• I disagree that democrats have lost the war because the number two item in the democratic platform is "Provide high quality affordable health care."..

    I also disagree with your analogy for the following reasons:

    1. Health care is a federal issue.. A sonogram is not...One is a social issue the other an economic one..One only involved women seeking abortions,the other involved everyone.
    2. The 2008 democratic presidential campaign was about Iraq and health care and those two issues dominated the debates. Everything was transparent and I don't think one single republican state legislator ran on a campaign of passing sonogram laws....69 million people elected Obama and many knew and approved of his intentions to tackle heaalth care.
    3. In the initial stages, prominent republicans were involved in several committees try to pass health care reform, then the well coordinated town hall meeting came up with chants of " government run health care and death panels." ... That left the democrats the option of dropping what they started and stood for ,or going at it alone and passing the monumental framework that with improvements could be the first step health care reform. Social and Medicare were not easy to pass and we're still making improvements.
    4. I gather you are disappointed because it didn't have republican support but if the republicans maintain the house, regain the senate, and win the presidency, guess what they will do?If the SCOTUS dismantles some parts of the ACA, the republicans will repeal the rest and replace it with Health Saving Accounts.
    5. It doesn't take a genius to know what the republicans will do. Representative Paul Ryan's budget plan of privatizing Medicare, balancing the budget on the poor and giving Medicade block grants to the states where they will use it to balance their budget, should tell you everything you need to know...

    March 22, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.

  • Part 1 of 2

    Go to the link because I don't have time to reformat the chart to make it readable.

    I agree that different countries have different demands but the show was only 1 hour long and it wasn't meant to compare the United States to other countries. I thought it was just about reporting that healthcare cost is a worldwide problem and how other countries have tackled theirs.

    Prior to discussing Switzerland, he said it was a business friendly conservative country that had had trouble passing the individual mandate and going with a single insurance company,issues contrary to conservative beliefs but not unconstitutional in that country. Their military budget had no reflection on health care costs to GDP.
    Taiwan's results after taking the steps to lower their very high obesity and hypertension rate is what got them that rating. Consider this:
    1906 1998 2009
    Life Expectancy M: 39 years; F: 43 years M: 72 years; F: 78 years M: 75 years; F: 81 years
    Infant Mortality 84.1 per 1,000 live births 6.14 per 1,000 live births 5.35 per 1,000 live births
    Maternal Mortality 7.6 per 1,000 live births 0.9 per 1,000 live births

    I don't see where you are going with tuition rates but I imagine it could be a smart part of the problem but as said at the start of this blog,I've noticed insurance premiums increases for the last 10 years.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.

  • gansoblanco

    You’re right, if the insurance companies raise their premiums it's the government fault and the insurance companies and their lobbyist laugh all the way to the bank.

    They don't want to overtax the corporations, so they in can have that competitive edge but it's OK if insurance companies keep raising their premiums and overburden them with health care costs. This morning's business reports stated that small businesses are continuing to drop their health insurance and large companies are making their employees share more of the burden. Great analysis, while members of Congress were arguing health care, corporations in the United States were moving their company to Canada.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.

  • Looks like the verdicts in Mike: people trust insurance companies with their health care. Well they should...that insurance man will take real good care of you.:D

    Note the careful arguments offered explaining how U.S. companies can compete with government provided subsidies that other countries offer. It's equal parts "nobody wants it" and "you're delusional".

    I guess if you say it loud enough you don't hear Mr. Perot's large sucking sound of jobs going away from our borders.

    While the American people may still not have figured out why the jobs are going overseas the American corporations have. Free government health care over seas keeps production cost down and allows American production prices to be undercut.

    Broke, uninsured, and free....that's us.

    March 21, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.

  • Mike.

    I have a problem with Fareed Zakaia’s documentary. The show never focuses on why this system or that system worked in a specific region of the world and that is cultural demands.

    Switzerland may have a similar Health Care Law, but they do not have a huge military budget and X amount of international and domestic problems as we do. So they can afford to have such a Health Care plan. Taiwan’s culture and diet is not as diverse, so calling them the best Health Care in the world is bit more than I could chew. However I do like the part about a group going out and helping the poor and sick get Health Care.

    The problem in American is the cost of educating Doctors and nurses. Some of the high tuition cost “helps” doctors become less concerned about their patients.

    You said that the Democrats lost the message war, no the Democrats lost the war period. Democrats in Washington overstep and overreach their main reason they were elected. (Local Conservatives before y’all get all happy, y’all have already overstep and overreach as well. Sonograms anyone?) They were elected over economics and foreign policy.

    March 21, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.

