company is just a middle man, or book keeper if you will. The insurance company books X number of policy holders. The policy holders transfers the risk of potential financial loss to the company for a price. The good thing about being able to do this is that you know your damages during your policy period. If you know that your maximum out of pocket costs are $5000, you can lead your life with financial confidence knowing that a disaster is not going to bankrupt you. You have transferred your risk to the insurance company or book keeper. The insurance company or the book keeper determines their rates annually based on what costs they incurred from the previous year. Then a rate or premium is determined to cover the costs and then the book keeper is paid an administrative fee or what is called a profit.

    March 4, 2012 at 12:44 p.m.

  • Rush Limbaugh did apologize, if you wanna call it that,because he blamed the main stream media for blowing it out of proportion. He said he tried to call and email her to offer his apology but he could not do so ,so he left his apology on his web site. I can't blame Ms Fluke from blocking access to Rush, if she did that. He used the power of his microphone to insult the young lady, perhaps the better venue for an apology would be a press conference. After-all, I'm sure his apology did not have that anything to do with losing six sponsors and the fact many more are considering their options. At least he won't be talking about her in a negative way anymore or he loses any half ounce of self -respect he might have had.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.

  • After reading all the responses this morning, I asked myself “how did this discussion drift off to Planned Parenthood and to the locations in Victoria." The discussion was never about welfare, it was about a college student who represented other college students at the prestigious Georgetown University. When they graduate, those students will probably make 10 times more money than the posters who are directing their complaints at them. Georgetown University is a long way from Victoria and the argument is about private insurance companies paying for contraception. I know the word "free" will turn those on right into frenzy but not everything is about welfare. Human Health Service is in the opinion that insurance companies will benefit by not paying for unwanted pregnancies. Sandra Fluke was a witness in an unofficial congressional hearing, so for those of you that don't know what that encompasses; I will try to explain. Much like a court hearing, Congress will always invite witnesses to come forward and shed some light on a subject they are discussing. Witness usually comes from both sides of the issue. Congress will make the ultimate decision and the testimony of the witnesses might or might not sway them....For example, Medicare pays a portion of my insulin and for all my supplies...I might argue that they should continue providing free supplies but if my argument is defeated, I made I will live with the results, so I shouldn’t be demonized for trying to make my case..... There was a side argument about free contraception but those same people did not have any qualms about sterilizing welfare recipients who had multiple children. It's not so much the government or the cost; it's about preference. It's one of those," don't tax you, don't tax me, and tax the man behind a tree."...Title X is a subject totally unrelated to the subject at hand.

    I'm a fan of a moderate, pragmatic, conservative journalist named Kathleen Parker, who weighed in on this subject. Did I tell you that she's easy on the eyes..:0...Anyway, she said something that convinced me that I should apologize to born2Bme for taking her post out of context because as Kathleen said "Having access to contraception hasn't been controversial except in the Catholic Church for some time and wouldn't be now if not for the new mandate that nearly every employer offer insurance to pay for it. She qualified her statement by saying "For the record, if I were dictator, I'd put contraceptives in the drinking water on all college campuses. But the Catholic Church and other religious entities do not share my view, and our laws have always tried to allow generous exceptions to rules that conflict with moral principle." Born2Bme knows what I’m referring to.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.

  • I was a regular listener of Rush back when he would play audio clips or videos before he would argue with a person's ideology and use their words against them. He was mean, but it was always based on something they had said, and usually it was witty. It looks like he has moved from arguing ideology to attacking the person. He even insinuated that this woman was a prostitute saying, "she wants us to pay for her birth control pills...she wants us to pay her to have sex. What do you call a person who gets paid for sex?" That wasn't politics. It wasn't argument. It wasn't debate. It was an attack, and not even a witty attack. I'm glad I don't listen to Rush, now.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.

  • I wonder if his apology was sincere or if he did it to protect lives?

    Rush was a stand up guy in the beginning. The Dems were beside themselves looking for an answer to the Rush craze. Then he seemed to think the more outrageous his behavior and discussions the more people would tune in. They may have tuned in but it turned many off. He's been a little radical for my taste for more than a few years now.

    March 4, 2012 at 11 a.m.

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    March 4, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.

  • All is right in the universe. Rush Limbaugh has admitted he used the wrong choice of words to insult Ms. Fluke. It was just an attempt at humor. He is probably right. Three days with his foot in his mouth did make him a big joke.

    And coming from such a stand-up guy we can bet he is being sincere.

    March 4, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.

  • "Some times we want something so bad that after a while we are able to make ourselves believe that that is exactly what God wants to."

    :) Not going to say it

    March 3, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.

  • I am Baaackk! I wonder, we are so concerned birth control pills, after hearing some of you, maybe it would be better if we pushed for free blood pressure pills?

    Thanks Countrygal, I heard Laure Leslinger (a woman) years ago say that it is advisable to not put to much stock or allow yourself to be to hurt by comments that are made by a person when they are mad. I think that is good advice.


    I am glad if the Lord does speak to you, but you have been telling me to be quite for about 6 months or more. I would assume that you only recently heard from above that its time for me to shut up. Some times we want something so bad that after a while we are able to make ourselves believe that that is exactly what God wants to. Be careful, God will quite often give us the desires of our heart, & in the end be a great mistake. Ex; there was once a gold miner that had struck it rich, he was in the process of leaving the area with his riches & begin the good life. Un be known to him he had been watched by a man who knew he had struck it rich & was planing on killing him in the night & take his gold for himself. The unsuspecting gold miner had a faithful old dog. That dog barked his head off trying to warn his master. The man told his dog several times to shut up. The faithful old dog refused to shut up, desperately trying to warn his master & save his life. The man eventual shoot his dog in order to silence the very thing that could save his life. The miner who had struck it rich was soon murdered.

    EdithAnn you are so right about at least one thing, I do pray for you & the many others here. Writein sorry to hear you have been sick, its a terrible way to lose weight, seems like thats the only way I can lose weight sometimes.

    Mike, enjoy yourself in Corpus, I wish I could be there to.

    March 3, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.

  • Mike, when you cross that proverbial line, you better be able to defend it or there can be extremely dire consequences. And I believe that is what transpiered with Limbaugh. He must be having a hard time taking that shoe out of his mouth.

