Letters to the editor

Editor, the Advocate:

On June 19th a good number of Victorians joined a march on Navarro, organized under the BLM banner, to show their support for our Black population after the senseless death of George Floyd. A death that was abhorrent to all of us. Joining this march was an act of compassion, support and inclusion by these people and is best commended as an “American Act in America” where we believe that in fact, “All Lives Matter.”

The issue, I believe, is that these people were lied to with the concept of BLM because it is not what was presented. If you go to the BLM website and What We Believe mission statement, you will find that their goal is to “disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirements by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another.”

They also “foster a queer-affirming network.” Bluntly, they are anti American family. In a 2015 interview Patrisse Cullose stated that “myself and Alicia (Garza) in particular, are trained organizers. We are trained Marxist.” They are two of the three founders of BLM.

The Aug. 15, 2020 Chicago Tribune reported that “Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, supports looting as a reparation.” In a TV interview she said “I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats. This is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these stores have insurance.” This was when they looted the Magnificent Mile on Aug. 10, 2020, reportedly with U-haul trailers. I guess they looted the Tesla Showroom so they could “eat” the cars.

I believe that the riots and looting across this country are not a “peaceful group of protesters” trying to overcome injustices as the “Fake News” reports, but anarchist and looters trying to destroy our country all under the BLM banner.

When the father of a 6-year-old, killed in the gun violence in Chicago, asked where the BLM was, he was met with silence as have all the victims of shootings. To me, this shows that BLM doesn’t care for the Black community but for power, money and the destruction of our country as we know it.

Quincy Thompson, Victoria

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Willie Ellis

We support “Black Lives Matter” today because we do not plan to go back to a time when black lives di not matter.

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Mike Gomez

Mary Ann, I am an unabashed supporter of BLM and I don’t accept your description of them.

The right since Joe McCarthy has been scared of socialism, Marxism, Muslims, etc. even though we are capitalists through and through. I am not that scared.

It wasn’t that long ago they were scared of the Russians but now they have embraced them.

Whitesplaning means you are out of your elements and shouldn’t be discussing it as some sort of expert until you have taken one step in their shoes. That’s why I started my response with a disclaimer. I am not an expert on BLM matters.

The rest of your comments are way over my head. I don’t concern myself with the “isms.” .....Stay safe

Mary Ann Wenske

Mike, something happen when I copied and pasted my answer to your post, so I will retype it here with some changes so parts aren't chopped off.

I don't understand how you can be an unabashed support of a group that brings violence and looting across the country. My descriptions, as well as the letter writer's descriptions are on the whole from the mouths of the founders themselves.

Eight years after the forming of BLM, we see violence and looting proclaimed as reparations: "I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike store because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparation. Anything they want to take. take it. because these businesses have insurance. (Chicago Tribune quote of BLM leader in Chicago)

MLK might have been called a Marxist by the right, but he didn't declare himself as a "trained Marxist" as Patrisse Cullors said of herself and at least one other BLM founder.

Can you name a single Marxist country in existence today that doesn't use violence and quashing of liberties to achieve its Marxist goals?

As for whitesplaining, wow. Would you dare use "blacksplaining" to talk down to others? In the least its in poor taste, and I don't care if it's used in the culture today.

I know well the history of BLM, but more importantly, I know the current events of BLM, and they are not pretty.

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Mary Ann Wenske

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Your grandest tale is that is just doesn't matter if a group is founded by Marxists. Are you kidding me? Trained Marxists use Marxist tactics, which include okaying violence to achieve and end. However, if anyone who tilts the least bit right would have any background with Nazism, you would certainly have a different narrative. And yes, I do use the Nazis, who killed millions as did the Marxist-based Communists regimes of Joseph Stalin in Russian, Chairman Mao in China, Pol Pot in Cambodia,and Fidel Castro of Cuba, etc. Their collective Marxist-based death squads and policies are responsible for well over 100 million deaths.

You say you are into "isms," while proclaiming your support of a Marxist group.

Let's look at an example of what trained Marxists have achieved. Stalin had a Five Year Economic Plan in the 1920s into the eary 30s that would "modernize" Russia. But according to Wikipedia, "The Soviet Union entered a series of five-year plans which began in 1928 under the rule of Stalin. The resistance to Stalin's collectivization policies led to the intentional genocidal famine in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, as well as other areas."