  • Barry

    I keep hearing that people have come from all over the world for medical treatment but are you sure that's true today.Just asking. We have the latest in technology(and we pay dearly for it) and we do have some great physicians. Perhaps you should see what they pay the doctors at the Mayo and in the Cleveland clinic. It's a fee for Service System that we should've modeled because it's which means that the provider plays a block grant for a heart attack etc and the hospital administrator divvies it up. Doctors work from 8 to 5, no weekends, and they don't have to worry about getting sued. They won't be the richest people in the profession but they will be doing the work they love. The doctors you are describing will not stay as a practitioner long because they will move on to a specialty(where the big bucks or) like so many are today....
    The Affordable Care Act is a private insurance, private doctors, and private sector hospital system ,contrary to what some think.

    March 21, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.

  • I didn't see an alternative just the normal complaints...I didn't condone or praise the health care systems of other countries; that was supposed to be a conversation starter... I can hear the complaints if everyone were required to use a smart card as Taiwan does, so we could reconcile all the invoices and bills in real time. I could hear all the complaints if we were to go to a single private insurance company in a Medicare for all program because that would be picking winners and losers. I also know that health care reform will not be easy because we don't want to in come to grips with the facts that we're an aging and obese country. We won't do anything about the latter because of the freedom issue.

    We still have people that think we have the best health care in the world but what we have is an expensive health care industry where we don't get the best bang for the buck.

    The Affordable Care Act had input from professionals in all 50 states, and the answers don't come from medical professionals ,they should come from all sources because this is supposed to be an economic issue not a political one.

    born2Bme, I agree in concept of what you're saying but we're not a country that's gonna let people die, so they will continue to use the emergency room and taxpayers will average about $1000 more a year in premiums.... About 48,000 people die every year because they were not diagnosed with their illness in time.

    March 21, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.

  • It should have been, if healthcare remains as it was before "Obamacare".

    March 21, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.

  • Contrary to what people believe, most doctor's aren't just in it for the money. They have to have the desire to help people, or they wouldn't last long in the profession.
    If healthcare remains where it is today, it becomes something that the have's are able to obtain, and the have-nots either suck off of everyone else's insurance companies and local taxpayers, or they suck off of the government, which is basically all our tax money. Either that, or they stay home and die.
    Which way does everyone want it? Obamacare, as everyone seems to want to call it, was an attempt to make everyone accountable for their own healthcare in some way. Seems that "the majority" of the people dont' want that. Odd, very odd.

    March 21, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.

  • If ObamaCare survives...I believe we will see a considerable reduction in the quality of care, not to mention a drop in the number of young people entering medical school. I mean why would they want to enter a profession that consumes so much of their time, yet will no longer reap the monetary rewards that have traditionally gone with it. The government will dictate not only how much they can charge for their services but also the services that can be rendered. For a long time, people from all over the world have been coming to the US for medical treatment. The reason is simple...we have consistently had the best medical professionals in the world. Expensive yes...but the best! An old adage fits pay for what you get.

    March 21, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.

  • The longer Obamacare is in effect, the more obvious it is becoming that all the promises we were given were nothing more than a pack of lies. THAT is why an increasingly large majority of people in this country want to see it repealed. If you like your current coverage, you can keep it? No, you cannot. It will "only" cost $800+ billion over ten years? No, it will cost in excess of $1.7 TRILLION, more than double the original mendacious estimate. And don't forget to ask ex-Rep. Bart Stupak how he now likes the promise of an Executive Order banning the coverage of abortion, the promise that was the basis for his vote in favor of socialized medicine.

    Do you even read the ridiculous stuff you post? In lauding Taiwan's "best healthcare system in the world", you find a doctor seeing 200 patients per day to be praiseworthy. Has it occurred to you that means the doctor is spending between two and three MINUTES PER PATIENT? If that is your idea of quality healthcare, you are so divorced from reality as to be delusional. I will gladly trade that system for one that requires me to fork over $100 but assures me of a doctor who will take the time to render the care I need.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.

  • The Affordable Healthcare Act, it has become totally hilarious how some folks continue to make excuses for this law of the land legislation, when there was an over whelming majority of Americans did not want this crap. Nancy Pelosi famous last words of a fool, “we have to pass this bill to see what is in it…” The President, your healthcare insurance cost will go down, but heck no, it has gone up. CBO now makes claims this legislation will now exceed 1.7 trillion. The head of HHS made a rule they will deduct $1 a month from your insurance premiums to pay for abortions, totally against my objections and what I believe in. This federal healthcare mandate which is requiring each and every American to have insurance or be fined, and requiring Americans to engage into commerce is WRONG.

    Some have said here in this forum, in 6 months or a year no one would remember the healthcare legislation, but now it’s in the halls of the Supreme Court. There is still a majority of Americans that does not want this law. Why all the excuses, just admit it, the dang democrats made a mistake on this one!

    March 20, 2012 at 5 p.m.