    March 3, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

  • Hey guys. Maybe we can set aside all our differences for a moment and say a prayer for all the victims of the recent tornadoes. Right now they sure could use them. There is a guest book on the obituary page that we can sign. It would be nice to have a lot of kind words come from the great people of Texas. Thanks!!

    March 3, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.

  • Victoria has Community Mother and Child clinic by Detar on Navarro and a UTMB branch in front of Citizens. Both offer contraception and well woman services.

    March 3, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.

  • Really, VBB?
    I didn't see that on the websites.

    March 3, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.

  • And, he basically called every woman that took birth control for "any" reason, and wanted it included in the Affordable Healthcare Act, sluts and whores and wanted to see them having sex. He also tried to speak for parents and said parents would be ashamed of their daughters.
    Do you have any idea what effect that has on young minds? This is not just about some stupid comment coming from a stupid guy.
    You have young boys just reaching their horny years, that hear that kind of trash, and just assume things about young girls and women. You have young women that hear that and don't want to be thought of in that way, so they ignore things about their bodies that shouldn't be ignored.

    March 3, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.

  • There are 2 places in Victoria

    March 3, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.

  • oh, I do remember her mentioning to the panel that if some people got their way, PP would be defunded and that option would be off the table.

    March 3, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.

  • I have no idea. I don't even know where they are from. Maybe there isn't one close enough to be cost effective with the gas prices. I looked up the ones closest to us and it is a pretty good drive to get to one. I also went to look if the medicine could be ordered, and it didn't look like it could be, but maybe I'm wrong.

    March 3, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.

  • isiti,

    The issue was Mr. Limbaugh's over the top rant. I have a problem with that lever of disrespect just to bring a few $'s in or impress a bunch of kolks that should be back under thier bridge polishing thier tin hats. Oh, and he want's more porn for his tax dollar.

    March 3, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.

  • Born, again PP offers FREE what is the problem?

    March 3, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.

  • Rebecca-

    An Irish Toast that might work--

    May those that love us, love us.
    For those that don’t love us,
    May God turn their hearts.
    And if he doesn’t turn their hearts,
    May he turn their ankles,
    So we’ll know them by their limping.

    March 3, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.

  • From what I understood her to mean, is that people, like her (not necessarily her), who are on public interest scholarships would have to work a full summer to pay for birth control, whether for actual birth control, or the medicine to treat other ailments.
    From that, "I assume" that they only work during the summer to earn the money to live on for the rest of the year, and/or they have part-time jobs during the school year. I'm sure that law students do not have much extra time to work during the school term. What she is basically saying is that that money is needed elsewhere.

    Here is what she said about her insurance

    "attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens."

    March 3, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.

  • 3k for contraceptives over the course of her college education....where is she getting the insurance that would cover her pills? Obviously she doesn't have a job that provides insurance because then she could cover the costs of her pills. Planned Parenthood provides FREE contraceptives, you just have to go to the PP site. Some people feel it is beneath them to go to PP because of the people that frequent that place & most are located in less than desirable parts of town. If one needs &/or desires contraceptives so badly then they DO have that option. I don't believe PP has restrictions on age, so if someone older requires conraceptive pills for other health related issues they too should be able to obtain them through PP. Victoria even has a PP, or at least they did in the 1980s.

    Most cell phone plans cost more than 3k over 8 yrs & yet it seems everyone can afford them.....just sayin. It's all about priorities.

    March 3, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.

  • I stand corrected on the $3000 a yr, I do apologize. What the heck is wrong with cut/paste of some facts? I think you can safely say this young female got caught-up in a Pelosi dog and pony show. But you would never admit that now would you?

    March 3, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.

  • AND " will know them by their love for one another..." (something like that)

    March 3, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.

  • The surface of a hot topic is where all the heat is. ;)

    March 3, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.

  • hugs and kisses to you too EdithAnn!!

    March 3, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.

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    March 3, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.

  • It's times like these that it is quite evident who actually does their own homework, and makes sure they know what they are talking about before they comment, as opposed to those who just hear something on tv, form their own biased opinion by what they hear, and runs with it.
    I posted the links to both the video and the full text, but did some of you go read and try to understand what she was saying? No, you just took the position that you hear on your favorite news channels and try to find links to justify their, er, your position.

    March 3, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.

  • I love you countrychic!

    March 3, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.

  • s/a know it all. she should run for office with all her "knowledge" .

    March 3, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.

  • Have a good weekend everyone,I'm going to Corpus Christi to recharge my batteries..There is just too much spin for me to handle....:-)

    March 3, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.

  • Thank you Jesus! It's a deal!

    It is no fun anyway, countrychic, to discuss stuff on this forum with folks who haven't bother to do anymore than scratch the surface of a hot topic!

    March 3, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.

  • Oh EdithAnn: stay out of your religion?? I don't know what religion it is but I can't see my God and Savior telling you to personally tell Gary to SHUT UP!! And post it for all to see. As I said before I do believe He speaks to us in different ways but for you to write that for all to see, I think it's pretty sad. Get off your high horse EdithAnn aka Good Christian Lady. I won't respond to anymore of your know it all posts and you do the same with me!!

    March 3, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.

  • Less cutting and pasting about a subject you know nothing about would be helpful..It would uncloud the mind allowing you to understand the statemnet "“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.”...That's 4 years of law school....$3000/4 equals to $750 a year in cost for contraception...that sounds reasonable.

    March 3, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.

  • No, No, NO. She said $3000 for the length of law school, which is about 4 years, or 8 if you count pre-law academics, and maybe more.
    You also have to add in the exam for attaining the pill and other devices. If I remember right, and it was a looooong time ago, I had to go to the doctor every year to get a new prescription. It may have changed by now, though.

    March 3, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.