So please tell me how declaring that one is a trained Marxist today means nothing, when Marxist policies have brought such HUGE death tolls? Let's modernize the farms, at the expense of starving millions of citizens off of their privately owned land to form collective farms that the govt. would own. Sure, it worked in the long run for a while, but the violence and death toll was utterly horrendous.

For someone who says he doesn't concern himself with isms, you are quite in bed with ol' Marx there. I will stay safe. Thank you- and you as well.

Mike Gomez

Mary Ann....sticks and stones

Quincy Thompson

Mr. Gomez, several points.

1. There are none so blind as those who will not see is an old saying that comes to mind. May I suggest that you get off "Fake News" and go to Fox or NEWSMAX to get a real look at what is going on today. The people who were trying to burn down the Federal Courthouse in Portland were, according to local reports, paid Antifa personnel who were put up in the local hotels. How does that help the Black community?

2. You say that you are not into the "isms" yet you make proclamations about them. Mary Ann is completely correct in everything that she has written and yet the left continues to try and force that type of government on us today. The latest example of what it will get you is Venezuela where a capitalist system was replaced with socialism and the economy has collapsed. Reports are that up to 1/3 of their population has left the country, there is little food available and the government won't allow outside humanitarian help because it would be an admission of failure. They will starve their people rather than admit failure! That is what Mary was talking about.

3. Capitalism has proven to be the greatest equalizer and method of pulling populations out of poverty that the world has seen! Before the "China Virus" shut us down the unemployment numbers of all minority groups were at all time record lows and we had just gotten started. In every country that I know of where capitalism was introduced the economies improved and the population fared much better. You say that you are "capitalist through and through" and "not that scared" yet you are probably going to vote for a Democratic party that is bent on replacing it with Socialism. Look at the ideas and programs of AOC and Bernie Sanders and you will get the truth. By the way AOC nominated Bernie NOT Joe for President!

4. Out of civility I will not address other portions of your writings but point out that you know nothing of me or my history.

5. BLM protesters in Portland are gathering outside of the homes of whites and demanding that they leave their homes and give them to blacks in reparations I assume. If they come to your house are you going to leave and give them your house since you are "an unabashed supporter of BLM"?

Have a Blessed Day and be safe.

Glenn Wilson

Mike -- "Mary Ann, I am an unabashed supporter of BLM and I don’t accept your description of them." -- Why not? Her description, and that of the writer of the letter, are well documented. Confirmation bias in reverse or just "I am not an expert on BLM matters."?

Steve Fiedler

Thank you mary ann wenske for such a thorough and factual report on blm. For the reader who does not accept your description, that is a simple denial of truth. Ms. Wenske’s quotes are factual. As I write this I view actual photos and videos of violent riots in Portland, one image in particular from The Hill, a big bold yellow blm sign being waved amid the smoke and fire. blm is not bashful about claiming involvement and even initiating these riots. Another advocate reader has commented “mad, hungry, scared people just might do stupid things in desperation.” That is sugarcoating blm looting that goes way beyond stealing some food from a grocery store. That is calling a planned, organized, malicious, lawless event, a riot, a “stupid thing” that they “just might do”. They have rioted in portland 17 times in the past 80 nights. Despite Ms wenske’s thoroughness here’s a bit more truth about blm. Just because Politifact chooses to call blm a “movement” it is way more than a movement. And what’s this nonsense about “cherry picking”? It is “fact picking” when you go to a source for information and quote it. From blm’s website you will learn in their own words blm is “a global organization”; an organization with “chapters”. Blm is a business, selling shirts, bags, stickers and cups designed to “reflect the unique brand of the BLM Global Network.” blm is incorporated as Black Lives Matter Inc. with a federal tax i.d.

And here is one of the many great divides among Americans today – those who call a riotous burning of entire city blocks anarchy, a lawless criminal act, and those who forgive it as acceptable. An acceptable result of anger and frustration or just a stupid thing that people do. Also the group who gives such anarchy tacit approval by not condemning it.