    • Sixty-three percent of reproductive-age women who practice contraception use nonpermanent methods, including hormonal methods (such as the pill, patch, implant, injectable and vaginal ring), the IUD and condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male sterilization.[2]
    • Contraceptive choices vary markedly with age. For women younger than 30, the pill is the leading method. Among women aged 30 and older, more rely on sterilization.[2]


    • One-quarter of the more than 20 million American women who obtain contraceptive services from a medical provider receive care from a publicly funded family planning clinic.[5]

    • In 2008, 7.2 million women, including 1.8 million teenagers, received contraceptive services from publicly funded family planning clinics in the United States.[5]

    • Federal employees are guaranteed insurance coverage for contraceptives.[6]

    • Nine in 10 employer-based insurance plans cover a full range of prescription contraceptives, which is three times the proportion that did so just a decade ago.[7]

    • Twenty-seven states now have laws in place requiring insurers that cover prescription drugs in general to provide coverage for the full range of contraceptive drugs and devices approved by the Food and Drug Administration.[8]

    Data Sources

    The information in this fact sheet is the most current available. All of the data are from research conducted by the Guttmacher Institute and the National Center for Health Statistics or from Contraceptive Technology.

    I’ve noticed there hasn’t been any creditability established with this young woman on her so called facts about the $3,000 yearly cost. Let me remind you she claims to be a law student at one the most expensive law schools in this country.
    Female contraceptive cost:
    Pill around $50 a month.
    IUD, $1500 for the entire procedure.
    Implant, $500 for a 3yr.
    So where in heck did this $3000 figure come from or is it just another Nancy Pelosi fabrication?

    March 3, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.

  • Anyone that says" WE Catholics,democrats,republicans,conservatives,liberals,Christians,atheists or anything else where they are obviously not speaking for the masses are a little bit presumptuous. IMO

    March 3, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.

  • Women do vote! And they make a difference. And there are more women voters than men voters. All those folks who have spent this last year attacking women and women's rights like it was 1959 are going to see just how much power women do have come November. What we will see this election more than ever before is the influence of social media. It cannot be discounted! Stuff goes viral instantly, and it is there for posterity. Hard to duck and dodge that kind of exposure.

    But, well said, Mike!

    March 3, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.

  • Consider the source; that's good advice I use that as a standard every day. I use that when I consider the criticism by someone who needed their words to be seen so much, that they were banned for using multiple aliases. I don't pay much attention to those poster's criticism, because they don't have much credibility.

    I strayed from that standard yesterday because I inviting the response I got from Gary and then I criticized him for it..I was wrong,I should have stuck to the standard and left well enough alone.

    People have every right to dismiss Rush as "that's just Rush being Rush" while using folksy logic to say "nothing to see folks, move along" or better yet, "they did too." People also have the right to do the exact opposite.

    The pot has been boiling over for a long time, every since intrusive sonograms were imposed on women by states that have a GOP majority. They have also been angered by the audacity of having a congressional hearing on women's health issues without representation. Now, a shock jock uses the power of his golden microphone to intimidate, humiliate, and desecrate an innocent witness giving testimony contrary to his beliefs, just to get a belly laugh from his 20 million viewers a week. I can't blame women for wanting vindication, such as a large FCC fine, suspension, loss of advertisers' or a measly apology.... I wouldn't take the latter because he's going to do it again; that's what excites his listeners.

    When is enough...enough?

    Women vote!

    March 3, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.

  • countrychic--are you questioning whether God spoke to me about Gary? How presumptuous of you to think you know any thing about my relationship with my Lord and Savior!

    Just as I am sure Gary has been praying over me, I have been praying over him. God is harsh, when he needs to be. He is also merciful and gracious! Aren't we humans lucky he is!

    I don't believe I owe Gary an apology, well, except for calling him a slut maybe. But, let's be fair here--Gary agreed the woman was a slut because she had sex. Gary has mentioned that he has kids, so I figure he's had sex and by his definition, that would make him a slut.

    Tell you what, countrychic--you stay out of my religion, and I'll stay out of yours. Deal?

    March 3, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.

  • edithann aka good christian lady: God spoke to you and told you to tell Gary to shut up?? I believe that God does speak to us in his own way. what a shame that you joke about it. i think you owe someone an apology. like that will ever happen. anyway, everyone should stick to the real reasons for these posts and not throw in personal attacks or insults. didn't several of you say that in other posts?? oh right, that was because those "supposed" insults and attacks or difference of opinions were aimed toward you or your friends. please take your own advice!!

    March 3, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.

  • Jason, This is not much ado about nothing! You cannot be so ignorant that you cannot see that this whole discussion, going back several months, is about denying women basic health care. Contraception is just one part of a bigger program. Rush Limbaugh has taken it to a differnt level with his outrageous words! Asking the law student to post sex videos so he can watch!

    Jason, let's just agree--you are part of the problem and have no real interest in becoming part of the solution. That is clear and evident from your posts. That is a shame because there are many smart men who are stepping up to speak up for women they love and care about--their wives, daughters, sisters, mothers.

    But, hey, the longer folks like you keep talking nonsense, the better it will be in November. That Obama Reelection Committee just grew by one! Thanks!

    March 3, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.

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    March 3, 2012 at 4:30 a.m.

  • Yes, she mentioned herself, but in what context? I know what I see, but apparenty, you see something else.

    Much ado about nothing? I have a daughter that used the pill to treat other medical issues and I would not want some fat, ugly ba##### on tv calling her a slut and a whore because she stood up for herself on a public venue. If comments such as those are allowed to stand, then women, in general, begin to slowly lose their right to adequate female healthcare, one thing at a time.
    But, I have to give you some slack. You are a man and cannot begin to imagine what it is all about.
    No disrespect to other men that "get it"

    If you watched that clip entirely, then you learned that some women take the pill to protect their ability to have children in the future. This is so much more that a black and white issue. There are many, many shades of grey.

    March 3, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.

  • Well if someone wants "FREE" contraceptives, have them get off their rump and go find find the free contraceptives. Same with condoms and Viagra and whatever else they might want for free.

    So facts are important now but not when the advocate reports on something. Ok, ya'll try to keep me updated on when facts are proper and when they just really don't matter. Thanks in advance Mike.

    I bet there is one (PP) in Houston and San Anotnio, You could almost guarantee there is one in Corpus or the valley.

    Don't worry the women here are very emotional. Apethetic, not so much. They just don't run through the house flailing their arms and scream when someone like Rush says something about...oh yeah an "innocent victim".

    Yes I'm aware of the video was from a hearing, I saw Palosi and gang listening intently to the heartfelt speech directed only at saving victims of cancer or whatever problem a person wants to claim in order to get their care package.
    It was made abundantly clear that the mean nasty republicans had told her to ply her "get something for free" trade elsewhere.

    Dissect my posts all you want, read what you want and interpret it however you want. This is still much ado about nothing,

    Did you notice how Fluke mentioned herself in the speech or did you forget you said she didn't?

    Got to go put up the dishes see you all tomorrow.


    March 2, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.

  • Now Jasonbourne, lets look at this closer.

    “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary."
    It just says that she is on public interest scholarships and the $3000 cost to someone like her (someone on public interest scholarships) is almost an entire summer's salary. The contraception thing was the sentence that preceeded it. She may have been talking about herself and contraception, but maybe not. She did not say that it cost her $3000 for contraception. You are reading something into it that is not there.

    March 2, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.

  • Writein
    Sorry to hear that you have been sick;get better....I'll check back tomorrow,this old man is getting sleepy.

    March 2, 2012 at 11:04 p.m.

  • EA
    Shame on you for using facts;that's not fair.

    I was going to post that there are only 850 PLanned parenthood clinic in the U.S. and no,you can't divide the 850 by 50 and get how many there are in every state because 
    GOP governors are making it difficult for them to operate in their state....Some states do not have Planned Parenthood clinics.

    You did not give some enough info,they probably think the clip came from an amateur posting on YouTube thinking she was out for publicity They have no idea that it was taken from a congressional hearing...They are just looking for the clip and Rush has been blasting this poor student for three days.

    What's the old saying about opening their mouth and removing all doubt.

    March 2, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.

  • Jason,

    It does not surprise me that you report that the women of your family are apathetic. It does not surprise me that you think women should not have an opinion. It does not surprise me that you are defending Limbaugh.

    It's okay. I will stand up for women because it is the right thing to do. I will stand up for the respect of women because it is the right thing to do. I will stand up for women's health care because it is the right thing to do.

    Do you really believe this is just about a little pill? Really? If you do, it just shows your ignorance as to what is reality on the AHA. You ought to find out for yourself instead of listening to folks who don't like it. Funny how it was fine when it was a republican thing, but once our president got it passed nationwide, it's a bad thing.

    I wouldn't listen to a guy who doesn't even know how birth control pills work! He can tell you how oxycontin works and that it makes you go deaf, but he is clueless to the pill.

    Yes, Planned Parenthood provides contraceptives. So do private OB/GYNs and health clinics. So does HEB. And...? You don't even know where the closest Planned Parenthood clinic is!

    March 2, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.

  • Jason bourne.

    What color are your glasses? I bet it is rose colored. I do not want my tax money going into contraceptives, but at least there is something called class. The very substance Flush Limbfat, Anderw bieitbart or Glenn beck lacks. Even some of the local conservative hicks lack that as well. You can say someone could care less about a fat, druggie hate talk show host and his comment, but many write blogs defaming and guessing what the First Lady might have said in 10th anniversary of 9-11.

    Should I go there?

    Mr. Williams

    March 2, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.

  • Mike.

    I have been sick these past few days which allows me to listen to the enemy on the radio. I find it hypocritical that I am being casted as a bully by a so-called victim, when that so-called victim supported the casting of that woman as a slut. I know what a real one looks like and Sandra Fluke isn’t one. Now enough about that person here and Rush the drug addict Limbfart. There are much more important things to talk about.

    I have major dislike of Ronald Reagan and that rosy conservative outlook. My problem is that there is recycle of fail leadership. Clinton’s cabinet was drawn from Carters, Dubya’s from his daddy, Reagan, Nixon, and Ford. All I want is a reset button. America has enough college professors, CEO, small business owners, and smart gifted persons to lead the nation. I trusted those people instead of political hacks who wait every 4, 8, or even 12 years in Washington DC or Wall Street.

    Flush Limbfart is another example we need Media Reform in America.

    Mr. Williams

    March 2, 2012 at 10:16 p.m.

  • I have a problem with the media (and some here) making a big to do over nothing.

    The females in my family could care less what Rush Limbaugh says, or how terrible the media thinks he is. We're different here. We don't fall all over ourselves whenever a talk show host makes some absurd comment. Nor do we lose a lot of sleep over someone wanting something for nothing. We know democrats aren't going away any time soon.

    It's all about womens health, eh? Really?... Really?
    Is there such a thing as planned parenthood that already provides contraceptives?

    March 2, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.

  • And now we hear that Rush should not apologize because someone heard words in side the words the rest of us actually heard. My Wife, Daughters, Granddaughters, Granddaughter, Mother, Sister, Aunts, nieces and every female in this country are owed an apologize by Rush Limbaugh and every other supporter that licks that creeps feet.

    God help us all.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.

  • Since 99% of what we have heard about the contraception portion of the Affordable Healthcare Act is against it, why do you have a problem with one woman speaking out about her opinion on it? Did you have a problem with Darrell Issa's committee of men discussing it?

    Cut to the chase here--
    are you just being disagreeable to be disagreeable, or

    do you have a problem with women having and expressing an opinion or

    are you simply going to dog out anything you perceive to be from a Democrat, no matter what it is?

    March 2, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.

  • When you say "taxpayer money"it makes it a different subject.
    The Affordable Health Care Act is not a government program;it's run by private insurance companies under the rules agreed to under the act.

    The Catholic church is a strong proponent of the "religious conscience" and it is exempted but its school,hospitals,or charities are not,they come under the nonprofits. But this issue is not about Catholic church vs USA...The 450 bishops are negotiating for their cause and the WH made their compromise...As I see it.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.

  • You are right EA, I had only watched the clips... Now that I have watched the entire video I can consider my homework complete. Uggh, that was painful!

    From the video...
    “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.

    Hidden in there for no one to see or hear is the term "like me".

    Yes she spent a lot of the video talking about the sad affairs of her friends

    I don't care about Fluke any more than I care about Limbaugh. They are both trying to excite the crowds and they both have a different audience. My point is that none of you seem to recognize the medias efforts to turn this into the giant Rush picking on the innocent victim

    BTW, I was able to stop hating women long enough to clean the sinks, toilets, and microwave while my wife was out working late this evening.
    You have to know how I despise doing that womens work. No I don't need anyone to tell me how nice I am. I know I'm just another woman hating republican. Oh, I say all this with the pleasent hum of a fully loaded dishwasher in the background. I can't wait for my wife to return to enjoy more of my woman hating activities.

    and Rush Limbaugh doesn't need to apologize any more than Bill Maher needs to apologize.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.