Rick Dockery

Completely correct.

Mike Gomez

Lol... whitesplaining.... Put as much effort into QAnon ,They have white house press credentials

Mary Ann Wenske

Quoting Blacklivesmatter.com twice to demonstrate their problematic tenets, quoting the exact words of a BLM founder, and quoting the words of the BLM leader in a major city is "whitesplaining"? Fabulous letter, he's demonstrating just what Black Lives Matters stands for and how many have been deceived. Thank you for writing!

Glen or Janice Ullman

I thought the same thing Mike. I would say the inciter in chief has earned and deserved every protest he has seen for the last four years. As for the looting, mad, hungry, scared people just might do stupid things in desperation. Obama is right, Trump just can’t figure it out, along with a few others....Glen

Rick Dockery

Mad, hungry, scared people. Interesting. Didn’t know Gucci had groceries. I guess new Nike’s make you feel better. Most of these shootings happened under Obama. He didn’t stop it. Oh well, I guess if you’re mad, have at it.

Mike Gomez

I’m not a BLM expert nor do I pretend to be just because I cherry-picked items off their website.

I don’t think my fellow Victorians were duped into marching; I think they were in unison in being tired of seeing unarmed black men dying in police custody.

The original group started advocating for social justice after the injustice Trayvon Martin received. Eight years later, they are still marching and demanding justice.

I remember MLK was also called a Marxist by the right, so I’m aware of the recent BLM attacks made by Rudy Giuliani Carson, Mark Levin, and PragerU.

There is a reason I called it whitesplaining. BLM is a movement where 15-26 million people approved and marched with them (not counting marches abroad) in protest over police brutality. If you don’t know the history of BLM and try to pigeonhole into something you don’t like, that’s whitesplaining.

According to PolitiFact “Black Lives Matter “is not an organization but a fluid movement: it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was liberal, Marxist, socialists or capitalist.”

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

Mary Ann Wenske

Mike, you might not be a supporter of BLM, but you certainly can promote their principles. Eight years later after the forming of BLM, we see violence and looting proclaimed as reparations: “I don’t care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance.” https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

MLK might have been called a Marxist, but he never declared himself a “trained Marxist” as Patrisse Cullors said of herself and at least one other founding member.

Can you name a single Marxist country in existence today that doesn’t use violence and quashing of liberties to control its people?

As for whitesplaining- wow. Would you dare use “blacksplaining” to talk down to others? In the least it’s poor taste, and I don’t care if it’s used in the culture today.

I know well the history of BLM, but more importantly, I read every week about the amazing comments its leaders make throughout the country. Here’s one the letter writer left out:

Your grandest tale is that is just doesn’t matter if the the movement is founded by Marxists. Are you kidding me? Trained Marxists use Marxist tactics, which include violence. If anyone who tilts conservative would have any background with Nazism, you would have a different narrative. And yes, I do use the Nazis, who killed millions, as did the Marxist-based Communist regimes of Joseph Stalin in Russia, Chairman Mao in China, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, etc. Their collective Marxist-based death squads are responsible for well over 100 million deaths.

Let’s look at what one trained Marxist achieved: Stalin had a Five Year Economic Plan in the 1920s and 30s that would “modernize” the country. But according to Wikipedia: “The Soviet Union entered a series of five-year plans which began in 1928 under the rule of Joseph Stalin. ... The resistance to Stalin's collectivization policies led to the intentional genocidal famine in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan as well as areas of the Northern Caucasus.”

So tell me how declaring that you’re a trained Marxist should mean nothing today? Marxist policy called for modernizing the farms, at the expense of starving millions of citizens off of their privately held property to form collective farms that the govt. owned. Sure, it worked in the long run for a while, but the violence and death toll was utterly horrendous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20Union%20entered%20a,the%20rule%20of%20Joseph%20Stalin.&text=The%20resistance%20to%20Stalin's%20collectivization,areas%20of%20the%20Northern%20Caucasus.

Steve Fiedler

thank you mr thompson for the truth in knowing the destruction blm intends and the evil they practice. know them for what they are and for what they do. with impunity from main stream media and the political left.

Ray Tamayo

finally someone with a clear vison of what BLM really stands for.

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