  • I'm curious about something. I've tried to google this but keep coming up with just forums that discuss it, and that isn't facts, to me.
    Is Viagra paid for by our taxpayer money, in these insurance policies that the different religions accept, cause I sure don't want to pay for some man getting such a rise that he cannot take no for an answer.
    If the Catholic Church, and other religious affiliations, wants it all "natural", then it cannot condone invetro procedures, viagra, drugs or procedures that stimulate egg release, or increased sperm count. Lets just take any and all types of medical procedures out of baby-making, and let nature take it's course.
    Afterall, if God made women infertile, and men with less than is necessary, it should just be one of those acts of God and not to be messed with.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

  • Google..Think..Post

    Not supported by any facts....Ed Shultz was suspended by MSNBC after apologizing for insulting  Laura Ingram  ..CNN suspended Rowland Martin for a tweet and fired Sanchez for anti Semitic remarks just to name a few...and they didn't blame the right wing...President Obama apologized for his "cling  to their guns and religion"remark.

    Rush won't apologize because of the many blind loyalist who support him.

    March 2, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.

  • It's telling,right wingers just can't admit they are wrong without adding "well they did it too. ".....,I don't remember anyone from the left taking up for John Edwards or Anthony Weiner or saying the  look at the right wing....there  is not always a moral equivalency...It's individuals doing stupid things... 

    March 2, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.

  • [Channeling Dan Aykroyd]

    "Gary, you ignorant slut!"

    There are no 'ifs' to the deal, except IF you would listen to ANY reliable source, even FOX, you would have gotten the accurate information!

    You are hopeless. You will never have a clue. You should stop trying to comment when you have no idea what you are talking about.

    By the way, God told me to tell you this. Really, he did.

    Jason--do your homework before you comment! Fluke never mentioned herself int he context of the pills. Please already! At least google the got danged clip and see what was really said! You are starting to sound as ignorant as Gary.

    March 2, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.

  • ..................Whoosh.................

    Talk about cherry-picking facts. LOL

    March 2, 2012 at 8:20 p.m.

  • You know this issue reminds of a newspaper article I read in a El Paso newspaper when I was stationed there in 1967.    It seems like the good people were alarmed because Ft. Sill,OK was test firing missiles to White Sands NM...I don't remember all the details but I do remember that they had been doing for years.

    Same thing.

    Anyway,22 states had been operating under a similar "religious conscience clause"without any outcry but as soon as HHS announced their plans,the opportunist saw their opening....Most of this is about politics...Churches are exempt from the health care law but their hospitals,schools and charities are not,as it should be,,,This has already been challenged in the courts.....Now the individual mandate will get its day in court but the WH has already satisfied the head of Catholic Charities.

    March 2, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.

  • And Jason too.

    March 2, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.

  • Look Heavenward Gary, something just went right over your head... again.

    March 2, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

  • Was Rush over the top? Of course he was. Who cares? Well of course the democrats do. They hate Rush and I can understand why. Rush has made a living (like many here) of being hateful and disrespectful

    Now this Fluke girl... You are all using nice adjectives to make us feel like it's this giant Limbaugh army against this tiny little victim. You are right, she is a law student who knows exactly what she is doing. She wants us to pay so she can go have sex and save herself a few grand in a summer of sexual bliss. Hey Fluke drag yourself down to one of these family groups that will give you the pills you want so you can party all night long. Don't ask me to provide them for you.

    I think most of us can rise above the thought of some here that, "those horrible, mean, nasty, stupid men trying hold the innocent, beautiful, powerless, super smart women down".
    That is absolutely ridiculous!

    Folks, I don't want to pay for someone elses sexual fun times. If any of you try to say this is completely a uterin cancer or 'HEALTH" issue, you are a bit out of touch with what prize this fluke person has her eyes on.

    I checked on a couple of things so you can all feel good about your statements. Calling an innocent victim a slut or prostitute is an outrage. Calling some mean nasty stupid man a Drug addled gasbag is ok. LOL!

    Thanks Obama for calling this Fluke girl and making your point, that was good stuff and the dems will eat it up.

    Anyone check on Keith Olbermann lately... Oh thats right, he is on the side of the dems so he has never done anything wrong on one of his shows. Not to mention that no mainstream media source would ever put his hate filled blatherings in the news for us to see. LOL!

    If Bill Orielly did it, it would be news worthy. If Rush Limbaugh did it, it should have been expected.

    March 2, 2012 at 7:57 p.m.

  • EA
    I have something to say, but first let me pick myself off the floor, Ok, I am alright. Uheemmmm,

    If this women said what I think she said, then the whole nation should be offended at her blantent vulgarity. And also be prepared to accept the proper criticism for her low life type of lifestyle. If she just mentioned her concern about a friend then this discussion is unnecessary. Maybe she is just using a publicity stunt. I am not to concerned about the pills she wants for her friend, but if she is demanding that I pay for them, so that she can engage in lewd behavior then no I will object.

    March 2, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.

  • The young lady ,Sandra Fluke ,said that Rush Limbaugh may be the the biggest abuser but Glenn Beck and other right wing talk show hosts said the same thing about her....Let's see Rush has been married 4 tomes and no kids?just saying....

    Amen sister EA..

    March 2, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.

  • The sad part about this is that the young lady was not even talking about herself, and $3000 for the entire length of law school is not the same thing as the context in which Rush tried to frame it.
    How much is BC pills now days?

    March 2, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.

  • Cont-

    Now, that drug addled gasbag spokesperson and spiritual leader of the party that hates women, Rush Limbaugh, using his two little pea brains made not only horrendously hateful and disrespectful comments about Fluke, he made statements that are not even true!

    1. Fluke only spoke about her friend, not herself. No one boasted about anyone’s promiscuity.

    2. You just take 1 pill a day. Period. You can engage in sex 1 time a day or 100 times a day and you still just take 1 pill. So for the DAGB to say Fluke was having so much sex she could not afford the pills—clearly he has his Viagra and the birth control pill confused. So much for his brains, right?

    3. The Affordable Healthcare Act of 2010 calls for insurance companies to cover the cost of contraception. There is no provision in the AHA for the government to provide free contraception. Your radio program lied to you. You need to find a new radio station.

    4. Slut. Roundheels. Prostitute. All three are very disrespectful to women. I know this much, Gary, you often speak about women and respect. If you even hint that you condone Limbaugh’s behavior—you are no better than the lowest of the low. A hypocrite at best, un-Christian at the worst.

    By the way, God whispered in my ear this afternoon and asked me to tell you to “shut up!” Yes, he really said, “shut up!” I suggest you follow his commandment.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.

  • Gary White—

    If you have noticed, I have been leaving you alone, but I cannot listen to you another minute! I personally get very tired of your sanctimonious blabbering on all things religious. As a Christian, I now have a better understanding of the atheists’ viewpoint. But I digress.

    You are trying to join a discussion that you either have no clue on, or you do, and you want to stir the pot. You posted: “…from what I have seen so far most of the info that I have excess to only expounds on what Rush said & not much more. I did hear on the radio news a very short piece that she demands from the Pope & Obama free contraceptive because she has sex all the time, I assume she is single. If what little I have heard is true do you think that the sexually active woman who seems to boast about her promiscuity be given a free pass? I would agree that the word slut is pretty hard core. Apparently he he did rephrase his comments to round heals, maybe a more accurate but softer description.”

    Are you serious? Are you serious?

    Let me give you the facts, Einstein! Sandra Fluke, the 30 year old law student in question here, wanted to testify at the all testicle commission on women’s health issues. She was denied the opportunity, because, as a woman, she doesn’t have any testicles. And since we all know that guys believe they have two brains—one in the left sac, one in the right, they saw her as a person who would have no clue.

    There were other folks, thankfully, who figured if she was in law school, she must have some smarts. Also, having a uterus helped, too. So Sandra Fluke got to tell the listeners what she felt they needed to know about women’s health in relation to birth control.

    Fluke related a story about a friend of hers who has uterine cancer. This friend uses ‘the pill’ (hormones) as part of the treatment for her cancer. Since it is not covered by her insurance it is very costly for her. Fluke asked the assembled congress person to please make sure her friend would not be denied access to the pill because of cost. That was the extent of the testimony.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.

  • Ya know, fine, let religious organizations not cover birth control.

    Let them continue to pay for a babys birth, at about $6,000 each, then they can pay for the formula, diapers ect.

    Then they can pay for housing, utilities, food and clothing because their clients are having a baby boom, daddys $8 or $15 a hour job just won't cut it, what with having a child every year, and Lord knows, momma can't work, she's always pregnant, taking care of kids, cleaning, cooking, just trying her best to be a good husband obeying christian woman.

    Gee, if everyone does that, guess what? Maybe the white folks won't end up being the a minority on the future.


    March 2, 2012 at 6:33 p.m.

  • Tophat. If you listen to the entire speech, it says that bc pills were not allowed at any level, even with the doctors varification of the medical reasons.

    If anyone hasn't heard the entire speech, or has slow diealup, here are the addresses to full speech and full text versions.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.

  • And now the young lady has a lack of relationship with God. Time to move on.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.

  • Born2beme

    It's a personal relationship between her and God. Or maybe a lack of one. And I must disagree, it is our concern. Your other points about married folks and all, I am with you all the way.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.

  • To those that may have missed Gary's subtle point about if she is a "lady". Who would accept the premise that a woman is not a lady because they have not proved it in one individuals eyes. Look around folks, there are others that would love to paint a big red "A" on any females forehead to prove a point.

    March 2, 2012 at 6 p.m.

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    March 2, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.

  • I'm not in a position to shame anyone, and neither are you. Neither of us know the details of this young woman's life, now should we, and even if we did, it is none of our concern. It's a personal relationship between her and God.
    She wasn't only speaking for herself, but many other women that do not abuse (in your opinion) bc pills, including married women, where both the husbands and wives agree on the wife taking bc pills so they can plan the timing of their children. How is that anyone else's concern?
    You may not agree with controlling prengancy in any way and that is your choice, but again, what other people decide is none of your concern.

    March 2, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.

  • Born2beme

    What the catholic church is trying to do is force their religion onto the Americans that are not catholic. That should not be permited. I agree with you if thats the case. Never the less,
    shame on this woman if she truly lives an unclean life as she has indicated. LADY is not a term that can be applied to every female.

    March 2, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.

  • born,that is a good idea and I follow your logic but IMO this is much more than that.

    1. It's another way at chipping away at Roe v Wade (even thou it would stop unwanted pregnancies & abortions)
    2. It's a way to weaken the Affordable Health Care Act for eventual repeal in the eyes of the GOP.

    The Blunt/Rubio bill (defeated) "would have allowed not only religious groups but any employer with moral objections to opt out of the coverage requirement. And it would have allowed such employers to do so in the case of not only contraception but any health service required by the 2010 health-care law. "

    March 2, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.

  • I said it years ago, I always wondered why Medicaid would pay for birth costs but not birth control, seems backass wards to me.

    March 2, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.

  • Mike

    I am sorry you feel that way.

    . I won't make any comments to you or against you in this forum, I refuse to engage in mindless babble: Which one of us does this statement refer to? I could be corrected but your statement does not feel like nuetrual one.

    It is my opinion, that you weighed in on this subject because because you wanted to justify the antics of Rush Limbaugh. And you want to justify her antics as well. May I quote myself?
    I would agree that the word slut is pretty hard core. I dont mind being corrected, just make sure you are correctly correcting me. Dial up, if I am lyin I am flyin.
    I believe Mr Rush antics are a response to another persons over the top antics, if I truly have heard both sides accurately.
    A few more things Gary White lets end this in peaceful adult manner:
    . No emails
    . No writing on my wall I consider these statements very misleading, would you please show me where I have been guilty of these activities to support your paranoia?
    2 ships passing in the night, how beautiful, but when my ship passes by yours I just want to be sure my ship still looks the same as before.
    Best wishes GW

    March 2, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.

  • Hmm, what hurts worse, Rush losing some ad revenue or the stupid contraception for/against argument alienating a majority of 50% of the voters?

    March 2, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.

  • Gary, as a woman, your inability to see things from a different point of view, offend me. The young lady brought up many instances where she knew other women that took the pill for medical reasons other than birth control, and under the bill, those women would not be able to get the help they need because of the religious (notice I didn't capitalize it this time) zealots.
    The young lady did not deserve to be called a slut and prostitude just because she had "many" reasons that the pill should be allowed to be in public insurance policies.
    What the catholic church is trying to do is force their religion onto the Americans that are not catholic. that is not allowed.
    Basically, they have three choices. Stop taking public funds and become totally a private non-profit, get out of the insurance business entirely, or just hire Catholics.
    Actually, this could be solved quite easily. WalMart, Walgreens, and some other drug stores could put the BC pills into their "affordable drug" program. I don't think that most women would mind paying a few dollars per prescription per month.

    March 2, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.

  • How brilliant, Sleep Train Mattress Centers and Quicken pull their ads for moral reasons...what's good for the goose is good for the gander!

    March 2, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.

  • We are not alone

    "In the wake of criticism, Sleep Train Mattress Centers is pulling its ads from the radio show. “Thank you for your concern. We are currently pulling all our ads with Rush Limbaugh,” the company tweeted.
    Sleep Number beds also announced that it is pulling ads from the program. “Recent comments by Rush Limbaugh do not align w/our values, so we made decision to immediately suspend all advertising on that program,” an employee of the company tweeted. Quicken Loans later on Friday followed suit, pulling ads over Limbaugh’s “inflammatory comments.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.

  • vet43

    Rick Santorum can't complete the deal:

    ""He's being absurd, but that's you know, an entertainer can be absurd," Santorum told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room."

    "He's in a very different business than I am."

    Santorum stopped short of actually denouncing Limbaugh, who called Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" for asking that employers and schools include contraception coverage in their health plans. Instead, Santorum criticized the president for his birth control policy.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.

  • Gary,

    Not sure where you connected someone walking down the street naked and Mr. Limbaugh's horrendous rant. If you are taking everything the Rush says at face value there is no room for reason in a discussion with you about what a insult is or isn't. Let's test Mr. Limbaugh's behavior.

    First you pick out some young lady out of a crowd. You call her a "Slut" and a "prostitute" in front of a massive audience. Then you explain your comments to her Father, Brother, Mother or anyone close to her. Do you think they MIGHT see something wrong with calling her names?

    I am not sure what is more offensive. What that disturbed radio jock said or the people that find no harm in his vile over the air cancer.

    And Yes, I find Mr. Limbaugh's comments beyond any measure of common decency and are "insults".

    March 2, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.

  • A few more things Gary White lets end this in peaceful adult manner:
    . No emails
    . No writing on my wall
    . My avatar is not that hard to ignore
    . I won't make any comments to you or against you in this forum

    Consider us "Like two ships passing in the night."

    March 2, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.

  • Gary

    I refuse to engage in mindless babble:I'm not falling for that dial-up internet excuse.I've seen where you spend a lot of time posting ,which takes just as much time as it does to research..I wasn't born yesterday and this is certainly not my first rodeo.

    It is my opinion, that you weighed in on this subject because because you wanted to justify the antics of Rush Limbaugh. You also wanted to add-in your preconceived self righteous opinion.

    I'm sure it won't be difficult for you to take this up with someone else...I've already wasted 3 or 4 minutes of time and I'll never get them back.

    You have a good day and I'll never make that MISTAKE again.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.

  • Mike

    Thanks, all I have is dial up internet.And from what I have seen so far most of the info that I have excess to only expounds on what Rush said & not much more. I did hear on the radio news a very short piece that she demands from the Pope & Obama free contraceptive because she has sex all the time, I assume she is single. If what little I have heard is true do you think that the sexually active woman who seems to boast about her promiscuity be given a free pass? I would agree that the word slut is pretty hard core. Apparently he he did rephrase his comments to round heals, maybe a more accurate but softer description.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.

  • "every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty"- John D.Rockefeller Jr

    March 2, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.

  • Mike

    college student trying to do her civic duty. Please explain.

    March 2, 2012 at 3 p.m.

  • I apologize for interceding vet43 but hopefully I can make my point and move on.

    Mr. Gary White:
    You posted "Why did Mr Limbaugh say what he said? I am not sure of all the facts here. I want to hear both sides of the story, so maybe you can help."

    If there any particular reason you came on a public forum totally unprepared but left an analogy that had nothing to do with the subject at hand? I don't believe you're in a habit of letting other posters do all the research.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.

  • vet43

    The young lady Rush verbally assaulted may have a slander suit handed to her on a silver platter. She is a Georgetown University law student, so if she chooses, getting a lawyer to take up her case wouldn't be difficult. That's what it's going to take. Someone who calls women who don't have his viewpoint, feminazis, will continue to be offensive as humanly possible because Clear Channel Communications doesn't care as long as the advertising money keeps coming in...Standards went out the window ages ago. You would think the FCC would object using the air waves to purposely humiliate a college student trying to do her civic duty. President Obama called her and said her parents will be proud of her..That was contrary to what Rush said, when he said that her parents will be embarrassed that she testified before congress.

    I am happy that John Boehner and a few republicans said Rush Limbaugh's remarks were way over the top...

    March 2, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

  • Mr Williams

    I am sorry, I meant the question for Vet43.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.

  • Writein

    If you saw someone walking down the street completely naked. Would it be considered a personal attack & insult if you approached them and informed them that they have no clothes on & should get off the streets?

    Why did Mr Limbaugh say what he said? I am not sure of all the facts here. I want to hear both sides of the story, so maybe you can help.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.

  • Mike,

    Been out of pocket and just saw the Rush Limbaugh video. I had to watch it several times to prove to myself a full grown adult male would make such asinine statements. As I dug further I found people not only supporting him but defending his statements. As a man I am very embarrassed that anyone would go on a rant like this against a innocent young lady to make a few dollars.

    As far as the 1st Amendment I am not sure it meets this test. He called a young woman, by name a slut and a prostitute. Not sure about the law but slander or liable seems to be involved somewhere.

    He may want to avoid the young ladies male kinfolk for awhile.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.

  • Writein

    I think I understand your concept because we have discussed this matter before. You want to bring inexperienced people and put them in positions where one cabinet position viewpoint would offset the other, hoping they would arrive at a general consensus. In an ideal world that might actually work but wait, isn't that what the GOP did? They got the Tea Party and endless gridlock.

    I don't know for fact but I think you bought into the Ronald Reagan idea that government is always evil and bad. I think high level positions that will have an immediate impact on our National Security, should have competent, experienced people at the helm, regardless of political affiliation. It’s not usually guided by ideology.

    Let's take your proposal to the private sector to compare, since private sector and public employees are both human beings... How long do you think Academy would've lasted if they brought in people who had no experience in retail sales, couldn't operate a cash register or had never worked with the general public? Academy may have had some inexperienced people but they were taught by people who knew the ropes. I understand you gotta cut the cord to crony capitalism but I don't think you can just use a "cold turkey" approach.

    I don't exactly know the meaning of your labels because I don't think we have hippies anymore, and only 21% of people call themselves liberals, most call themselves progressives these days but leaving that aside, how would you know their ideology? You would bring them in from the streets, so they don't have a voting pattern but perhaps you could have a standardized test. You would be surprised how many people don't identify with any label.

    Your idea of having a Secretary of Education that is anti- teacher union would alienate many of the 1.5 million teachers they represent. I think a better approach would be is to persuade teacher's union to make concessions as they did in Wisconsin..Governor Walker tried to play hardball and now he's up for recall.

    I don't know of anyone who is anti-business as opposed to (pro-business) unless you think businesses do not to be regulated.

    I think I understand the bigger picture you were painting but you know what they say about assuming...:-)

    March 2, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.

  • You know there is a cure to this. That is a Presidential administration that is mixed ideology and the entire cabinet of outsiders, from Sec of State down to UN Rep. Have every cabinet member who never been in Washington or in Wall Street. What I like to see is a Sec of Education that is Anti-teacher unions with a liberal Sec of Health. A Rich pro-Oil Sec of Energy with a Green Hippie EPA Director. A Moderate Sec of Treasury that carefully weights concerns a pro-business Sec of Commerce and a pro-labor Sec of Labor.

    March 1, 2012 at 8:45 p.m.

  • Come on,how far is this going?

    Rush Limbaugh calls the Georgetown U. student a "slut" for testifying in a congressional hearing for contraception....He said "we" I assume he talking for the right wing,wanted to be paid for free birth control pills...He actually said the students need to tape it and put it on YouTube ..How sick.

    Boycott his advertisers....Today 75 Dems sent a letter to John Boehner to denounce the stupidity....Think Boehner will act?

    And that's not even mentioning the fed judge's racist email about President Obama.

    March 1, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.

  • John

    It's been a long time between discussions.

    I remember you being a strong Hillary supporter in the 2008 election but when Obama was nominated you've been pretty much even keel on criticism and praise for both parties.

    I pretty much agree with your assessment on the Republican Party but I saw something the other day that outlined the republican strategy as it was delivered to Fox News... They're supposed to concentrate on three issues: 1. The debt 2. High unemployment 3. Gasoline prices. If you see the presidential candidate(s) talking about social issues in September; it means their strategy is to hold on to the base, the house and work on gains in the senate.

    I don't disagree that big oil are big donors to the Republican Party but I think it's more for tax incentives and favorable environmental regulations and this is my reason. We are in a global oil market that consumes ~ 800,000,000 barrels of oil each day and there's only about 5% margin in reserve. There's not a lot a room to play with, so speculators on Wall Street are really the reason for oil prices being what they are. I also disagree that the voters will blame the GOP if gasoline prices are high in October. They usually blame the incumbent president, even though there's not much he can do about it. Truth is, we're producing more than ever and importing and consuming less, so you would think the price of oil would be lower. You're an old veteran blogger, so you know we've been arguing about this for years. We could drill in every inch of the United States but we only have a certain amount of refining capacity, and if we built more refineries; it would only lower the price at pump by 3¢...OPEC will not sit idly by, they will saturate the market with cheap oil. Not it is true that in the Dodd-Frank there are measures to regulate the speculators but the GOP is fighting tooth and nail to repeal those laws.

    March 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.

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    March 1, 2012 at 1:47 a.m.

  • Rick Santorum might win this coming Saturday's Washington caucus but he really needs to win Ohio in next week's Super Tuesday because the next10 states will have 437 delegates.

    Newt Gingrich might find some life because he is the favorite to win his home state of Georgia, he might also win Tennessee and Oklahoma.
    Mitt Romney is favored to win Idaho, Massachusetts, Vermont and Virginia.

    Could Ron Paul win his first state? If he does,it will likely be Alaska or North Dakota.

    Olympia Snowe's resignation yesterday gave new life to the Democratic party because they were going to have to defend 23 senate seats compared to the GOP only having to defend 10 seats. A lot's happened since , at first the GOP had a 60% chance of taking the senate but now it's down to 40%, not on Olympia's resignation but the fact that she resigned because of the bickering and the attitude of" my way or the highway." She was in line to chair an important committee but instead she left a door open for a democrat to win her seat in Maine.

    February 29, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

  • Now Romney retakes his frontrunner status to Super Tuesday and perhaps puts the establishment GOP at ease.

    February 28, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.

  • That's so true;I sure you remember the first bailout document presented by Hank Paulson, which basically said,give us the money with no strings attached and BTW you can't hold us accountable or take us to court...Look it up.

    February 28, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.

  • What's funny to me about the GM & Chrysler bailouts was all the gnashing of the teeth about the administration dumping the CEO and all the "free market" impediments (read concessions) that followed. If only similar requirements has been applied to the banks....the notion that too much bank regulation inhibits current growth suggests that the regulators somehow caused the bank failures to my mind.

    I just can't see anyway that the protracted GOP primaries is going to help the final GOP candidate. The increasingly extreme rhetoric to appeal to the base can only estrange the moderates in the general election.

    February 28, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.

  • Maine Republican Sen.Olympia Snowe will not seek a fourth term,leaving the GOP with only two senators from the northeast...That's too bad she was always willing to compromise or t least listen to the opposition.

    February 28, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.